June 27th, 2008
04:51 PM ET

The Fall…and Rise of the Clinton Empire

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Tom Foreman | BIO
AC360° Correspondent

Just when you thought it was safe to watch political news again, take a look at those pictures of her and Obama standing hand in hand, and brace yourselves, Hillary haters.

All of you out there who are celebrating because her campaign is over, all of you who danced in your living rooms when she made her concession speech, all of you who said “Finally, the era of the Clintons is over.”

And all of you whose hearts were broken by her defeat; raise your eyes.

Because many political watchers here in DC are convinced Hillary Clinton is emerging from this election stronger than she went in, despite her loss... And they’ve got about 18 million reasons to think that way. 18 million voters chose her over Barack Obama. Think about that. Even in a country as large as ours, that is a staggering number of people, and in Washington that translates into clout. In every state where she won big, elected Democrats took notice. Now watch what happens. When those Dems are seeking re-election or grappling with big issues, odds are her name will be riding high on their Outlook contacts list.

All that cheerleading she is doing for Obama, brings some spoils of war with it. Insiders say former Clinton staff workers are taking new positions within Camp Obama every day. Her biggest supporters and donors are slowly stepping up to shake his hand. She is walking alongside him, and with every step she is gaining influence, respect, and power in the next administration if Obama wins the White House.

If she had lost badly, she would be scrabbling around for crumbs. But she played him to a near tie in the popular vote, and that is something that no one in the Democratic Party dares to ignore. If Democrats want to beat the Republicans, (and they do!) they suspect the Clinton Seal of Approval must be stamped on a fair amount of all that happens until November.

Because with that seal (and forgive me for bringing up the now sensitive subject of seals) comes access to the Clinton political machine; top level operatives who know how to rally support in the states where Obama did not connect so well, and with constituencies that he makes uneasy: Latinos, older working class voters, and some women. With Clinton approval comes experience in running a general election campaign against the Republicans; remember, Obama has never done that before and primary battles, like the one he just waged, are wholly different affairs. And with Clinton approval comes the former president, Bill Clinton. It is not yet clear, precisely, what role he will play, and considering all the kerfuffle he raised around his wife’s campaign, Obama may be understandably cautious about how he is deployed…but it is certainly better for Obama to have him on his side.

Make no mistake about it, Obama won the nomination. He came from absolutely nowhere to knock off a sure winner (that would be her,) and stun the Washington power players. He’s not about to give her a co-presidency now. Even all that talk of a Vice Presidential slot has grown muted.

But Hillary Clinton is, as it seems the Clintons always do, rapidly turning her defeat into political cabbage; chopping it ten different ways, slathering it with the sauce of consolation, rearranging it on the Capitol platter, and guess who looks like she is eating steak again?

18 million voters have a way of sweetening the deal for any politician, whether or not he or she ultimately wins the race.

The Clinton Empire over? The political oracles in DC are whispering: Don’t bet on it.

Editor's note: See Tom anchor This Week in Politics saturday 6PM and Sunday 2PM ET. This week, a special edition: The Clintons: what's next?

Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton • Raw Politics • Tom Foreman
soundoff (163 Responses)
  1. jt

    She is not just a Clinton.

    This lady is smart.

    The DNC are soo afraid of race they put Obama ahead of Hillary.

    They know very soon that they made a mistake because the big Mac will upset Obama.

    I will vote for McCain because he is more experience and a war hero.

    June 28, 2008 at 1:55 am |
  2. Mildred R.

    Make no mistake, President Bush may be judge now by a lot of us as the worst President,but history will prove a lot of us wrong. President Bush will be judge by history as one of the best president and leader of this world. Mark my word.... We thank God everyday for him and we pray that Mr. McCain will be as consistent , honest ,decent ,sincere and funny like him.

    June 28, 2008 at 1:54 am |
  3. Mildred R.

