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May 28th, 2008
12:31 PM ET

About those Michigan and Florida delegates...

Candy Crowley
CNN Senior Political Correspondent

Important things to note about Michigan and Florida delegates:

  1. More important than how many delegates are seated from Michigan and Florida is how many are seated for whom. The party staff memo is neutral on this subject. It will be decided in Saturday’s meeting. Hillary won both states so she clearly hopes more will be seated for her so she can get closer (though she will not surpass) Obama in elected pledged delegates to strengthen her argument to superdelegates that she should be nominee.
  2. The internal democratic party memo (to be used as the parameters of Saturday’s discussion) says that party rules AUTOMATICALLY punish rule-breaking states by voiding AT LEAST 50 percent of the delegates. Currently 100 percent of the delegates have been disallowed by rules committee. The party staff memo found that to be legal under party rules. But everyone agrees the 100 percent punishment will not stand. The 50 percent punishment is "most likely” according to two members of rules and bylaws committee (one Hillary backer another an Obama backer)... But whole committee decides Saturday.
  3. A 50 percent reduction in delegates could mean half the delegates from Michigan and Florida would not go to Denver or all delegates will go and get half a vote.

And finally, from the beginning everyone knew that these delegations would be seated in some fashion. Party can’t afford to alienate two delegate rich states.

Flight attendant giving evil eye–that’s all from Vegas... Will attempt Obama reaction in Colorado.


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  1. luc

    Hillary knew exactly and went along with the DNC ban before the elections. Only when Hillary realized that they were in desperate need
    of the MI and FL delegates, Hillary started the battle to have all the votes from MI and FL counted.

    Rules are rules. Democracies are based on people observing their rules. Only people accustomed to disregard them can flip and flop, twist and turn and use every possible human being to their purpose like the Clintons. Americans deserves much better. In this difficult time, when we really need straight talk and being united, how can we afford the distracting, divisive and polarizing Clintons?

    Why DNC needs to decide the representation of MI and FL before June 3, when all the States will have voted?

    As a 60-years old white feminist who has done many battles, I cannot recognize myself in Hillary Clinton, who symbiotically achieved most of her positions, and certainly I do not recognize myself with the lies and manipulations she and Bill use.

    SUPERDELEGATES, PLEASE, VOTE AND SUPPOT OBAMA.

    May 28, 2008 at 10:26 pm |
  2. Ken

    Hillary is trying to CHANGE every rule she can to steal this from Senator Obama ! The super delegates need to put an end to this and SEND HER HOME NOW ! She is looking so Pathetic. There is no place for her on the Obama ticket. How can you advocate change and have her with all her baggage involved? If they don't stop this SOON, I and many others here in Michigan will be supporting McCain. Being from Michigan I am in FULL SUPPORT of 1/2 the delegates and super delegates. They broke the rules and rules need to be enforced. The so called Democratic Leaders here in Michigan (What a JOKE!) are continuing to try and deliver for Hillary by using the one-sided results from the January primary that they forced on us. The Democratic Party here in Michigan has done so much harm to the Party by their crooked tatics. It will take them years to recover !

    May 28, 2008 at 9:42 pm |
  3. Annie Kate

    I'll be glad when Michigan and Florida are resolved and hopefully this will at least not continue to be an issue. This campaign has certainly had a lot of distractions along the way – seems like both candidates have feet of clay. That said, I hope this helps Clinton – she has more experience even if you just count her Senate experience. Anderson did a special called Extreme Challenges to show some of the issues we would face in the next administration – those issues need someone with experience to resolve them.

    Annie Kate
    Birmingham AL

    May 28, 2008 at 9:41 pm |
  4. Jan from Wood Dale IL

    Just a couple of points to remember:

    There are several newspaper and media accounts of Clinton stating as far back as Jan. 25, 2008 that she would work hard to see that the MI and FL delegations somehow get seated. Please note: that was BEFORE the FL primary took place.

    How does one explain the record turnouts in both MI and FL primaries? In the MI primary in 2004, only 163,769 voted. In MI in 2008, 592,261 voted. In the FL primary in 2004, 753,762 voted. In FL in 2008, 1,737,197 voted.

    Other than getting Howard Dean's shorts in a knot, was there any harm in MI and FL voting when they did? For those of you who did not vote, you knew the polls would be open and you still had the option to CAST a vote. Please try to respect those who wanted a chance to be heard.

    And just a little bit of documented history, back in 2004 Obama chose NOT to support the Democratic challenge to the results in the state of Ohio during the presidential election. Democratics said that bad voting machines (remember the DIEBOLD fiasco) and improper voter registration policies threw the close election to Bush. By choosing not to support the Party's challenge, Obama turned his back on the African American communities of Ohio and thousands who were disenfranchised through the voting process in Ohio.

