July 10th, 2009
10:30 PM ET

Her only crime was the veil

Octavia Nasr
AC360° Contributor
CNN Senior Mideast Affairs Editor

Marwa is already dubbed the “Hijab Martyr.” Many believe she was murdered because she’s Muslim and wears her religion on her head in a Hijab, the Muslim head cover. Her heinous cold-blooded murder in a Germany courtroom has sent shockwaves across the Middle East and now it is spreading across the world.

Marwa was 31 and three months pregnant, when she appeared at a Dresden courtroom to testify against a man who had already been convicted of verbally attacking her by calling her a “terrorist” at a playground with her 3-year-old son. Instead of justice, Marwa and her family were met by a tragic fate.

On July 1st, in the Dresden courtroom, the same man identified only as Alex M. stabbed her 18 times in front of her son and husband. As her husband tried to defend her, he got his share of the stabbing and he was shot by a police officer who mistook him for the assailant. Marwa later died in the hospital. Her husband is still in critical condition.

Two Egyptian researchers at Dresden University, Mohammed Ahmed Khalif and Magdi Khalil, told CNN that on that fateful day, their trust in Germany was shattered.

"We have fear about our family here, about our children” said Khalif. He said he is disappointed by what he believes is a muted response by the German public and its politicians.

Khalil agrees with Khalif. He adds that some people in Germany could possibly harbor an anti-Muslim sentiment. He suggested twisting this around to see how people would react to the same story. “What do you think if we have an Egyptian guy who kills a German woman in a court? What do you think would happen,” he asked.

Germany’s government spokesperson Thomas Steg stressed that, “In Germany we cannot tolerate, right wing extremism, hatred of foreigners nor Islamophobia."

For many in Egypt and across the Middle East, this response came late and wasn’t enough.

Egyptians mourned the death of Marwa with shock and outrage. As it is customary in the Middle East when someone dies young, the 31-year-old pregnant mother was buried in a procession fit for a bride, while across the nation people continue to take to the streets in sympathy.

Underneath the sadness of mourning, anger is brewing at what people in the Middle East call a hate crime. They are moved by news reports of how Marwa died.

Many have taken to the streets, waving banners that call her stabbing death a hate crime and that it’s racially motivated. They say Marwa was killed because she's Muslim and wore the Muslim headscarf.

When they felt their calls for justice were going unnoticed, Egyptians along with other Arabs and supporters from around the world, took to the Internet, which has become the voice for the voiceless in the Middle East region.

On Twitter, they asked for sympathizers to spread the message that a life was lost and they want the world to pay attention.

They accused the media of failing to highlight the murder.

They criticized Europe in general and Germany in particular for becoming increasingly extreme towards minorities, especially Muslims.

And on Facebook, they asked for justice; calling for the harshest possible sentence for the assailant and an apology from Germany. They created pages where people can pay homage to a woman who has now become known simply as the "Martyr of the Hijab."

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soundoff (274 Responses)
  1. TwoCents

    Heck Germany is such a racist country but they keep coming. Once here, they take social benefits, demand more mosques, more rights, etc. but refused to let their children participate in normal school activities like swimming lessons or excursions or God forbid date one non-Muslim/white German.

    Where are the fears and public outrage from the Muslims in Germany when a Muslim father and his son stabbed their daughter/sister to death for not behaving herself like a proper Muslim in Germany?

    July 11, 2009 at 4:25 am |
  2. fahad

    Most people have been killed because of nationalism, domocracy, communism, ethnicity, skin color etc

    Religion would rank at the lowest level in terms of the number of people killed. Even now i can count the victims of islamic terrorism on my fingers but the deaths caused by the american army in the name of democracy are in the hundreds of thousands. Hitler, Soviet Russia, Chinese communist etc are other examples.

    Religion has mostly been a unifiying force throughout history which has transcended ethnic and national boundaries. There are extremists but they are a minority, most religions have a very tolerant outlook.

