July 10th, 2009
10:30 PM ET

Her only crime was the veil

Octavia Nasr
AC360° Contributor
CNN Senior Mideast Affairs Editor

Marwa is already dubbed the “Hijab Martyr.” Many believe she was murdered because she’s Muslim and wears her religion on her head in a Hijab, the Muslim head cover. Her heinous cold-blooded murder in a Germany courtroom has sent shockwaves across the Middle East and now it is spreading across the world.

Marwa was 31 and three months pregnant, when she appeared at a Dresden courtroom to testify against a man who had already been convicted of verbally attacking her by calling her a “terrorist” at a playground with her 3-year-old son. Instead of justice, Marwa and her family were met by a tragic fate.

On July 1st, in the Dresden courtroom, the same man identified only as Alex M. stabbed her 18 times in front of her son and husband. As her husband tried to defend her, he got his share of the stabbing and he was shot by a police officer who mistook him for the assailant. Marwa later died in the hospital. Her husband is still in critical condition.

Two Egyptian researchers at Dresden University, Mohammed Ahmed Khalif and Magdi Khalil, told CNN that on that fateful day, their trust in Germany was shattered.

"We have fear about our family here, about our children” said Khalif. He said he is disappointed by what he believes is a muted response by the German public and its politicians.

Khalil agrees with Khalif. He adds that some people in Germany could possibly harbor an anti-Muslim sentiment. He suggested twisting this around to see how people would react to the same story. “What do you think if we have an Egyptian guy who kills a German woman in a court? What do you think would happen,” he asked.

Germany’s government spokesperson Thomas Steg stressed that, “In Germany we cannot tolerate, right wing extremism, hatred of foreigners nor Islamophobia."

For many in Egypt and across the Middle East, this response came late and wasn’t enough.

Egyptians mourned the death of Marwa with shock and outrage. As it is customary in the Middle East when someone dies young, the 31-year-old pregnant mother was buried in a procession fit for a bride, while across the nation people continue to take to the streets in sympathy.

Underneath the sadness of mourning, anger is brewing at what people in the Middle East call a hate crime. They are moved by news reports of how Marwa died.

Many have taken to the streets, waving banners that call her stabbing death a hate crime and that it’s racially motivated. They say Marwa was killed because she's Muslim and wore the Muslim headscarf.

When they felt their calls for justice were going unnoticed, Egyptians along with other Arabs and supporters from around the world, took to the Internet, which has become the voice for the voiceless in the Middle East region.

On Twitter, they asked for sympathizers to spread the message that a life was lost and they want the world to pay attention.

They accused the media of failing to highlight the murder.

They criticized Europe in general and Germany in particular for becoming increasingly extreme towards minorities, especially Muslims.

And on Facebook, they asked for justice; calling for the harshest possible sentence for the assailant and an apology from Germany. They created pages where people can pay homage to a woman who has now become known simply as the "Martyr of the Hijab."

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soundoff (274 Responses)
  1. kathy

    When you take out the factor of religion out, it's still such a cold blooded murder. No pregnant woman or any person should ever die like that. This is a sad day for everyone around the world.

    July 11, 2009 at 12:59 am |
  2. Ali

    How shame on the media? It took them 10days to report this news. They only reported now because this case has gathered much attention via email and social networking. And media was getting blame to ignore this news. They have time to report Iran's election for 2 straight weeks day and night but for this one, they all were quite.

    July 11, 2009 at 12:59 am |
  3. Anar "Ariel" Y.

    It isn't Religion that's the problem here, it's the people who exploit it and use it to fulfill their own selfish desires. Whether it's God, Allah, Buddha, or whatever else a person refers to as his or her ultimate concern, one has to remember that the supernatural non-being does not exist and especially feel in the same way that we do. God does not want anything ... people want, people hate, and people kill in the name of their own perverse nature. I'm tired of people using Religion as an excuse for their own corruption.