    Make no mistake, President Bush may be judge by a lot of ignorant people now as the worst of all the presidents but there will be a time when a lot of us will realize that he was one of the best presidents and leaders of this world.. We thank God for him everyday.

    June 28, 2008 at 1:46 am |
  4. Jason

    Hilary Clinton lost the nomination because Obama masterfully out-Clintoned the Clintons. The Clintons have always been masters at getting other people to say things about their opponents for them. Having them say what they cannot. But in this process, Obama did an even better job of this than the Clintons.

    Obama allowed people like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and his admirers in the media to attack Clinton mercilessly. The Clintons simply didn't know what hit them. After all, the Clintons had become accustomed to flowering media coverage and admiration. Heck, Bill was supposedly "the first black president" (remember?). Now all of a sudden the media was mocking them, being overly critical and completely in the tank for Obama. The Clintons finally got a taste of what it is like to be a Republican.

    In my opinion, Obama will not win this election. He gained the nomination largely by appealing to his race, through caucuses with rather strange and questionable voting practices, and by galvanizing the youth vote. In general elections, the largest voting block is senior citizens, the smallest is the youth vote, there are no strange caucuses, and the black vote will not win it for him either. The older voters will vote for experience, wisdom and stability. Obama doesn't stand a chance against McCain.

    June 28, 2008 at 1:38 am |
  5. LK


    How can anyone discount "Operation Chaos?" As much as Rush Limbaugh might be a bumbling idiot, he does have a massive base of fans, and those 'dittoheads' were instructed by Lord Limbaugh to go and vote for Clinton to try and edge Obama out of the race because even the Republicans were convinced she'd be a weaker candidate in the fall. Why doesn't this ever come up? Hillary Clinton did receive 18 million votes, yes, but those were far from supportive.


    June 28, 2008 at 1:20 am |
  6. TerryDo

    Teresa June 27th, 2008 11:05 pm ET

    Teresa, I could not have stated your sentiment better.

    Obama and his campaign think that it will all just pass away like turbulent waters, but this primary with its sexism, the outright in your face for Obama during the primaries was and still is detestable, and then finally the sell out by the RBC and the super delegates just broke the Democratic Party and has divided their party which even crazy glue could not bond together again.

    And these are some of the reasons that PUMA PAC is so active in keeping this years corruption in the Democratic Party. So, come and visit their web site and join us, the many member who will not stop fighting. Feminism is alive and well "Just Say No Deal!

    June 28, 2008 at 1:18 am |
  7. LEH

    If the Obama supporters really believe that their candidate is truly electable on his OWN MERITS, then why do you whine about Hillary supporter who REFUSE to support Obama? Are you not confident about your candidate's electability?

    June 28, 2008 at 12:57 am |
  8. Paul

    All I can say is this election will be very interesting. Senator Obama is too inexperinced for my taste. Senator Clinton thinks the white house is hers and we shouldn't even have an election. We should just lead her to the door and let her take the oath. Senator McCain seems to be on both sides of the isle. So it should be very interesting. I think it is funny all the hate shown here from everyone's supporters. but I think repsect should be shown all canidates. I'm soo tired of seeing McShame, McBush, Billery, or Nobama. Whether you like them or not they deserve basic respect given in a polite society

    June 28, 2008 at 12:53 am |
  9. Brandy

    Hillary Clinton is the most remarkable and amazing woman. I admire and respect her so much. Obama scares me to death. He has no experience. He needs Hillary alongside him to teach him how to do his job. I pray everyday for a miracle at the convention and that Hillary will be the nominee (assuming that is what she still wants). The media unfairly bashed her repeatedly throughout the majority of her campaign, especially at the end. If the media had stuck to the facts rather than creating all of the drama that they like to create then all of this Obama drama would be over and Hillary would be our nominee. I am grateful for people like Hillary Clinton who have done so much for America and despite the negative things that many have said about her, she still wants to do as much good for this country as she possibly can. To that I say, "Go Hillary!"