    July 11, 2009 at 4:22 am |
  3. Tess

    An earlier coverage of this story said the German male was sitting on a swing in the park and the woman approached him and asked him to move so her son could swing. He called her a "b****", terrorist, and islamist, so she sued him. In the US, it might be in poor taste to call someone a terrorist, but it is not a crime, hate crime or otherwise. It seems ridiculous that she would take him to court for calling her names. It is certainly not her fault that she was murdered, but foreigners should firstly not demand of citizens to give up their seat, even if it is a swing at a park, and secondly, should not sue for being called names. That the guy went crazy in the courtroom and attacked her is tragic for all concerned.

    July 11, 2009 at 4:19 am |
  4. X'ad

    Ray is just another racist from the racist capitol of America. He has an opinion and zero credibility. He is comfortable with his hate so ignore him.

    July 11, 2009 at 4:15 am |
  5. cindy Appleton

    PEOPLE, forget the labels...... muslim, jew, christian......she was a woman, with a child inside her..... murdered. period. where is the empathy for that alone?? all of you casting stones.......came from a woman......would you have wanted that for your mother?? simple question – simple answer.

    July 11, 2009 at 4:13 am |
  6. Will

    Perhaps all of the people who take sides should show some pause for a moment. I have seen people that say that the muslim world did not cry out on 9/11, I do remember even Iran sent its best wishes and condolences. And we have no diplomatic contact with these people. On a social level this would mean people not even on speaking terms.
    Secondly, there are people in the American/European world that wrongly hate all muslims for the act of fundamentalists. On the opposite side of the coin, theres suicide bombers and terrorists that hate America and the Western world for the acts of a few.
    Perhaps our best course of action would be to join forces to rid the world of people with extreme views in general.

    July 11, 2009 at 4:08 am |
  7. Voice of Reason

    Many people died on July 1st. Why do we focus on this one? Why not focus on fallen soldiers who are fighting to keep a new democracy free? Why not focus on the Veterans of WWII or Viet-Nam who are passing largly unsung into the next life? Marwa's death is a tragedy, but not any more so than my grandfather who died the same day.

    July 11, 2009 at 3:57 am |
  8. daniel

    Ray from Jackson, Miss., there are no words to capture the shrieking, immemorial stupidity of your comments, which show in awful terms a mind that doesn't work, brain cells that don't twitch, unfortunately encased in a body that somehow, to general sorrow, has found its way to a computer to spew its gross ignorance. You actually justify this woman's death?!? Wow, I thought I'd read it all, but you have to be the stupidest most ignorant person I have ever heard from.

    July 11, 2009 at 3:56 am |
  9. Emmy

    My goodness, the debate that has been hashed through this comment box is disgusting. To say that all individuals in a group are exactly the same and deserving of punishment for the crimes committed by few extremists is completely illogical. To say that a woman deserves to be murdered in front of her child and husband in a court of law for whatever reason is downright cruel.

    July 11, 2009 at 3:46 am |
  10. mike

    Should the muslims be welcomed to Europe and better than Europeans are welcomed in the middle east? double standards dont work folks...

    July 11, 2009 at 3:45 am |
  11. jesus

    Murder of a pregnent women at a court room,

    Thumbs up humanity you are doing well ,

    and fighting on forums for or against her death , insane,,,,cruel,,,heartless.

    the worst thing ,,,,,police shot the man who was protecting his pragnent wife,,,,,,the policeman from hell

    the loss of innocence ,,,,,this world will pay greatly for such misdeeds.....

    After so many world-wars , crucifictions, suicide bombs, torchers,,,,,,when will you learn human race,,,,,,,you hav become habitual of destroying yourself.

    July 11, 2009 at 3:44 am |
  12. Matthew

    One muslim women is killed in front of her husband & child,so much of commotion.how many non muslims are killed all over the world by muslims in the name of terrorism.why no muslim condems it. most of the terrorists are holed up & conduct meetings in mosques, you think the other muslim worshippers are not aware of this? they are either quiet and they support it or they dont want to get involved.
    I am an asian i have met muslims from the middle east who are citizens of america talking ill about america and about they did to palestine blah blah blah. why do muslims want to come here make the money, educate ur kids ,sympathise with ur muslim country and is probably supporting the so called terrorist.
    America is helping muslim countries get to the path of democracy,and workers from different countries are helpeing to built their country, these same worked are captured, tortured and killed by the terrorist. these workers too have small kids &wives why nobody is sympathising.If the rest of the world is helping muslims get rid of terrorism then muslims should also help the rest of the world by giving info on the terrorists.it takes two hands to clap.

