June 27th, 2008
04:51 PM ET

The Fall…and Rise of the Clinton Empire

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Tom Foreman | BIO
AC360° Correspondent

Just when you thought it was safe to watch political news again, take a look at those pictures of her and Obama standing hand in hand, and brace yourselves, Hillary haters.

All of you out there who are celebrating because her campaign is over, all of you who danced in your living rooms when she made her concession speech, all of you who said “Finally, the era of the Clintons is over.”

And all of you whose hearts were broken by her defeat; raise your eyes.

Because many political watchers here in DC are convinced Hillary Clinton is emerging from this election stronger than she went in, despite her loss... And they’ve got about 18 million reasons to think that way. 18 million voters chose her over Barack Obama. Think about that. Even in a country as large as ours, that is a staggering number of people, and in Washington that translates into clout. In every state where she won big, elected Democrats took notice. Now watch what happens. When those Dems are seeking re-election or grappling with big issues, odds are her name will be riding high on their Outlook contacts list.

All that cheerleading she is doing for Obama, brings some spoils of war with it. Insiders say former Clinton staff workers are taking new positions within Camp Obama every day. Her biggest supporters and donors are slowly stepping up to shake his hand. She is walking alongside him, and with every step she is gaining influence, respect, and power in the next administration if Obama wins the White House.

If she had lost badly, she would be scrabbling around for crumbs. But she played him to a near tie in the popular vote, and that is something that no one in the Democratic Party dares to ignore. If Democrats want to beat the Republicans, (and they do!) they suspect the Clinton Seal of Approval must be stamped on a fair amount of all that happens until November.

Because with that seal (and forgive me for bringing up the now sensitive subject of seals) comes access to the Clinton political machine; top level operatives who know how to rally support in the states where Obama did not connect so well, and with constituencies that he makes uneasy: Latinos, older working class voters, and some women. With Clinton approval comes experience in running a general election campaign against the Republicans; remember, Obama has never done that before and primary battles, like the one he just waged, are wholly different affairs. And with Clinton approval comes the former president, Bill Clinton. It is not yet clear, precisely, what role he will play, and considering all the kerfuffle he raised around his wife’s campaign, Obama may be understandably cautious about how he is deployed…but it is certainly better for Obama to have him on his side.

Make no mistake about it, Obama won the nomination. He came from absolutely nowhere to knock off a sure winner (that would be her,) and stun the Washington power players. He’s not about to give her a co-presidency now. Even all that talk of a Vice Presidential slot has grown muted.

But Hillary Clinton is, as it seems the Clintons always do, rapidly turning her defeat into political cabbage; chopping it ten different ways, slathering it with the sauce of consolation, rearranging it on the Capitol platter, and guess who looks like she is eating steak again?

18 million voters have a way of sweetening the deal for any politician, whether or not he or she ultimately wins the race.

The Clinton Empire over? The political oracles in DC are whispering: Don’t bet on it.

Editor's note: See Tom anchor This Week in Politics saturday 6PM and Sunday 2PM ET. This week, a special edition: The Clintons: what's next?

Filed under: Barack Obama • Hillary Clinton • Raw Politics • Tom Foreman
soundoff (163 Responses)
  1. Mary Margaret

    I am fed up with the Clintons but I am more fed up with all this brouhaha promoted by the media – all of the media. This country is in trouble on all fronts. Make a choice people – the choice is between McCain and another four years of guaranteed Republican corruption and lies or the chance for something better. I have no sympathy with people who say "I am afraid."

    June 27, 2008 at 10:18 pm |
  2. Robby

    I believe HIllary' is supporting Obama and she's doing an admirable job of it. She recognizes that the democratic race is over and that she must still move forward. She's not the type of person to sit back and whine about what could have been. Do you think the typical woman on the street could have made it as far as she has? She makes the most of what life throws at her and doesn't give up, how can you not respect her for that? The Clintons are here to stay, What scares you so much that you want to see them gone? It sounds like you are secretly afraid that Obama can't stand on his own two feet. But to me, Obama has proven that he's his own man. He won against all odds. So what does he have to lose by accepting their help? If you support Obama, then stop working against him. Like it or not, he needs her help. This is more than about the election, it's about the strength and unity he needs once he is elected. He can't follow thru on his promises if he doesn't have strong support behind him once in office.