    May 28, 2008 at 9:10 pm |
  5. suki

    I am a Florida voter, who knew going into the voting booth that our delegates wouldn't be seated but I voted anyway – all the candidates knew this and accepted this – now Clinton because she is losing is making a big deal about these primaries – if Obama were losing now and not Hillary she would be standing there saying well we knew the delegates wouldn't be sitted so there is nothing to talk about – this has only become an issue because Clinton is desperate

    May 28, 2008 at 8:17 pm |
  6. Carmelita

    Hi Candy,

    Although I live in Canada, watching CNN is my nightly ritual. I must say that since the election I have followed the democratic party, because it seems the more exciting party.

    With a woman candidate and a black man running for the presidency it appears that American has woken up out of a deep slumber. I personally believe that the race is this exciting because of these two individuals.

    With that said, one can Hope that the DNC will have the Audacity to bring about Change and seat the F& M delegates fairly.

    To give the Clintons all the votes would be unfair, perhaps a lesson should be thought that as adults, we must abide by the same rules we try to instill in the younger generation. we must be held accountable for our actions.

    Take care and lets hope that there will indeed be fairness awarded all around.

    PEACE
    Carmelita

    May 28, 2008 at 7:38 pm |
  7. Beverly

    Amal Gabriel, I hope you are not as dicouraging as you sound of your children's dreams. I bet Bill Gates' parents though the same thing when he dropped out of college to putter around with computers in their garage. No need to tell you how that turned out. I would prefer a president with ideals that one who thinks it her right.

    May 28, 2008 at 7:24 pm |
  8. SC Gal

    Senator Obama is acting very unPresidential.

    He is fighting the process of having the delegates and voters seated.

    Clinton is fighting for the people of these two states.

    How could any American not want these votes counted?
    Why didn't Obama demand to have a revote like Hillary did?

    According to Donna Brazille on May 6, 2008k, she told the panel that they have overturned a DNC ruling on a prior occassion.

    Why not now?
    Doesn't she think that having American voices heard important or is she fighting for Obama?

    Don't the Democrats understand that Florida and Michigan will not vote for the candidate that doesn't give them full recognition of their votes. Is it really worth the risk not to seat these delegates?

    Obama should not stop the people from wanting their voices heard, he should be arguing for them to have their voices heard.

    Otherwise it proves to them, that the only reason he doesn't want them to be heard is that he would lose.

    They won't forget that he is ignoring them in the general election.

    May 28, 2008 at 7:02 pm |
  9. sylvia

    To Amal Gabriel's comment: your children are in collages? Is that an oil or acrylic artwork? If the younger generation in America is indeed pushing the Obama campaign forward, I say 'excellent'. They are the ones who will be left with this country in 20 years, so let them choose their leader. We elders have had our opportunities to color the world and now the 'collage' students will pick up the paint brushes.

    May 28, 2008 at 6:48 pm |
  10. TMill, CA

    Here is the solution..Give Senator Clinton the popular vote. It is not the legal criteria for winning a primary nomination anyway. Then deny the seating of the delegates as the consequence of their party representatives deliberate and blantant disregard for the DNC rules. Their disregard hurt the people of Michigan and Florida. (Although these voters were advised their votes would not count, and they turned out anyway to primarity vote on the Bill 129 on the same ballot concerning potential money in their pockets that the news media outside of Florida just seem to ignore along with the political pundits. At the end of the day these voters should vote those state officials 'out of office'. After this election is over and done with, DNC should change the rules and process to reflect the people's choice and be done with it. Consequences are consequences. 48 States got it right, millions
    of people in 48 States represented. Don't discount them because
    one woman and her spouse want to win at any and all costs at
    the expense of the rights of ALL American voters. Give her the popular vote. She can take that into her run in 2012 (God allowing of course).

    May 28, 2008 at 6:07 pm |
  11. Tammy, Berwick, LA

    Whatever happened to government by the people for the people no matter what? Regardless of rules, the voice of the people matter. Who they want should matter. If it doesn't, why even bother calling this nation a true democracy? I hope the DNC resolves this fairly for the citizens who were screwed by the DNC's rules and the state powers that be where they live. No matter who wins, a person's vote matters. Too many people fought and died here and abroad for it not to count.

    May 28, 2008 at 5:34 pm |
  12. Anders Scooper

    The party is made up of the voters. Most prefer Hillary. Each candidate should get the votes that each received. The votes of the people are more important than anything else. Hillary didn't campaign in these states and the voters made thier choice. When the party doesn't follow the will of the voters that make up the party it is time to find another party.

    May 28, 2008 at 5:28 pm |
  13. Rachel

    What really irks me is, being a registered voter in Michigan, I did not vote in the primary because my candidate of choice was not on the ballet, and secondly, was informed ahead of time that the state's delegates would not be assigned because of rules of the democratic party that were violated by the state. Many democrats did not vote in the primary for this same reason. With all of that said, Clinton only managed to get just over half of the votes of those who did decide to cast a ballet. 40% voted uncommitted! Do their votes not count for something (I think we can safely assume that most of those votes were from democrats who would've voted for Obama if that were an option). How do we assign those delegates?