    July 11, 2009 at 3:39 am |
  13. jb

    i am so sick of the crying about the war in iraq. and by the way, the war was mismanaged. there wasn't enough killing!! i guess the gassing and slaughtering of his own people was not justification, and by the thousands. this was one person. we will see what obams does, which is nothing so far, being the islam sympathiser that he is. isn't anyone sick of one thing happening to a muslim and the whole stinking group of them start screaming? talk about stepford robots!! maybe even the borg for all you star trek fans!

    July 11, 2009 at 3:31 am |
  14. KD

    Thanks for putting this story. It is tragic. I am sure justice would be meted out and I don't believe this is a systemic problem in Germany much in the same way fundamentalism is not a systemic problem in Muslims. I do hope and pray that some of the people on this forum instead of spewing hatred against each other simply take a moment to think about a family's loss irrespective of their race and religion. Remember HATRED betroths HATRED. Instead of blaming think of how we could bridge the 'seeming' gap between Islam and West. Anyone who knows about Islam and real muslims would find there is no such gap. Its all about perceptions and it cuts both ways.

    July 11, 2009 at 3:31 am |
  15. Irum Mubarik

    its not the debate of Islam with christianity or any other religion versus other religion.

    Facts are simple, a woman has been stabbed by a man.

    Justice of the hour: Try him in the court of law and punish him.

    Yet to be seen: Lets see how these self acclaimed " champions of law" (Europeans, incl. Germany) punish him. Religion NOW applies here, whether an innocent scarfed woman's blood will go in vain or Religiously motivated GERMAN WACKO will be FREED just because he belongs to other religion than islam and is white in origin?

    July 11, 2009 at 3:28 am |
  16. jane doe

    Please look into the brutal torture-murder of French Jew Ilan Halimi by several dozen African and Arab Muslim immigrants. This Egyptian was murdered by one crazy man yet all of Europe is blammed. Mr Halimi's murderers were several dozen and possibly 50 or more knew he was being kidnapped. I am sick to death of Europeans being demonized as racist and Islamaphibic. Muslims, Arabs, and Africans committ a lot of hate crimes. The Arab and Muslim media cry about European bigotry yet they publish things about Jews no mainstream media outlet anywhere would ever publish about Arabs or Muslims

    July 11, 2009 at 3:19 am |
  17. Saddened

    How tragic. I hope her suffering was brief, and my thoughts are with her husband and other family members.

    July 11, 2009 at 3:14 am |
  18. LM

    We are each of us right and each of us wrong. Arguments about why these things happen and how authorities, etc., should respond are pointless. The only way we will ever have peace in this world is when the majority of human beings on this planet (who are peace-loving) speak up and drown out the voices of extremism on both sides. When we feel the same pain at the death of a young mother or innocent child who doesn't pray like us or look like us, as we would if they were our own sister or child, then we will have peace. It is very easy when reading news like this to assign blame – makes us feel more safe, in a weird way. But, the majority of human beings are not capable of harming their fellow human beings.

    I have a great deal of hope for the next generation – through social media, they are seeing the faces that belong to the news sound bites we hear.

    Blessings upon this woman's family and upon the family of the man who took those two lives. Blessings upon all in this world who are not as fortunate as I am to live in the peaceful nation that is Canada.

    July 11, 2009 at 3:13 am |
  19. Not Ray

    come on everyone give ray a break, its not his fault he was born in Mississippi. He cant HELP but be a racist prick.
    willis and fifi are just as dumb. they prove racism is alive and well in USA.
    they are the type that think only Christians have rights.

    Its is that attitude that makes the world think we are all a bunch or racists who cant see ANYTHING in historical perspective. Most americans dont know, cant comprehend how we have affected the middle east and the rest of the world.

    God will judge you bigots and racist. and since you dont think you have sinned you wont ask for forgiveness. and by your own rules will not be forgiven by your christian judge.

    July 11, 2009 at 3:07 am |
  20. Allen

    Look at a number of the commentators, like Vanessa, above and their their bigoted comments, essentially saying a young pregnant woman deserved to be stabbed to death in a court of civil justice. Because either a) she should have assimilated or b) Muslims as a collective whole haven't shed enough tears over victims of terrorism (despite being themselves the #1 target of such extremists).