    June 27, 2008 at 10:11 pm |
  3. Marla OK

    Senator Obama is too far left and I consider him a socialist. I consider Senator Clinton to be a more moderate Democrat. I can not support the socialist. What he says and what he will do are two different things. He wants Clinton supporters so he is pandering again.

    June 27, 2008 at 10:07 pm |
  4. bond

    Get the Obama food tasters ready!

    June 27, 2008 at 9:45 pm |
  5. Tim


    I have always believe that the Clintons should not be ignored. Her fights are also good fights, since her constituency of women, working class people, the elderly, and the people in the health care industry(the nurses, doctors and other staffers)- and the children and future generations- represents the good battles that all democrats believe in and will fight for.

    So she cannot be ignored. She's part of the partnership that Obama and the Democrats should have, let it be in the Senate, or as part of the administration, if Sen. Obama wins in November, of course.

    Let it be heard that Democrats must respect the Clintons and recognize their efforts. And their dreams are shared by all Democrats, and so it will be led by Sen. Obama, if he's elected, with Sen. Clinton and President Clinton beside him.

    June 27, 2008 at 9:44 pm |
  6. Terry

    Why is everyone so bitter? I am a BO supporter, and just belive he is more qualified than HRC. I frankly don't believe Bill Clionton did as much as people give him credit for. He inherited a "good economy". What about NAFTA? And what about Hillary? She was only a first lady, and won the senate due to Bill Clinton cronies! Do you honestly believe she can handle the world stage! The world is sick and tired of the same old people in politics in America! Maybe, just maybe we can atleast get our gas prices lowered with BO!

    June 27, 2008 at 9:42 pm |
  7. Esbee

    Hillary will be back

    You can't keep the good ones down.

    June 27, 2008 at 9:35 pm |
  8. Gina

    CNN is definately infatuated with the Clintons. It is llike a unhealthy relationship that one does not have the self esteem to let go of. The media cannot stop talking about Senator Clinton even though Senator Obama is the nominee. So be it....after all she is the most powerful woman in Washington. So she was hard on him during the campain......Whaaaa! Get over it Hillary Haters. It made Senator Obama man up. The Clintons are here to stay.....and Senator Obama needs her. I didn't really care for her in the beggining, but she has definately earned my respect during her campain. I am one of those 18 million voters. I am not sure who I am voting for yet in November. Undecided. Senator Obama's foreign policy views scare me. I can't see him as Commander in Chief.

    June 27, 2008 at 9:23 pm |
  9. Chris in FL

    I am one of the 18 Million strong in our PUMA coalition. We will not support Obama and the party that "selected" him. It's not just women who will not fall in line behind this sham of a primary. The rules committee counted us as 50% – watch them get 0% in November. Hillary is not out yet. Obama will have another major blunder in this campaign and folks will be so glad Hillary didn't release her delagates. HELLO DENVER!!!

    June 27, 2008 at 9:17 pm |
  10. Barbara

    The party should show unity. The race is over, Obama is the one
    chosen so HC supporters should do all they can to assure he is the
    one elected. As far as who is best for the country in Nov., we the voters need to listen to Obama and McCain during the coming months, search the internet, review how they voted on issues in the
    sen., dig as if we were doing a major term paper and then maybe
    we will truly elect someone who will be a good president.

    June 27, 2008 at 9:13 pm |
  11. Beverlee in Las Vegas

    It is obvious that those who are able to switch from Hillary to John McCain are not Democrats; they see this election about themselves, picking up their toys and running to the corner to suck their thumbs and pout because they didn’t get their way—now they say, “I’ll show you all, I will vote for John McCain, so there!” How do you believe in what HIllary believes in, then vote for McCain? Truly a mystery. I supported Hillary, was a delegate to my state’s convention for her because I believe in her and what she stands for. There is no way I can take that belief and hand it over to John McCain.

    June 27, 2008 at 9:12 pm |
  12. Christopher in TN

    I really can't understand all the bitterness of Clinton supporters. Any sane person who would support Clinton and then vote for McBush out of spite needs to go to time out!

    June 27, 2008 at 8:59 pm |
  13. Linda/Michigan

    Yes, you are right. Obama won the nomination. But how? Not by the people but by the super delegates.I voted for Hillary Clinton and like a fool I thought my vote would count.
    Much to my surprise, politicians (delegates) decided who they would like in the White House and I had no say.
    When are we going to get rid of this outdated system and let the peoples voices be heard?