    June 28, 2008 at 12:51 am |
  10. yen

    I have forgiven Hillary Clinton, but I have not forgotten her nasty attempt to win. Of course they (her and Bill) are useful political workers but the love they had from many many followers like myself and those around me is no longer there. Time will tell how things will change.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:49 am |
  11. Willow

    I don't think the Clinton empire is over, but I think it was a bit bruised. HRC may come back and try it again in four or eight years, but never again will it be the same. People are looking at her and Bill with a slightly jaded eye. they have damaged their legacy somewhat and I think people will remember. Of course, there have been a lot of long standing Senators that have come back and did good works. Ted Kennedy is one that I thought would never be able to come back. but people still remember at times.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:49 am |
  12. Henry

    I am a registered Democrat but will not be voting for Obama come the general election. Obama has no substance. He is weak and is only using the Clintons to win. He knows that he cannot win without Hillary by his side but he does not want to give her the VP slot because he is afraid of her. The democratic party has no scrupples and no dignity. They screwed Hillary so her supporters should screw the party. John McCain has better policies than Obama and is a much stronger person. McCain will protect this country better than Obama. With Obama in office we will get attacked again and again...when your taxes start going up don't complain...you will not have more money in your pocket with obama...all you will have is change...spare change..

    June 28, 2008 at 12:43 am |
  13. Belle

    For those that still tout Obama won 11 states in a row...he did not win BIG states and he limped across the finish line. This was the closest contest in Democratic History. The 2nd closest had a 700 delegate difference!!!

    However, the media touted Obama, the DNC changed the outcome and Obama is the nominee. Most of us 18 Million Clinton supporters may have already MAXED our contributions to her.

    I don't foresee a VP slot for Senator Clinton...and if offered, I am not sure she should take it. So far, Senator Obama has had great rhetoric, but no follow through, in that if he is President, and turns out to be ineffective, then being a VP would hurt Clinton if she decides to run again.

    I really believe if Clinton would have dumped her chief strategist in January, and ran her campaign like she did after Texas, she would have been the nominee....but that will only help her next time around.

    In spite of all of the pundits slamming Clinton on a daily basis, in spite of the hatred from bloggers, Clinton, like Obama, has shown true grit and determination. Even now the media can't seem to stop either slamming Clinton or supposing what she is feeling. The easiest way to determine that would be to simply ask her!

    After all...isn't that what JOURNALISTS are supposed to do?

    June 28, 2008 at 12:40 am |
  14. John

    Let Obama and his political hypocrites have their four years. Awfully hard to run a "change" campaign when suddenly YOU are the insider and its your record that is getting ripped apart in the press. Assuming he makes the whitehouse – Hillary had to "play nice"; McCain isn't so restricted. I'm expecting that we'll see a lot of dirt start being dug up about Mr. Say-Lots-Promise-Nothing when the real election starts.

    I'm going to be laughing already when the DNC starts tallying up their votes here in Michigan; throwing their support behind a candidate is one thing. Pissing off a heavy union state that has been a consistent democratic supporter by saying "you count for less than a traitors state and a conservative stronghold that have fewer votes than you" is not smart. The last republican candidate for governor here found that out the hard way; we have long memories and aren't above an eye for an eye.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:35 am |
  15. vic

    Lampe , think about what youre saying. youre gonna hand over the welfare of this country and single shot at steering this country in the right direction to Mcain who can only give us 4 more years of economic devastation for the sake of "sweet revenge". You and whoever is thinking like you dont care about this country or getting us out of this mess that we are in" home forclosures, poverty, wreckless climate control programs, hundreds of my brothers in arms heroically dying in Iraq over a stratigic blunder. Spend one day with me in Iraq then try to vote for mc cain. And in case you havent realized. I'M A VET...and if you still want sweet revenge, leave the country and burn your pass port in october.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:32 am |
  16. seah

    Hillary remains the best person for President.