    How ironic that such individuals, under different circumstances, would no doubt be the first to present themselves as law and order fanatics concerned about civil protection; but under the right illumination they expose themselves for the base criminals they truly are.

    Nothing more than rats from the gutter and an anchor on the human race.

    July 11, 2009 at 3:06 am |
  21. jay

    im not a racist or bigot but i wanna lay out a few things i think about when i read this article, and what happened here was a tragety i wish no one would have to go through, also i believe its clearly a courtroom personal skrew up big time...I dont see how 2 egyptian researchers could have there trust in germany shattered by this incident, no ones rights were violated a punk murderer got a knife in passed security etc, and I do believe they have more rights in Germany then they have in egypt, I dont think it shows that the german govt are hating on muslims, but i dont t think a rallying cry by muslims is needed here, I believe muslims got a black eye in public because of doing just that thing IE the cartoons etc, I just fail to see any huge rally going on against violence by muslims at all, and that picture of the dancing in the streets after 9/11 is probably always on most peoples minds when they see this

    July 11, 2009 at 3:00 am |
  22. Kyria

    I am married to a Muslim. This is what I've learned. They will hold a whole country accountable for the actions of one individual who made a choice of their own free will and acted of their own volition. They do not seem to grasp the concept of "individualism." This makes sense as they live in a "collectivist" society(ies). In America and Western Europe we understand individual accountability better because we live in "individualist" societies.

    Also, they never let things go. If there was anything that ever happened to them (as in "we Muslims" or as in "me" or "I") then you will hear about it forever and a day, whenever something reminds them about it.

    July 11, 2009 at 2:45 am |
  23. SweetWaterGringo

    PS...Zane....How do you know Ray goes to church? You probably don't believe you're judgemental, do you?

    July 11, 2009 at 2:38 am |
  24. Atif

    Shame German... they did same in past. They have no respect for religion. May ALLAH bless her and family. RIP

    July 11, 2009 at 2:36 am |
  25. Aghast

    P. Bayless-You, as an old lady, should know that the elderly can look grumpy regardless of their feelings. Shame on all of you who frown on the immigrants who search for a better life. Do you spoiled native kids of America, Germany, or anywhere think that you're better than the educated immigrants from the middle east, scientists and doctors working on life saving diseases? Or the immigrants from Mexico, doing our back-breaking labor for tiny pay?

    July 11, 2009 at 2:33 am |
  26. Human

    why can’t we just look at a person as a human, regardless of the person’s race, religion, ethnicity, etc.
    It’s good to see that people feel for this woman and her family.
    But people who are arguing about killings of jews, buddhists, germans in egypt and million other people of different back grounds, it is wrong, we all agree with you..but stop looking at them as a jew or a buddhist, look at it as a innocent human’s life was taken away.
    it doesn’t matter if a jew dies or a muslim dies..an innocent life was taken ! feel for them ! speak up for them !
    today’s world has completely lost the sense of humanity.
    lets stop playing the blame game or a tit for tat response
    lets all stand up for humanity and speak up against all the crime against innocent people regardless of their race, religion and ethnicity.
    Most important of all, lets not judge the whole community by the actions of a few corrupt people who manipulate religion representing their own ideas.
    what you see in most countries, specifically middle east, like cutting off hands, beheading, stoning to death,it is THAT countries law, it just so happens that it is a muslim country and people mistake it for it to be an Islamic law. Such laws do NOT represent Islam. No religion, including Islam teaches violence, crime and killing.

    July 11, 2009 at 2:29 am |
  27. SweetWaterGringo

    The murder of this woman is obviously wrong, and the courts should comdemn the murderer as he deserves. However, as an American who has lived in Muslim countries for several years, I can attest to the level of duplicity in these countries and it is is astounding. The hew and cry for the rights of "poor Muslims" when a Muslim is killed pales in comparison to the deafening silence when it's the other way around. You would not believe the filth that I have heard about Jews, Hindus and Christians from my students over there. And that doesn't come close to the praise I have heard for suicide bombers and others. I think it is time for the West to wake up.