    June 27, 2008 at 8:59 pm |
  14. AnnieB

    Why would anyone want to CHANGE the greatest country in the world? What is wrong with you people? And for all the Clinton haters out there...he got that idea from a speech Bill gave back years ago about change. Just about everything he says comes from one of the Clintons at some time or another. Why can't this man come up with anything on his own? And someone said Michelle Obama is a reminder of Jackie Kennedy! HARDLY! That is one of the most stupid remarks I've ever heard. Maybe Shirley Q Liquor or Watusi Jenkins, but never Jackie Kennedy!

    June 27, 2008 at 8:57 pm |
  15. Ann

    The Clinton empire is far from over (thank God). Us 18 million are still depending on her. The convention is not here yet and he cannot win the general election anyway. If something happens between now and then, we still may see Hillary in there. All he has to do is keep talking or things about him keep coming out. Besides, not only will he not get us 18 million, he may lose some of his own votes by then. He's not a real upstanding citizen and he has really radical associates. Most of us DO NOT trust him....especially with our country.

    June 27, 2008 at 8:49 pm |
  16. Annie Kate

    The Clintons aren't called the "comeback kids" for nothing. Hillary is a class act and a tireless worker and sincerely cares about America and Americans. Why else put yourself through a grueling campaign if you didn't believe in your vision for the country? Hopefully, Hillary's time will come and she will be President one day – but if it doesn't Chelsea looks like a winner too.

    Annie Kate
    Birmingham AL

    June 27, 2008 at 8:47 pm |
  17. Cindy

    I am one of Hillary's 18 million supporters and I will not be voting for Obama. Not out of bitterness or emotion or any of the other things the MSM and Obama supporters want to write my opinion off as, but because I don't think he is qualified.

    June 27, 2008 at 8:45 pm |
  18. Mikey

    Obama/Clinton '08 You know it!

    June 27, 2008 at 8:36 pm |
  19. lampe

    I am one of Sen. Clintons 18 million supporters, we are still out here and we are getting stronger everyday. You may think we have all just went running to Obama , but we haven't, we are smarter than you are we are not about to put all of our business on the internet like all of you do. Sen. and Pres. Clinton deserve alot more respect than they are getting from the Obama supporters,so please do us a really big favor keep it up, It just is going to make our voting for Sen. McCain that much more easier come Nov. Revenge will taste oh so sweet.

    June 27, 2008 at 8:16 pm |
  20. marge

    what amess this country is in now ! Put those 2 in and it will be a lot worse ! We will be told what we can have and what we cannot have ! As soon as the election is over perosi will say we can drill any where. we sure do not need 2 liberal people like hillary and obamba , All i can say is GOD HELP US !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    June 27, 2008 at 8:10 pm |
  21. Denise

    People, people, people, get over it. There was no more sexism than there was racism. I am glad that both Obama and Hillary are working hard to find common ground and move the agenda forward. If those people who are haters on both sides, remind themselves what this is really about for all of us Americans, you will put your petty feelings aside, and work hard to elect Obama. You know what you are getting with McCain: someone who states foreign policy experience (but do your research folks, go on the internet – he really doesn't have the experience he talks about), and absolutely no experience with anything else except voting 95% of the time with George Bush. So, pick your battles, suck it up, and then move forward.

    June 27, 2008 at 8:08 pm |
  22. LEH

    We are not bitter–those who refuse to support Obama. We just simply do NOTbelieve that Obama will make a good president. He may become President—but at least we can say we were NOT duped.

    This is not about the Democratic Party. This is not about defying unity. This is about principles. This is remaining honest to ourselves. McCain is acceptable in terms of his stance on immigration, the Iraq war (if you listen to the full text of his much distorted "100-year stay" statement) and grounded view of life and possibly style of governing. As opposed to the soaring rhetoric and overhyped promise of an empty Obama presidency ...

    June 27, 2008 at 8:04 pm |
  23. dimitri

    I write everywhere in all the blogs. You are right Tom. She has power and she knows it. i'm out one of 18 millions that are supporting her and i'm not a woman. Mr obama knows it and tactically he is showing that he is an astute politician. Politics is a power showdown and if Hillary wants the VP she will get it because she has a constituency behind her and no other vp candidate has it. Bill Clinton knows it and he will do necessary to prove to obama that he is a team player . Do not ever underestimate the former president ability to understand that his wife aspirations to be vice president shoud outweigh any personal feelings or grudges that he carries against Obama.I Know that Obama's followers do not like to hear statements like that as well as my co clinton followers need to chill out about going to Mc cain and look at the big Picture. Mr Obama won because he was a better strategist but his political power strenght in our political system as of now is not better than Hillary's. The press loves to press on the fact Mrs Clinton will not be a good soldier behind Obama 's presidency but ,as any astute politician, she knows that her road to damascus goes through obama as his goes trough Chappaqua.