    She is still at the top

    Obama United the Black Community in Solidarity, getting the delegates in the high populated black areas. Only reason he received higher delegates.

    Hillary made History with record number of votes..............................

    The people want her, still do.

    Nancy Pelosi said "obama has no experience, just young and has ideas"

    We need a Strong President Not a speech or an idea, Or Nancy Pelosi's puppet.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:32 am |
  17. Anne Woods

    My family (8 of us) will be voting McCain. We originally were for Hillary, although we did not agree with all of her planned policies. Barack Obama is scary with his scary friends (Rev. Wright, Fr. Phleger, Rezko, Ayers, Auchi), his many donations received from bankers and lenders who he plans to help with the mortgage bailout, his coke habit, support and membership in a racist church for 20+ years. NoObama...Ever!

    June 28, 2008 at 12:26 am |
  18. Lizzie

    Women? Feminist- STOP IT. You are not fooling anyone. If Obama loses and there is any perception that the Clintons was the cause, Blacks will never forgive the party and won't vote. So thinking Hillary will win in 2012 is ubsurd, and voting for McCain out of bitterness, is taking a huge, I mean, a huge risk.

    No one believes that it is because he is not qualified? How is Hillary more qualified than Obama? No one here is fooled. its because she is a woman that many of these women on these chats say this stuff.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:22 am |
  19. Julia

    I hope Hillary comes back; she is sharp and has lots of experience.
    Hopefully she will get the VP nomination.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:22 am |
  20. JOENC

    For all the people who are still Hillary haters please stop. You continue to say that her 18 million votes are worthless, please show a little respect for the former first lady. She put her heart and soul into this campaign and now she is trying to unite the democratic party. Obama needs her voters in November to win this election, so please stop being so divisive. Hillary is a great women and a great leader!

    June 28, 2008 at 12:22 am |
  21. Wendy L. Rosen

    I think that they are both great: Hillary and Obama. Let's get a democratic in the White House in November and try to change this country around. The Bush regime has severely damaged the economy, our world-image, and the environment. The war in Iraq was a terrible mistake. This country needs Obama for president.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:20 am |
  22. Cindy

    Terry June 27th, 2008 9:42 pm ET

    Why is everyone so bitter? I am a BO supporter, and just belive he is more qualified than HRC. I frankly don’t believe Bill Clionton did as much as people give him credit for. He inherited a “good economy”. What about NAFTA? And what about Hillary? She was only a first lady, and won the senate due to Bill Clinton cronies! Do you honestly believe she can handle the world stage! The world is sick and tired of the same old people in politics in America! Maybe, just maybe we can atleast get our gas prices lowered with BO!

    Dear Terry,

    This was the first good laugh I had all day. Especially the part about Bill Clinton inheriting a "good economy." Really, you should write stand up.

    Cindy in Texas

    June 28, 2008 at 12:18 am |
  23. James A. Melching

    In the frequetly used word and phrase by Senator Obama,"If you have a notion", it is reverently hoped that he is cooperatiing with Hillary with the full realization that she could be nominated for an Academy Award for Acting , and win hands down. The" ides of March" are swiftly closing in, so we hope Senator Obama is covering his Flanks. Hopefully,he has read excerpts from Julius Ceasar wherein we remind him how fleeting an Actor can change roles to perfection Needless to say, the Clinton are slippery than snot. Beware Obamaa!!! Remember the Maine--remember Lewinsky and all that horendous baggage and stained remnants and revival thereof.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:10 am |
  24. S Callahan

    Some are saying that Obama can't win without Hillary. I disagree, I think he proved to be his own man during the Primary and can carry his weight. With or without Hillary I have intent to cast my vote for Obama because I agree with alot of his views (yes he has them, see his web site). I think our citizens deserve to have their voices heard and hopefully Obama will stick with his convictions and keep the door open to that.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:09 am |
  25. andrea