    July 11, 2009 at 2:23 am |
  28. Human

    why can't we just look at a person as a human, regardless of the person's race, religion, ethnicity, etc.
    It's good to see that people feel for this woman and her family.
    But people who are arguing about killings of jews, buddhists, germans in egypt and million other people of different back grounds, it is wrong, we all agree with you..but stop looking at them as a jew or a buddhist, look at it as a innocent human's life was taken away.
    it doesn't matter if a jew dies or a muslim dies..an innocent life was taken ! feel for them !
    today's world has completely lost the sense of humanity.

    July 11, 2009 at 2:22 am |
  29. edy t

    Forgive those who sinned and you will be blessed

    July 11, 2009 at 2:16 am |
  30. heidi

    When a whole family was executed in Jemen a few weeks no one said anything and these people were there to help they were medical people-yes this is so terrible we cannot imagine it at all-but to call the whole German nation BAD that is so wrong-
    I ask these Egyptians who are demonstrating who has always been yout helper who apart from the USA gives you your most help us the Germans who alows your children to study here us the bad Germans-

    July 11, 2009 at 2:15 am |
  31. Brandon

    Why should we mourn the death of one more than another? Sadly enough its almost a certainty that another pregnant woman was murdered somewhere in the world for some stupid reason. Muslim, Christian or Jew who really cares? If you aren't going to mourn the deaths of everyone who dies everyday that isn't somehow connected to you(which if you did you'd be too busy mourning to live) then don't whine about this one. Is it horrid? Yes. Did the sun come up this morning? Yes. Is it going to tomorrow? Of course.

    July 11, 2009 at 2:14 am |
  32. Silly_me

    Everyone needs to quit blaming an entire nation for a few people's hatred!! This poor woman and her unborn baby were murdered in a court of law! Americans, Europeans, Chinese....who cares?! Hatred is hatred.

    I am a proud American. I hate no person because of their religious, sexual or national staus. I want the world to know that MANY Americans are just like me. They want to live in peace. This statement will echo throughout the world.

    Please bring justice to this family.

    July 11, 2009 at 2:12 am |
  33. Chris

    Mohammed,"the clash of civilization" begins when Muslims emigrate to other countries and instead of following the laws of these countries want to take over and declare Sharia. If "sisters want to wear their hijab, brothers want to marry more that one wife, they need to go back where they come from. Europe has become a total Muslim colony and the demands they are making in England, France and other countries are outrageous! Just like the "Infidels" cannot bring or practice their religion in your countries, Muslims should not be allowed to disregard the laws of the countries they emigrate to. There is not one Muslim country where ANY other religion is TOLERATED, NOT ONE! There are a lot more Christians killed in Muslim countries then the other way around. We also don't like all the threats lobbed from Muslims when things don't go their way ! What happened in Germany is horrible and should never have happened, no matter what nationality the woman was. The reason Germans are getting more intolerant is, because the government schools and trains Egyptians and other foreigners and pays all costs. They then get well paying jobs and that creates hatred. I know what I am talking about, my niece was married to an Egyptian in Germany. He now works for Siemens, works and travels allover the world, makes a six figure salary, works in the USA right now. Also Muslims do not integrate, they think the "Infidels" are filthy. I read the Quran and it definitely states in there "slay the Infidels and Jews where you may find them, do not be friends with them" Whenever something happens to a Muslim there is all this outrage from them. Where is the outrage when it is done to anyone else but Muslim's? Does their life not have any value?
    I have not forgotten how Muslim's allover the world partied and celebrated after 09/11, gave each other gifts. Finally the press asked why no one from the Muslim community spoke up against this, it took a while! Pay attention people, the ones that scream the loudest are just as guilty of what they accuse you of, if not more so.

    July 11, 2009 at 2:01 am |
  34. ryan

    Doesitreallymatter, you definitely DO NOT see the big picture. People have been killing each other for many reasons, religion being just one of them.

    List of non-religious mass murderers: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, genocide of native americans, hutus butchering of tutis', etc, etc.

    The fact is that HUMANS are the real evil here. They kill each other for religious, economic, and political reasons. There is no ONE cause for brutality amongst humans–even though atheists want you to believe it is religion.