    OttoBeez is right. The bottom-line here is that a woman out for justice and her innocent unborn child were killed. My thoughts and prayers go out to her husband and the rest of her family. A hate crime, whether it is directed towards blacks, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, etc., is still a hate crime and should be treated as one. I don't believe the world should condemn the entire nation of Germany for the actions of one hateful person. It is our job to stand up and bring justice to those racist individuals, such as the neo-nazis and skinheads that have set up camp and many countries throughout the world, who act in this way on a regular basis.

    In the words of Thich Nhat Hanh, "[Jesus] is the door for us to enter the Kingdom of God. The Buddha is also described as a door, a teacher who shows us the way in this life ... But it is said that there are 84,000 Dharma doors, doors of teaching. If you are lucky enough to find a door, it would not be very Buddhist to say that yours is the only door. In fact, we have to open even more doors for future generations. We should not be afraid of more Dharma doors-if anything, we should be afraid that no more will be opened."

    July 11, 2009 at 12:56 am |
  4. Wes

    Lots of comments are filled with hatred against muslims by ignorrant and arrogant people. What a shame? I wish these so called christians before spreading hatred by their words read the true teachings of Jesus. May God belss us all!

    Wes, Atlanta

    July 11, 2009 at 12:44 am |
  5. Michelle

    I think we need to put labels aside and the WORLD need to stop hate crimes of ANY nature. What happened to this woman and her family was horrible..and there are thousands of horrible things happening every day to thousands of different peoples, races, cultures, religions. It's wrong for this to happen to anybody in this world!

    Come on, people! We are all human beings on this fast declining world...we need to learn to accept that we are all brothers and sisters and treat each other as such. Maybe then we will have a real chance of survival!

    July 11, 2009 at 12:43 am |
  6. Frank

    This is a horrible crime. You can not spin it any other way. The loss of a human life to an ignorant piece of garbage is appaling.

    We may argue that the media is biased and covers little of the atrocities that Muslims commit on thier own women. Please search Saudi king pardons rape victim.

    We may argue the point of the 'moderate' muslim lack of outrage for atrocities by the Janjaweed in Darfur and other supposed minority Muslims in Indonisia, Egypt etc. etc. etc. Yet their ability to get all riled up about one murder and a couple of newspaper comics. Go figure.

    However what we can NOT argue is that this woman was a victim. Unless there was a law passed, she had every right to wear what she wanted to. To practice what ever religion she wanted to. She was a peacfull citizen who was killed by a monster, whom I hope gets every ounce of justice the law allows.

    If you are going to argue, argue the right topics, not that a woman and her child deserved to die simpley because of thier race or religion. Grow up and see that attitude for what it really is; no better than those you are crying about.

    July 11, 2009 at 12:40 am |
  7. Naseer Lucas

    Please brou. When 9/11 happened there was an outcry. It wasn't Muslims that pulled 9/11, it was simply evil people. People don't even know that there was a mosque inside the world trade center and that there were Muslims that died in there too. No one learns anything.

    Any unjust killing is wrong. It is not just when a Muslim dies.

    All the people on here who commented with such replies as e.g. "What about when this person dies, why don't you say something about that?" and "Crying like a bunch of babies." People should be aware of people like you. Are you that cold blooded? Your attitude shows no difference to Hitler's attitude or KKK attitude. The attitude of "Hey, our people are dying and suffering, why should we care about you?!"

    Make me sick to the heart. Look yourself in the mirror and see the animal looking back at you. Sickness in the heart.

    July 11, 2009 at 12:39 am |
  8. Westerner in Saudi

    I am a westerner living in Saudi. I can tell you there is rarely any sympathy for anyone but fellow Muslims in this society. The adherence to the belief that Muslims are better than everyone else and the only ones who matter is akin to fascism. Of course this is never fully reported because Mr. Anderson Cooper can't get into Saudi to do a full report on the suffering of the others in Saudi like the Filipinos and Hindus who are virtual slaves to a society which focuses all its energy not on work but on prayer. So instead the news media of the West just dissects Western society over and over again. Grow some courage, Mr. Cooper.

    July 11, 2009 at 12:31 am |
  9. Derrr

    So much fail in these comments. This guy was clearly a psychopath. If the woman had been a christian, you wouldn't see people marching in the streets. And I don't remember the Jews participating in suicide bombing campaigns against innocent civilians pre-WWII.