    I'm another one of Hillary's 18 million supporters who will NEVER vote for BHO.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:08 am |
  26. Nick, Massachusetts

    In response to PDR. I am not sure why you do not trust the Clintons. Maybe its because you are a republican(which speaks for itself), or you do not remember the 90's. I do Remember the 90's, so I happen to be a fan of the Clintons. Another thing to think about is, what if the primary started all over again tomorrow? Hillary Clinton would more than likely win by landslide. Barack Obama needs Hillary, and so do the people of The United States.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:08 am |
  27. Laura

    As a young American, I see Hillary as a huge role model. When she came to my town I had the priviledge of meeting her and was very impressed she listened to everything I had to say with sympathy and interest. Her and Obama have really opened my eyes by preforming the services they do everyday. I'd like to see both of these phenomenal people on the same ticket and as of today that process looks as though it has just begun.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:07 am |
  28. LDM

    I am a Clinton supporter and have been for decades.Her comment that it takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush was and is as true today as it was in 1992.
    I am VERY angry that Dean,the DNC and several democratic bigwigs cheated her out of the nomination. Obama was "selected not elected".I'm not planning on voting for him because I do not feel that he has the knowledge/savvy or experience to even make an adequate president much less a good one.He's a smile wide and an inch deep.
    He can NOT win in November without the support of Clinton's 18 million votes,so what really does that make him? Elected on Clinton's coattails?

    June 28, 2008 at 12:03 am |
  29. Mary

    gag me. Another Clinton attempt at being famous. She is so old news...if he is smart he will pick and run with a candiate for change–not Bill's excess baggage.

    June 28, 2008 at 12:00 am |
  30. Jamie

    She will ruin his chances at becoming the president of change. We see Hilliary as old world. greedy politics–not change. He needs to dump her or we will vote for John McCain–at least he is experienced and has integrity. No more Clinton dynasty.

    June 27, 2008 at 11:57 pm |
  31. Nick

    The Clintons' egos are far to huge to let their "empire" fall, that's for certain. They will do anything and everything to make sure to stay in the limelight.

    June 27, 2008 at 11:56 pm |
  32. Dave

    Trust vs: Clinton, that is like oil and water, they do not mix. If I were Obama I would be watching teh knife in Hillary's hand as it gets slid between his ribs and watch Bill as he is an expert at the old southern shell game. They make used car salemen look like saints.

    June 27, 2008 at 11:54 pm |
  33. JonRoss

    The Clinton's are more like the late dictators of Romania. Ceaucescu and his wife finally had to be chased out of office and tracked down like dogs and destroyed. That will eventually happen to the Clinton's. They are as brutal and arrogant as the Romanians. Sadly the Obamas are cut out of the same evil mold. If Americans are foolish enough to install these Marxist thugs they will pay a horrible price in blood.

    June 27, 2008 at 11:50 pm |
  34. John R.

    The naysayers notwithstanding, I just can't see how the nation can do without the Clintons, and yes, they are the best at making lemonade out of lemons. You can say what you want about them, but it was under the Clinton Administration that the country enjoyed one of the most prosperous economic periods in American history, with soaring federal surpluses, to boot!

    My litmus test is what former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan, a Republican, had to say about Bill Clinton and I paraphrase: "one of the smartest men I've ever met. He truly wanted to understand the intricacies of the economy." Now let's compare this with the current one in the White House or the current Republican presidential aspirant. Do we have a choice? Let's get real, folks.

    Now, it seems to me that the gracious and politic thing to do is to offer HIllary the vice presidential nomination. If she declines, then it can't be said that she was snuffed, given her remarkable performance in the primaries.

    June 27, 2008 at 11:49 pm |
  35. Russ

    No more Clintons. No more Bushes. Let's PLEASE move on. This woman is as much a "good old boy" as George Bush is, if not more. Don't let the heels fool you. Enough already.