    June 27, 2008 at 8:03 pm |
  24. Betty mcNeil

    i8 million voters are still mad as hell that the Democratic "good ole boys" and the media handed the nomination to a virtual unknown with so little experience .Obama's only political triumph was to beat Alan Keyes...Obama belongs in Hollywood not in the Whitehouse.
    The Democrats will soon regret how they betrayed the Clintons...and infuriated the women of America by their blatant sexism.

    June 27, 2008 at 8:00 pm |
  25. Christine

    A class act like like the Hillary Clinton brand will never go into oblivion.
    That is just wishful thinking on the part of her sad oppressors.

    I am one of 18 million and I have donated my entire paycheck to her on behalf of myself and my husband. We are just regular folk. We recognise decency when we see it and we see it in Hillary.

    Wake up America..... Fresh is only good when it is regarding Milk and produce.

    June 27, 2008 at 7:40 pm |
  26. Susan

    They make a super team. If Obama picks Hillary for VP, the two can pull their supporters together & win!!

    Go Obama/Hillary 08!!

    June 27, 2008 at 7:40 pm |
  27. Fred PUMA in San Diego

    The Clinton Empire is hardly over. Hillary will Rise and be a huge thorn in your hateful backsides – she is a true class act unlike YOU know WHO.

    Watch out for Chelsea Clinton !!!
    We will be waiting patiently for her to grow up.

    Why are Obama followers so hateful ? Is that a preview of the Obama brand ?

    June 27, 2008 at 7:31 pm |
  28. pd

    18 million votes ? Does that include Puerto Rico which has no electoral value? i think so.
    What about Florida and or MIchigan?
    Included in there too?
    Here's something to chew on- in the Democratic primary since there are states that have caucuses instead of or in the case of Texas, in addition to the regular primaries, popular vote counts cannot be accurately tallied.
    This is one of the reasons that by the rules- its a delegate count and not the popular vote count. The vote tally, while impressive for BOTH candidates should not be used to claim Hillary got more popular votes since that metric is not accurately measured and since too in terms of the general election, the popular votes in a place like Puerto Rico is entirely irrelevant.

    June 27, 2008 at 7:31 pm |
  29. Wayne

    Her power and influence are overstated. The Democratic Primary was set up for her to win and yet she lost. She lost 11 consecutive contests by an average margin of 33%. The voters clearly want Obama. Also, a vast majority of those who voted for Clinton are not "Clinton voters" as you put it. They are DEMOCRATS. She does not own them. In fact, a majority of those who voted for Clinton have pledged their support for Obama now. Those voters who are not Democrats but are true Clinton loyalists are much smaller in number. Her tactics during the campaign were deplorable. She got a lot of votes but she LOST the popular vote. All of her calculations of winning the popular vote have Obama getting ZERO votes out of one more or more states either by not counting caucus states or giving him ZERO votes in Michigan. Since neither are true the candidate, that just a year or so ago no one had heard of recieved 18M+ votes over a candidate who had been in the public eye for over a decade. That feat is truly amazing. The Clinton/Bush era of American politics is finally over after 28 years. The Obama era has begun.

    June 27, 2008 at 7:29 pm |
  30. Janet from Fl

    justobserve, you must be for Obama. Only they would slam Hillary like that. I am here to say I am one of those 18 million and a part of the women who will never vote for Obama and by the way I have donated.
    You guys are fools. Obama will sink our country. There is no unity here.

    June 27, 2008 at 7:25 pm |
  31. len

    Smart assessment. Today Hillary Clinton is the most powerful woman in America. That she can turn her PUMAs over to Obama however is not assured, only that they will continue to back her.

    Gergen was right. If it goes to August with Obama at single digits, he will be praying she will take the VP slot. If not, she is still the power he needs in the Senate. This gets ever more interesting.

    June 27, 2008 at 7:24 pm |
  32. AHerbert; San Diego, CA

    It is great to see Obama and Hillary together! They will unite the party and he will be our next President. What ever role Hillary plays in the White House ... the choice is Obama. I do expect it will be a wonderful position. I think secretary of Health would be perfect; as long as she is a cabinet member I am good and I am sure her supporters will be happy!