    They need to hijack the BBC or some other channel with global saturation for a year or two and just have some well spoken guy explain religion in it's entirety, including where they all stemmed from, how much cross=breeding there was, how OLD some of the concepts are, how each of the major religions directly contributed to horrible atrocities, the stunning ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence, etc. I'd say a two week course. 8 hours a day, three times a day, M-F, on rotation I think after a few years of this, we may be able to get beyond it, if countries didn't just ban the BBC outright.

    Then, maybe, we can start getting somewhere as a species without the selfish, irresponsible tendency to raise children to think they need to be part of a religious organization.

    July 11, 2009 at 12:31 am |
  10. sheh

    Caral – you have no right to miss quote the Quran ( BTW it is Quran , not Koran). if you ever want to quote make sure you give the reference ( chapter & verse) so that pple reading the comments can go look for themselves what lies you have written here.
    Similarly i can quote you many verses from the bible that call for violence , incest & bigotry and many other versus that are soo shameful that you cannot read in front of your children.
    Now, remember miss quoting the Quran or stating things that are not there is a grave sin for you lying about God.

    July 11, 2009 at 12:31 am |
  11. Drew

    Hey Vanessa,
    How would you like it if the Native Americans all of a sudden told you to get off their land and go back home to your country?

    July 11, 2009 at 12:16 am |
  12. koonfuroow

    richard h. levenson

    I think you are missing the point Richard ok. A woman was killed in a court room in front of the law ok. Germany has failed by letting this to happen. It is a shame both for the German government and people. And if you are trying to excuse Germany for letting this to happen then you are a racist of the worst kind. Besides, no body gets killed in a court room in front of the law in the Muslim world.

    July 11, 2009 at 12:13 am |
  13. Andrea

    Some of these comments are outrageous. I cannot believe that anyone would justify this poor woman's death due to the past atrocities committed by extremist muslims. This woman chose to wear her covering because it is her right as a citizen of the world! No one has a right to judge anyone because of this. Nuns cover their hair and I dont see anyone getting up in all arms about that.

    Ray, I am sure you are just loving all this attention from your seemingly uneducated claims on your blog but here is a little news flash for you. The muslim world held vigils and ceremonies during 9/11, one was held in Iran. Many muslims were killed during 9/11 as well. But I am sure you would not know this because you apparently were too busy to flip on CNN and actually watch the news!

    And Jigalong, you say that Germans and France should not allow Muslim people in their country because they are trouble. You seem to be in the same boat as Ray over in MS because you seem to not remember the massacre of Jews that the Germans committed in a little thing called WWII and you should really read about France and colonialism. You think that Europe and America are so innocent but the crimes committed in our history are just as hard to stomach as the crimes committed by extremist muslims.

    This was a human life people!

    July 11, 2009 at 12:09 am |
  14. Sharon Moreno

    What is our world comming to? Its sad to see how evil the Human Race is regardless of Color, Creed or Race. What kind of message are we sending to our children? Who no doubt are the future! When will the hatred of being different stop and what will it take to stop it as we now progress in the 21st/22nd Century. Aren't we as the dominant species supposed to be better than this? We are not animals! It seems that we have not learned from our past history. This killing of an innocent pregnant woman was an outrage no matter what country you live in.

    My prayers go out to Marwa's 3 year old son and her husband. God bless you both!

    July 11, 2009 at 12:02 am |
  15. chilly

    It is very sad that people have forgotten how"To live and let live". Let us all pray to live in peace and harmony, the way God intended it to be. May God have mercy on this man's soul who so foolishly ended two young lives. Just a thought what in heavens was the police doing when he attacked her? Could they have not saved her? It is only July and the October Fest is still months away ! So what does this tell you. My heart goes out to the brave lady .And what of her son. Will we all learn a lesson from this? I do sincerely hope so!