    July 11, 2009 at 1:54 am |
  35. neen

    Didn't someone wise say " an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" ?????

    July 11, 2009 at 1:53 am |
  36. Tina, Mississippi, USA

    WTF?! Ray, from Mississippi, you are a shame to me as a Mississipian. Our tears for her brutal murder should have nothing to do with her religion. We should be outraged because it was related to her religion. She was not a terrorist. You say they can't expect tears because of blah blah blah they don't care about us. Well guess what? To not be just like the terrorist we have to be better than them. You my fellow Mississippian are not better. Hate monger.

    July 11, 2009 at 1:47 am |
  37. Paloma

    Where is the outcry from the Muslim world about 9/11 attacks or thousands being killed by their own in Iraq. Who believes this lie that it is a peace loving religion? The Koran specifically says that if a village is unbelieving they are to kill every infidel in that town!
    As for Islam being the largest religion...uh no, Christianity still is. Islam may reach that designation one day, but not because of converts but because of propagation through reproduction. While Europeans are at zero population growth, Muslims are quadrupling their numbers the old fashioned way! As one Plestinian so proudly claimed, she did not mind her son dying for the cause because he was assured heaven and she had seven more!
    Sympathy, yes because it is a human life and precious, but because she is Muslim? Spare me!

    July 11, 2009 at 1:46 am |
  38. Um

    Vanessa - her husband was a scholar with a full scholarship and she was a pharmacist, so she and her family were not "sucking" any system dry..your ignorance is outstanding and I abhor that you sucked a few minutes out of my time!

    as for everyone else, one of the biggest issue wtih Marwa's death is that it was not publicized until the day of her funeral when the masses could not be denied....the crimes everyone else is talking about either were or weren't publicized and the outrage/reaction was as porportioned to the coverage....

    for all those who say they don't see any outcry from the Muslim world over any kind of crime committed by Muslims, let me remind you of what the renowned doctor, Leo Bascaglia (sp?) has said "Lovers don't make the ten o'clock news." To show outrage on the Muslims' part is to actually show them as caring - can't have that when you need to see them as WMD-carrying/acts-of-terror-committing people. It would foil the whole plan, don't you see?

    When we play the finger pointing game, we go around in circles, and all that would accomplish is everyone getting dizzy and knocking each other over - which is exactly what's going on right now...

    May Marwa rest in peace - her and her unborn child - and may the soul fo Alex W and all those who commit as outrageous a crime as taking another's life without remourse be condemned forever and ever!

    July 11, 2009 at 1:20 am |
  39. Bill

    "there is nothing in Islam that calls for violence and murder, check by yourself."


    Islam is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of submission and hatred, and any who do not believe in Islam are to be ruled by those who do. This is what the Q'uran teaches. The Q'uran also teaches that women are inferior, and that those who do not believe in Islam are also inferior (infidels).

    July 11, 2009 at 1:20 am |
  40. Anthony

    I feel no need for the German government to apologize the Muslim world gets so offended when one of their own is killed but where is their apology for the bombings in London, attachs on US such as the warship in Yemen or 9/11 these people act like they have some special right that they neither have nor deserve

    July 11, 2009 at 1:17 am |
  41. Matt G

    'Hate crime'......as opposed to 'love crime'.......?

    Clearly this psycho guy had a screw loose. There are bigots belonging to every ethnicity, religion, and nationality..... it is not as if all Germans are islamophobic murderers. It is really tragic, and you just feel terrible for the woman and her family.

    What do you want the German Government to do? Hang him in a street ceremony a-la-Tehran-Justice???

    July 11, 2009 at 1:12 am |
  42. Patrick

    Islam is the religion of Satan and Muslims are evil.

    July 11, 2009 at 1:10 am |
  43. BJ

    If that woman and child were jewish or american, we'd have a whole new war going on.

    People should remember that cultural diversity is everywhere. If muslims should stay in there own countries, then what about the italians who once represented all things Mafia? What about germans who once represented all things anti-semItic? When exactly do people come out from the automatic judging machine? Mob mentality is bad no matter what flavor it comes in. As long as the population amount continues to rise and resources continue to be depleted, the world will continue to get more violent until enough people are wiped out to balance out the supply/demand for life to exist without so much violence.