    June 27, 2008 at 7:19 pm |
  33. Jeffery James

    They have my vote from Wisconsin. It is indeed time for change and I like both of them. I really think that historians will look back on our current President Bush and remember him as our absolute worst president ever. I am so glad it is time for change.

    June 27, 2008 at 7:19 pm |
  34. Don

    Hillary fought a great battle and lost. That has to be very tough and disheartenting realizing that she thought she was a sure winner when she started. Little did her campaign know that America wanted change and they found it in Barack. For her own sake and for the sake of Obama and the Democratic party, she really had no choice but to throw her support behind Obama. Is her heart in it? I think not but she is going through the motions. Will she be Obama's VP? I think not and he would be wise to look elsewhere. I agree that America has not heard the last from Hillary. She will continue to move up the ladder, may even accept a position in Obama's cabinet and then run for president after he leaves office in 8 years. And Bill? He needs to take a long vacation in a far away land. This year he has severely tarnish the good he did while serving as President. Never have I seen an ex-president act like he did during the campaign. I was a disgrace. Now if Hillary can put him in a closet somewhere she can move on and up when the time is right!

    June 27, 2008 at 7:13 pm |
  35. Scott

    Anyone who thinks Hillary's time is over and she's going to go away are in for a big surprise. I wouldn't bet against a VP slot for her.

    June 27, 2008 at 7:11 pm |
  36. frieda

    The " CHANGE" we all can "believe in", happens to be no change at all.

    it's shows that Obama is not a strong enough candidate who can pull this thing off without the "old washington insiders" ..the ones he is trying so hard to put them down.

    Just amazing...

    June 27, 2008 at 7:02 pm |
  37. Curtis

    When Hillary is picked as the next V.P., The media will be so into covering the "dream team", the average american will forget that Mc Cain is even part of this process. The average V.P. has been used to carry certain states or parts of america like the south. How many states can 18 million loyal voters carry ?

    June 27, 2008 at 6:22 pm |
  38. CaseyJPS - California

    A picture is worth a thousand words. I don't want to get overly warm and fuzzy but, on the surface, that picture of the two of them is very cool. This is how I would like the world to see us (before we move in for the kill).

    June 27, 2008 at 6:14 pm |
  39. Babs

    Oh my oh my... Obama – Hillary Rocks... oh give me a flipping break... she ran her campaign into 22million in debt... he wants to help her get that down a bit and he gives a check... Yep... politics as usual – he needs her to win.. but what will the fianl price be... Healthcare – supreme court justice, unfortunatley our choices are limited to what we have, and don't bet for a moment either care for the working poor... Obama, who I was leaning toward is now talking out of both sides of his mouth... what will he say.. oh they are taking it out of context.... how about if CNN starts to print all the answerd he has given on healthcare, the Iraq war, the US dollar... lets see how many times his words have change... do the same for McCain and of course Hillary.. don't let her out of the issue, she was dodging bullets getting off a plane in a war zone... whoops footage shows a sunny day and she didn't hit the tarmat once... oh she said, I may not have remembered that correclty.. or something to that effect. Ya think... Yep she rocks all the way to the bank....she by no means needs a tag day... maybe she should reduce her expenses and move to smaller home.... or move in with her daughter... times are tough you see.

    June 27, 2008 at 6:12 pm |
  40. MD

    Drawing inferences such as those in this article are statistically incorrect. It is a giant leap to predict that if Hillary ever runs for Presidentagain, she will have the same success. This time, her "success" was more due who she was running against than to her personally. Look at her "supporters." Older people, less educated, rural whites made up the majority of her votes. This is more testament to the fact that race still matters a great deal in this country than Hillary Clinton was "loved" by all who voted for her.

    Many millions must have thought of Hillary as "least f two evils." There is no guarantee that should she run against a whilte male, she would fare as well.

    The Clinton Empire is clearly over, more because of Bill than Hillary. The Brass of the Democratic Party must know of the skeltons in the Clintons' closet to have so openly thrown their weight behind Barack Obama from the start. The Clintons are now reduced to supporting cast.

    Disclosure: I am a white male, formerly Republican, who have been for Obama after Clinton's 3 a.m. ad, and after it became clear that McCane will be the Republican nominee.

    June 27, 2008 at 6:08 pm |
  41. Mary R. (Texas)

    If the Clintons were not in politics it would be a very boring world!!! Look for Hillary to run in 2012 because Obama will not win in November.