    July 11, 2009 at 12:02 am |
  16. Mood

    salam alikm ,this is our salut and it means peace be on you,this is how we start our conversations and this is how we ended,i agree that we have few bad muslims who give a very bad picture for all muslims but everyone have to understand that through the human history in every group,in every relegion in every country you will always find some bad people cause we dont live in a perfect world and just to have your name mohamed doesnt mean you arfe a true muslim,remember the middle centries and hundreds of thousands of people were killed in the name of christ, and hitler germany killed millions of people around the world wearing the cross around his nick,how immigrants who came to america killed thousands of indians and black people,how israel has been occuping palestinain land for over 60 years,putting more than 750000.00 in prisons a nd many of them are women and children,iraq,vietnam and many other genocids took place around the world over history wasnot commited by muslims so please everyone just read the history islam has been around for almost 1500 years and only in the last 8 years people start attacking islam,we all has to agree that at the end we are all human being and color,sex,relegion,background shouldnt be the base to judge each other,the only thing i know that there is a good man and there is a bad man and remember adam and his sons and his son killed his brother over a woman i dont think he was muslim and his brother was christian,at the end peace be with us 1 world under GOD.

    July 11, 2009 at 12:00 am |
  17. Nora

    Everyone is turning this around to be one more time a muslim vs . western war or vendetta.
    What i get out of this story is a 31 year old mother of a 3 year old boy who is expecting her second child got stabbed and killed in a court room in front of her little one and husband. It doesnt matter if she is Jewish, christan, muslim, budist... she is a person, mother, daughter...
    What is wrong with the world? why are we identifying her as the Hijab lady? true that instigated an extreme person to act out, however why dont we look at the real crime. The killer is a man who is capable of stabbing another human 18 times... just make an example out of him, disregarding why he did it for anyone who even thinks about comitting such a crime.

    July 11, 2009 at 12:00 am |
  18. koonfuroow

    There were many outcries from the Muslim world when 9/11 occurred Ray-Jackson. We always pay close attention to the suffering of innocents by terrorists. We Muslims know that terrorists are criminals and they ought to be punished wherever they are. Killing some one in a court room in front of the law is a different story though. Europe is a horrible place where the rights of innocent people are raped and buried daily. I always knew that there are millions of racists in England and Holland but come on and now Germany. I thought Germany moved beyond things like this after what they did to the Jews. Germany caused themselves a huge shame upon their country by letting this happen in their country. Germany should punish that criminal to the extent of his crime and apologize to the Muslim world.

    July 10, 2009 at 11:53 pm |
  19. palmpear

    Sympathy will come when non-Muslim religions are tolerated in Muslim lands. Intolerance works both ways, now doesn't it? If you want to make the world a different place take a look in the mirror and make the change.

    July 10, 2009 at 11:47 pm |
  20. Jimbo

    Ray, you really know how to get a lot of responses.

    Islam has a PR problem.

    When a Muslim does something terrible, most Muslims do nothing and a small number of Muslims dance on rooftops and fill the streets with parties and parades. IT WAS ON CNN!! This says "We ALL hate westerners but most of us don't have the time to go dancing" I swear to God that's what I got from it.

    No Muslim condems the terrorist but they say they feel bad it happened and say that they are not extremist like the one who did it. That tells us "we don't condemn because we would do the same if called on by allah to do his will and kill westerners. It's in the book after all. But we'll give you some platitudes. How's that?"

    We hear that most Muslims are moderate and peace loving and don't read the Koran the same way as those awful terrorists. Still, we're concerned that the Koran calls for our heads to be severed. A small percentage of radical Muslims still amounts to THOUSANDS in the USA. It's uncomfortable.

    Lawyer girl Leann. Talk about freedom of expression for bloods and crips. Maybe we can do some legislation that restricts gang attire nationwide so religious crap can't be worn. Assimilation would go a long way toward improving relations and making everybody understand each other better.