    July 11, 2009 at 1:10 am |
  44. Halaxis

    "Ray – Jackson, MS July 10th, 2009 6:32 pm ET

    Weren’t some Germans just killed by muslim terrorrist in Yemen and there was not out cry from the muslim world now was there? If they weren’t German they were from another European country. There was no out cry from the Muslim world on 9/11. There was no out cry from the Muslim worl when London was attacked. Don’t expect non-Muslims to bust out crying over this woman. Muslims are getting what they put out in the universe on this one."

    Ray, you bloody Troll...

    July 11, 2009 at 1:08 am |
  45. Halaxis

    *sigh* people are so ready to blame an entire demographic on the actions of a few. I don't blame them, its second nature to us to blame *someone* for our problems. Everything has two sides, and both sides have pros and cons. For example, a response to "Doesit Really matter." Yes religion has always caused problems in History and caused many deaths, but, its also saved many individuals as well, its given birth to great thinking, civilization, and culture. Religion can heal as well as hurt.
    A way for this all to stop is if we stop caring about other peoples view points and beliefs and personally agree that some one else argument is just as valid as yours. Its all wishful thinking though, after all, humanity is nothing but narcissistic apes. Seriously, think about it...

    July 11, 2009 at 1:06 am |
  46. Satanic_Hamster


    No mention in the article or ANY of the comments that the murderer was Russian, not German?

    July 11, 2009 at 1:05 am |
  47. demo

    Ray, you should be ashamed of yourself, how will you feel if someone pray that such a sad story happened to you, irrespective of our religion or color, we are all created by one Almighty creator and every soul is sacrilege. For your information, extremist is human disposition and not religion.

    July 11, 2009 at 1:04 am |
  48. Bill

    When Muslims piloted planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, Muslims were shown on television proudly cheering. Where was the outrage in the Muslim world for the murders of the innocent victims on the hijacked aircraft and in the WTC and Pentagon? Was that not a hate crime, as well?

    I have been subject to the hatred of Muslims against any and all Americans in Brooklyn, where Masjid Al Farooq is located. One day, I held the door at a subway station for a man in Muslim garb (he was indeed a Muslim, as he went straight in the Masjid Al Farooq school). I was greeted by a hateful stare, rather than a thank you for being courteous.

    This is by far not the only incident of Muslim hatred I have encountered. In short, the Muslims who attend the Masjid Al Farooq were rude, and had looks of hatred in their eyes whenever I passed that place.

    Religion is evil. People who believe in deities are no more intelligent or enlightened than people who believe in Santa Claus or the tooth faerie. There is absolutely no proof of the existence of ANY deity. The fools who believe in this nonsense say, "you cannot disprove the existence of god". I don't have to disprove it, just like I don't have to disprove the existence of Santa Claus or the tooth faerie: THEY DO NOT EXIST, and any sane person knows this. People use their religion to justify their hatred, or to prove to themselves that they are somehow superior to non-believers. It's just another excuse for inferior people to impose their will upon others.

    If you want to believe in things that do not exist, fine, but do not try to impose your idiocy upon others.

    July 11, 2009 at 1:03 am |
  49. kara

    Is it just me, or is everyone not seeing the big picture. Religion is the greater evil here and not the muslim religion alone.

    Religion is not the biggest factor. MONEY is. There has not been a war that was initiated that money is not the factor. Even the crusades. Read the accounts of the group when it states we recovered much land and booty today. It is money religion is used against us the are perpetrating this crime! No doubt camel through a needle eye!

    July 11, 2009 at 1:02 am |
  50. dredlox

    The death of even one person diminishes us all – there is no place for hatred or murder, nor should there ever be. Having said that i will relate that I was not born here – this is my adopted country. I proudly became a citizen and served honorably in our armed forces. As my new home embraced me, so I embraced its values, traditions and way of life. I expect all other immigrants to do the same. In America most people denounce religious extremists and fascist politicians. In certain parts of the world those are the type of people who run their nations – and often do so to wide public acclaim! America and the west need to stop apologizing to the rest of the world for crimes which, though inexcusable, are committed far more often in those same, complaining, nations.

    July 11, 2009 at 1:01 am |
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