    June 27, 2008 at 11:48 pm |
  36. Laura

    Obama/Clinton '08, I don't see why he wouldn't choose her for his VP. They make a great team.

    June 27, 2008 at 11:46 pm |
  37. Bobby J.

    Any Clinton supporters who would go with McCain over Obama must have their heads planted firmly in their nether regions! Yes, McCain will bring us change, just as Bush would do if he could be handed another four years: gas will get higher, the middle class will become the lower class, food will become more unaffordable, more young people will die or be mutilated in Iraq, the economy will become even weaker. If those are the changes you want, vote Republican! You can even lose yourself in the supposed social conservatism and terrorist witch hunts and forget all about the games to make the rich cronies richer at your expense.

    I was a big-time Hillary supporter, and I really hated to see her defeated, but when it comes to an alternative, McCain just ain't it! It's just the same as saying that if we can't have Hillary, we might as well hang onto Bush and Cheney. Ewwwwww!

    June 27, 2008 at 11:39 pm |
  38. Dena

    Remember the Bush – Hussein karma? Started out friendly, Hussein was hanged?

    Wait til the Obama – Clinton karma unfolds.

    Had Bush listened, instead of plunging into his karma, dragging all of us with him, we would not be in Iraq.

    History is about to repeat itself. If you think Iraq is ugly, wait a year.

    June 27, 2008 at 11:34 pm |
  39. Frank Stanley

    No matter what they say about Hillary, one day she will be President. I predict that Barack is going to falter come October and it will cost him the presidency. Four more years of Republican crap in Washington, the Democrats will run the next round of primaries in 2012 with only one candidate allowed, Hillary Clinton and she will win in a landslide. Mark my words!

    June 27, 2008 at 11:32 pm |
  40. janie allen

    all that want to vote for mccain please do who cares an when in 8 years when hillary decides to run again ( obama will be a 2 term president) i hope you are around because if you choose to cut your nose off to spite your face go ahead its your face...your family and your uneducated decision that put you and your family futher in the hole.

    June 27, 2008 at 11:30 pm |
  41. Mary

    Obama is setting his self up for being put in a position that he will have to seriously consider Hillary for VP. I don't believe for a minute that Sen. Clinton is for real it is not possible and rightfully so President Clinton is expressing true feeling anyone of us would have the democracts expect too much. Hillary is not looking for money she wants and should have the Vice President and nothing less.

    June 27, 2008 at 11:19 pm |
  42. janie allen

    bill where are you.. to upset to stand up with our presidential nominee? i believe he needs a can of get over it and MAN UP. seems to me it's a hillary show she knows she wants to hold on to her political career he doesn't care. its a sad state of affairs when a man sends his woman out to collect money from another man to pay off his and her debt while he sits at home waiting for her to come home with the money......back in the day for those of you that knows nothing about that type of conduct it was what the pimp did to his working ladies ....sent them out to get the money while he sat home an waited for her to come home..............sad....pitiful. you lost bill man up the longer you duck an hide the more we see you for what you really are....

    June 27, 2008 at 11:18 pm |
  43. Teresa

    The good "ole" boys of the democratic party really showed themselves for what they are. From the discussion of her attire in debates to the re-assignment of her elected delegates to another candidate, she was underminded both subtlely and outright.
    Anything to avoid having a female as the next president.

    As a well educated female who has dealt with the same tactics through most of my professional life, it is clear that we have not "come a long way baby". It is more of the same sexist crap! I am a loyal democrat or was. Not anymore and I will make sure that my daughters understand what happened in this election. We (women) are not blind to the tactics that were used to undermine Senator Clinton.

    To the good "ole" boys network, I cannot support Obama's candidacy. Put that in your pipe and smoke it! Unless she is the VP candidate, I will vote McCain.