    As to the woman, her children, her husband, I'm so sorry for you. It's not just a tragedy. It's a travesty. That man who did that should be treated like a Muslim girl who makes her father mad. And the judge and every officer of the court who did not intervene should be fired.
    I know Leann is looking to take the Dad's case to court!. 🙂

    July 10, 2009 at 11:44 pm |
  21. Nick

    In my opinion this seems like a incident of a bigger problem a clash between the western world and the muslim world. I am not in agreement or on the side of the killers. But there is something to be said for the conflict where you have people who treat woman like second class citizens moving to countries where woman have equal rights. They cannot treat the citizens of that country as they would in there own country.

    July 10, 2009 at 11:44 pm |
  22. Limbaugh is a liberal

    And who are we to judge? Every week a black or hispanic person (including children) is beaten or shot to death by white supremacists here in the US. Why doesn't CNN ever cover that?

    July 10, 2009 at 11:37 pm |
  23. Peter E

    At least in Germany they rightfully outlawed hate speech, naziism, and racism. Here in the US the KKK, neonazis, white supremacists parade freely every day! Cook it however you want, out of all Western democracies the US has by far the most hate crimes!

    July 10, 2009 at 11:34 pm |
  24. Patrick Enlow - New Albany, MS

    @Ray and other bigots
    -Your words dishearten me greatly. You are neither rational or humane in your assessment. A lady was murdered in cold blood in a court room. There is no way to spin this to make it her fault.

    @All who blame Ray's dysfunction on his location
    – You are of the same ilk as Ray. But I'm just a Southerner, what do i know?

    It's very sad to see the "open-minded" resort to the same low tactics of the "close-minded".

    July 10, 2009 at 11:25 pm |
  25. Nancy

    We humans will never learn. How very sad ...

    July 10, 2009 at 11:24 pm |
  26. Sarah

    Okay, think of this with ethnicity and religion aside. Someone was murdered. A woman was murdered in cold blood, in front of a courtroom full of witnesses. Is this crime any less brutal or not worth attention simply because of religion? How can people be so blind, it's sickening.

    July 10, 2009 at 11:20 pm |
  27. MT

    oh and btw seriously wills when did religous freedom, and the right to choose what you want to wear become a means for stirring up trouble. you cant stab people who wear veils or yarmulkas or crosses 18 times just because of their religous attire. some people are absurd although im glad to see that the majority of people who have commented seem to show intellect and sanity.

    July 10, 2009 at 11:20 pm |
  28. Ann

    Sadly, human beings are capable of terrible atrocities, regardless of race, religion or gender. But thankfully human beings are also capable of incredible acts of kindness, bravery, love and acceptance. Some who have written here have forgotten, or simply do not know, that all human beings are fundamentally the same. So before sharing hateful, destructive thoughts, pause a moment...... and let us treat and speak of others as we wish to be treated.

    July 10, 2009 at 11:19 pm |
  29. cunningal

    It is tragic what happened to this woman. However, the frustration felt by Europeans is evident as these people refuse to assimilate into the culture of the country in which they chose to live.

    How do Americans feel when the illegal, non-tax-paying and undocumented aliens who do not speak English are draining the social/welfare/healthcare systems and burdening the legal resources who are usually afraid to prosecute (or even try – ACLU)? Obama should focus on 'stimulating' action rather than political correctness.

    July 10, 2009 at 11:03 pm |
  30. DOE TX

    Caral – no such verse in the Koran says so. Please verify your facts before you create non-existent verses. Muslims do not kneel to Mohammed, but to God, as he is not part of God, but his Prophet.

    July 10, 2009 at 11:00 pm |
  31. Paul

    This is a truly heinous crime, but it appears to be the act of one demented individual, unlike the following incidents:


    * Sept. 18 - Gunmen suspected to be Moslem militants killed six German tourists & three other people outside the Egyptian Museum in Tahrir Square. Nine people were wounded.

    * November '97 - Moslem terrorists armed with automatic weapons ambushed, shot & killed 62 tourists at Luxor.

    July 10, 2009 at 10:58 pm |
  32. jb

    hey mohammad, let the crusades begin!! armaggedon is the only thing that can stop muslims. like the bible says it will take years to bury the corpses and weapons! Yes!