    Bill & Hillary are brilliant people – let them work their magic on the good ole US of A!!!!! We need them – they really care about this country......

    Hillary 08!!!

    June 27, 2008 at 6:03 pm |
  42. Larisa

    Hillary certainly deserves the recognition as a big power in this election and Democratic party. As a VP she would definitely make democratic ticket much stronger. But the big question is how Barak Obama would deal with the next 4 years (if he wins the presidency) with Bill Clinton in the picture. So I don't think it will happen. Nevertheless, all Hilary's "haters" and "strong supporters" threatening to vote for McCain should think very hard. And also, if Obama and Clinton can work out the good basics for working together in any capacity, it will only benefit the country. Women in general are more practical then men, so put together Obama's inspiration and Clinton's practicality and there is the hope that we really can get out of the pitiful state our economy and stand in the world is now thanks to 8 years of Bush "leadership"

    June 27, 2008 at 5:55 pm |
  43. Jon

    Look at them...they look great together. I sincerely hope Obama selects Clinton as his running mate. What a way to unify the party.

    Obama/Clinton '08!!!!!

    June 27, 2008 at 5:55 pm |
  44. Betty Ann, Nacogdoches,TX

    Hi Tom,
    Ok you've got my attention. As a Hillary supporter, I am so excited about the union, or hopeful union.
    I just don't think he can win without HER.
    Thanks for the positive info. I'll be watching tonight for more "sugar" from the dynamic duo!
    Thanks and have a great week-end!

    June 27, 2008 at 5:53 pm |
  45. justobserve

    "18 million voters"? WHERE ARE THEY NOW? I doubt that she has more than one million now. Look at her debt: if 18 million voters are still there for her, they only need to donate two bucks each and she would have been free of debts. But they are not there for her now! Her influence is overrated and it seem people just repeated the spin. The Clintons can raise from the ash but voters are now sick of dirty antics , spins and lies. Her failure is a sign of the change of times. It was UNTHINKABLE JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.

    June 27, 2008 at 5:47 pm |
  46. JC- Los Angeles

    As a registered, undecided independent, I found Hillary's unwavering desire to be the Democratic nominee refreshing. She was relentless and voracious in her campaign which earned her a lot of new admirers if not the nomination. It was like watching a prize fight that lasted fifteen rounds. Although many thought it might not go the distance, the outcome was close with the winner looking anything but unanimous or unscathed. In reality, the winner often took a defensive posture when confronted with the likes of Rev. Wright and Rev. Pfleger; looked meek when trying to explain his associations; and often listless when trying too hard to get the American people to buy into his incomprehensible rhetoric. Although 18 million people helped make this a split decison, Hillary is doing her legacy a great disservice by asking Obama to be a sugar daddy and pay off her debts. Once Obama's check clears, I'm confident that Bill will reappear and the gloves will come off once again.

    June 27, 2008 at 5:46 pm |
  47. Vicki, Long Island, NY


    I think it's great that Hillary and Obama are working together side by side. Oh yes, they know what they are doing... You got two very intelligent people. They both are working on an agenda.. And that agenda is put a Democrat in the White House.

    I also admire how they are showing the American people and the younger generation that even though you can debate real hard and were opponents, you can still work together for a common goal. I respect both of them and they are definitely both great role models to me.

    But you got to love those Clintons, they know how to always make lemons into lemonade. Who knows what the future will bring –lemonade stands.

    June 27, 2008 at 5:43 pm |
  48. Liar Liar Pants on Fire


    Everyone talks about 18 million voters. That was "at that time". This doesn't mean that tomorrow there will be 18 million voters. There was once enough votes for Bush, now he goes down in history as the most hated President.

    The tale of the 18 million is only as good as the day the votes were made.

    June 27, 2008 at 5:42 pm |
  49. PDR

    I do not trust the Clintons..not one bit. If she is so supportive of Barack then she should hand over her delegates too.. he pays off debt..he gets delegates. I think the convention will be very interesting. I hope Barack doesn't end up being screwed over by the Clintons.

    June 27, 2008 at 5:40 pm |
  50. Cindy

    I agree with you. No matter what you just can not keep a Clinton down! Even in defeat Hillary has clamored up and still gets as much press if not more than Obama and McCain. She will be a big time player in the senate I am sure. And who knows, in 4 years she may take another stab at the presidency.


    June 27, 2008 at 5:32 pm |
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