    June 27, 2008 at 11:05 pm |
  44. r.meeks

    All I have been hearing and often seeing is the people who want to talkabout Obamas' rev and pastor. Yes it may have been a little off for a religious leader but come on people, You act as if Obama was standing right there in the pullpit with him holding his hand. As far as Senator Hillary, shes' a very appealing person to have on the squad, and Presidential Obama helping her out, cmon ....... " EvenTrade"
    The best thing to do people is help us Dems. get together to squash the bug by voting on election day.....Know what I mean?

    June 27, 2008 at 10:55 pm |
  45. Jake

    Annie Kate says the Clinton's aren't called the "comeback kids" for nothing. She is right if her sentence ends with kids. They aren't called that at all.

    He was the comeback kid. A long time ago. When we didn't know what the definition of "is" was. She didn't come back. She lost. She lays claim to 18 million votes. Which apparently she paid a buck apiece for, even after financing her campaign, since she is more than 18 million in debt. I think she will continue to be a very visible junior senator from New York because she was, after all, a president's wife; and, she is certainly controversial enough so that 24 hour cable news stations, with 2 hours of actual news to cover, can use her to fill part of that extra 22 hours of time with.

    But, "comeback kids", I think not. They ain't coming back. As John Kennedy said, "The torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans". And that is as it should be. My generation, the generation of the Clintons and Bush 43, has done quite enough damage, thank you.

    It is time for real change. And there is no real change in patronizing the sad old guard. My hope is that senator Obama is the real deal he presents himself to be. We need real change. Drastic change. The real question is, is it so broken that it cannot be fixed. The future of America awaits the answer.

    June 27, 2008 at 10:48 pm |
  46. Donna Hughes

    I know hillary has to make nice with obama if she stays in the Democratic Party. Bill Clinton doesn't owe him any thing. I read all the blogs from Obama Supporters. I wish the Clintons would go independent as I think they were stabbed in the back by the party. And another thing I will vote for McCain. Not because I loved Hillary. I voted for her as I thought she had the most experience. Other than talk I know nothing about Obama. I see a side of him that scares me. So go ahead and get nasty with me. You helped me make up my mind to leave the Democratic Party with all your nastiness.

    June 27, 2008 at 10:45 pm |
  47. Jeffrey

    Everyone needs to remember that the two have virtually the same position on every major issue. Most of the debates got so boring because one who followed basically repeated what the other said. People care deeply about the election and about their candidates but when all is said and done, personalities aside, they're the same.

    As for those who would vote for McCain, I have to echo the sentiments of previous posters. It would be more of the same. It would be voting against your best interest and the interest of Democrats and what they stand for. A Democratic president and Congress would finally end the gridlock and help us achieve the goals that benefit the middle class and underprivileged.

    June 27, 2008 at 10:40 pm |
  48. dennis from texas

    1/2 votes all the way fix it before it breaks ask florida ask michigan and the nominee is the least qualified....but a promising talker ... hillary 2012

    June 27, 2008 at 10:26 pm |
  49. Joe B. from Greensboro, NC

    I am a republican who supported every republican president and I did vote for Bush, that was a mistake I am living with right now. I am going to vote for a democrat for the first time in my life and that is Barack Obama, I will donate and work on his campaign on this upcoming election. You democrats need to get your house in order because I cannot understand how you think McCain is a better candidate then Obama since Hillary did not get the nomination. At least you got one of the two best candidates from your primary running in the general election and us republicans got the worst of our candidates. My pick was Ron Paul because he would run this country on his terms not George Bush's terms like McCain will. So I as you Democrats think with your heads and hearts, not your hatred. This country will fall on its face if McCain is elected and as a former combat disable Marine Corp veteran I cannot let that happen to the country I love and served and would serve again and die for if needed.

    June 27, 2008 at 10:21 pm |
  50. Bryan

    As a registered Democrat and Hillary supporter I will only vote Democrat if Hillary is on the ticket.

    My Republican vote would not be against Obama but against the outrageous actions of the Democratic Party and it's leaders.

    June 27, 2008 at 10:20 pm |
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