    July 10, 2009 at 10:54 pm |
  33. Joe

    The only way 3000 'muslims' died on 9/11 is if everybody in the WTC complex converted to Islam a few seconds before the planes hit; in the hopes that the hijackers would view their conversion sympathetically and divert the planes from their lethal trajectory

    Its definitely possible...

    July 10, 2009 at 10:49 pm |
  34. Just me

    Terrible crime and a reaction that will no doubt lead to more terrible crime. It's scarier when it seems like a whole nation is working themselves into a selfrighteous rage. No one's innocent, revenge just covers everyone in blood.
    Jesus said love your ememies, forgive those who mistreat you. This is the only way to overcome the evil that is in the hearts of people of all races.

    July 10, 2009 at 10:47 pm |
  35. Seeker of Light

    JESUS said, "Whoever looks upon a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart."

    Now readrers might say what does this saying of Jesus have anything to do with any of this...

    Muslim Woman in Veil & head covering actually benefit every man from commiting this big sin which Jesus is talking about. Their dress covers whatever might arouse instincts. Veil & head covering is Modesty. Most people are unaware, However that the concept of Hijab is rooted in Judeo-Christian Philosophy. The three Abrahamic religions share many belieifs, one of which includes Hijab.
    It is well known that for hundreds of years Catholic Nuns have worn Habits, a dress much like the Islamic Hijab.
    Than how come Muslim woman is always being targetted and how is this ridiculous and why should it be banned?

    How on earth are some people so cold in their heart that they have no feelings for any innocent human life?

    Have You Hated anyone? If so, then the Bible says you are a murderer.....

    This was very sad...To God we belong, and to God we return. May God give Marwa and her unborn child a place in heaven. Ameen

    July 10, 2009 at 10:43 pm |
  36. P0laRBeaR68

    I believe this guy should get prosecuted to the limit of German law... as one person said, it happened in a courtroom full of witnesses, so there shouldn't be too much doubt as to his guilt in the matter. Plus whatever extra penalty Germany may have for hate crime, on top of that... but no special treatment for Muslims or any other ethnic group.
    Granted, it is an especially brutal and audacious crime – certainly for her courageous husband and young son. The point here is her death was inexcusable – the tragic result of combining a violent, racist repeat-offender with a legal system that is indifferent,
    and woefully unprepared for him.

    July 10, 2009 at 10:37 pm |
  37. Imtiaz

    It is sad to note, people think with their own prospective. become violent when happens to family or people close to their thinking. but views differently, when happens on the other side. Crime is crime is crime. No matter who so ever does is wrong and must meet justice.

    Wheather the crime is done at individual level, or state level will face justice some day. Creator does not let innocent cries go in vain. It is just matter of time time. If mankind does not care for justice, Lord of Lords does. if mankind fails to bring justice, Lord of lords does bring justice. Lords justice certaily prevails. keeping this in view, it is always better to punish individuals rather than whole nations getting punished because individual was not punished.

    Many issues that civilisation faces today is due to injustices done to individuals, and rule of the law in that part failed to implement justice. Simple solution of issues facing today is to implement justice irrespective to race, religion, caste color etc. etc. Let us join hand to punish individuals to avoid collective punishment of Lord of the Lords, who is the creator of whole universe.

    July 10, 2009 at 10:31 pm |
  38. Rachel

    Another murder because of religion.

    July 10, 2009 at 10:31 pm |
  39. Lukas

    This event cleary shows the growing amount of Anti-Islamic sentiment spreading across the western hemisphere, and other non islamic nations . Anderson i'm sure any well minded person will admit that clearly this is wrong, but what needs to be relized is that European cities and being plunge into Anti-Christian, and Anti-Western protests by a more provactive and violent Islamic/Arab population growing in European and North American cities.

    July 10, 2009 at 10:28 pm |
  40. Slip Jig

    Okay jigalong,
    i'm a teenager, i have a friend who is muslim, i know a girl who wears a hijab. It is part of their culture, it's just like saying if you lived the the chuck taylor high tops era when that was a part of our american culture "I think high tops are just ridiculous they should be outlawed"
    saying a part of a culture should be banned, destroys the culture like "it's stupid for catholic priests to wear the little caps on their head" you don't know what it symbolizes and neither do I (btw i am catholic so don't call me a pagan moron)
    bottom line is: you can't ban culture, the taliban already tried that, as did the nazi's, see how well that works?

    July 10, 2009 at 10:27 pm |
  41. Mary

    This is to the comment about "bending a knee to Muhammed (PBUH)". Where does it say that? Muslims don't worship Muhammed (PBUH), only God. Also remember that Christianity was spread by "the sword" as well.

    This is about a woman who was murdered in front of her husband and child. What do you think that child will think of Germans? Nice, friendly people? Or murders of his mother? With this one act that man made sure that another generation of children will hate the west. He will stand before God and explain his actions in due time. Do you think God will approve?

    July 10, 2009 at 10:27 pm |
  42. marie

    assimilate ...what a word to use in the death of a pregnant woman,who was killed in front of her child and husband.

    July 10, 2009 at 10:23 pm |
  43. Jin Quin

    This is really terrible, The mainstream media needs to bring out this story in open as we did for stories from Iran, No civilized society should tolerate such crimes against people following their religion.
    Off late Europe is becoming the hotbed of islamophobia, Recently French president calls for ban on Islamic veil, How can a president of first world country dictate its citizens what is right or wrong to wear..


    July 10, 2009 at 10:22 pm |
  44. Joe Fattal

    Why the veil?. Was it a sign of oppression?, a sign of religious freedom?, Or just to look different. It looks to me a political stand than anything else. Obviously he had no right to stab her, but also she had no business to wear the veil in Germany. She was called a terrorist, maybe it is because of the veil, not for her accent. People that comes from the middle east should know better that wearing their customary dress might get them in trouble maybe not from the government but from a piece of sh.... like that man. One last observation. Why only women wear that traditional dress, but I haven't seen it on men, which do have a traditional dress, or whatever they call it?.

    July 10, 2009 at 10:19 pm |
  45. annsafron

    We are all from the One and go back to the One. We journey to different places in different guises. I have heard that God created so many beings because God wanted to learn about his/her Self.

    Any person that is brutally murdered is a loss to the Whole. And the murderer is also a loss to the Whole, a negative action that a person faces after death.

    Religions are glimpses of the One, the entire picture of ourselves. We mourn for all suffering humanity. Can you hear their sound? It is like a wailing and sorrowful call, ceaseless and ever present. Can we pour enough love out to drown it?

    July 10, 2009 at 10:06 pm |
  46. bobthedog........

    Oh you small minded people. All of you. It is so much greater than all of this..................

    I heard someplace that "Those of us who do not learn from our past (history) are doomed to repeat it."

    Her murder breaks my heart. The reaction breaks my heart. The fallout that is shown here on this blog...............breaks my heart.

    However, it all seems so typical of the "human" animal.

    July 10, 2009 at 10:04 pm |
  47. DrHarrison

    R.I.P Marwa.

    For anyone to post such a comment as Ray did, it shows how un-human we became.

    Marwa deserves from us to sit back and think of all the ongoing hate and death. Do we want to continue this just because it "has been happening”?

    Let’s not turn this into discussion of ray's idiotic comments and focus on paying our respect to a mother and an unborn child who lost their lives in a horrible way.

    July 10, 2009 at 10:00 pm |
  48. Objective

    I think "does it really matter" is calling it correctly, however,
    individuals deeply dipped in religious, cultural and social beliefs
    beginning at birth are blind to it. Religion is the cause of more human suffering than it is resolution for the human spirit.

    July 10, 2009 at 9:56 pm |
  49. mxxxr

    Angela...Who says muslims want your respect? Muslims give a damn what you think of muslims. Muslims could not care less what you wear or not wear. Outrage only comes from victim's own kind whether it is rape, murder, incest. or torture, like you showed your's on 9/11. Muslims do not even try to explain their outrage to others. They only wait for their time to come.

    July 10, 2009 at 9:54 pm |
  50. Randy McGuire

    Oh you silly religious people! When will you learn?

    July 10, 2009 at 9:53 pm |
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