    May 28, 2008 at 4:58 pm |
  14. Carrie Pa

    Before all this primary mess started, all the candidates agreed that Michigan and Florida would not count. It was a bad decision by the DNC and the candidates. Every vote should count. But, it would be unfair to give Hillary the delegates when Baracks name wasn't on the ballet in Michigan and didn't campaign in Florida. All Barack did was follow the rules. He is not denying votes. It wasn't until Hillary needed Michigan and Florida that she cared about the voters. The only fair way, at this point, is to split the delegates 50/50 to Barack and Hillary. Then, maybe, the voters of Michigan and Florida won't feel cheated.

    Candy, you are the best reporter on TV!

    May 28, 2008 at 4:29 pm |
  15. seah ohio

    The DNC has had ample time to make a decison on the fla and mich elections when they were informed on the state elections.

    They Choose not to.

    They were more concerned with Playing God and imposing punishment.

    Not Caring about the voters of those states.

    Now if Pelosi's or deans candidate they want, needed those states, they would be counted in a heart beat evident by the comments they have made, pressure they have applied to the super delegates.

    The super delegates have the right to change their votes up until the time they have to cast them at the convention. Hopefully many of them will release that Obama is nothing more than a speech and a scam artist. who's personal goals and agenda is not in compliance with the DNC or the Country.

    I just Hope the heads of the DNC and high powered Democrats are voted out of office when their terms are up, for throwing the voters of 2 states under the bus. with all voters realizing it may be your state next time.

    May 28, 2008 at 4:26 pm |
  16. Spencer

    Screw the rules, seat them as is...

    May 28, 2008 at 4:06 pm |
  17. Diane

    First of all, to a previous post, not all people who support Obama are in college. I am an Obama supporter, and I am 49 (white and female). Most of the people I know are Obama supporters, none of whom are in college. Secondly, I am from Michigan. I did not vote in the primary because I did not think my vote would count AND my candidate (Obama) was not on the ballot. We were told to vote "uncommitted" for candidates who were not on the ballot (“uncommitted” WON in two counties!), but since Michigan voters were told that our votes would not count and it was basically “a beauty contest,” I didn't think it was worth it to vote for "uncommitted." How many other people who support Obama did not vote in Michigan? I personally know many! To count the primary outcome "as voted" like Sen. Clinton wants is unfair and "disenfranchises" everyone like me. Also, since Obama was not on the ballot, Obama would get ZERO delegates in Hillary's "seat them as voted on primary day" scenario. That is not acceptable. Although a re-vote was proposed, Sen. Clinton wanted restrictions on who could vote (no independents – which would be me – and nobody who crossed over and voted republican so that their vote WOULD count for something.) Those restrictions are why Obama didn't want the re-vote. Lastly, Sen. Clinton's claim that she is ahead in the popular vote is an empty argument, because it discounts all of the people in the caucus states. How many popular votes do the caucus states represent? She cannot discount those states. The people in those states matter, despite her reluctance to recognize them. -Diane, Hamburg Twp., MI

    May 28, 2008 at 3:56 pm |
  18. Rob Winnipeg Canada

    If the situation were reversed and the Clintons had the advantage Mr. Obama has at the moment this wouldn't even be an issue. How do you get the popular vote without somehow calculating the caucus states?

    May 28, 2008 at 3:55 pm |
  19. Kim

    Amal, if you are saying that only mature people should have the right to vote, many people a lot older than college age would have to be excluded as well. Maturity has nothing to do with age in my experience.

    May 28, 2008 at 3:54 pm |
  20. Kim

    What really gets me is how many people fall for the Clinton propaganda and don't realize that states who break the rules must be punished.

    That has nothing to do with democracy, every state had a fair chance to have all the votes count and when the citizens of Florida and Michigan voted, they knew that their votes were not going to count. If they are angry at anybody, it should be their own state government who decided to break the rules.

    Hillary is just clutching at straws, if she was ahead, she couldn't care less abotu Florida and Michigan.

    May 28, 2008 at 3:48 pm |
  21. marcy

    and as a follow up to Amal Gabriel the young people of America are the ones that will have to deal with this choice. Not that I'm of college age anymore but i'm not far removed from it. While I don't think Obama is ready and i think he is simply a lot of hot air, it's not fair to dismiss the voice of an entire generation beacuse of their age.

    not scientific poll just my buzz
    Marcy - 29 yrs
    Mobile, AL

    May 28, 2008 at 3:44 pm |
  22. marcy

    I don’t support Obama, nor do I support Hillary, nor do I support McCain, and since those are the choices handed to me, I’ve decided this will be my deciding factor in my vote this fall. It's as good as setting up a dart board and throwing a dart until it sticks right ?!

    I don’t like how Hillary is playing this card every change they get, like the Democratic party refuses to sit them. They knew what would happen had they held their primaries early, they were told countless times and the people in charge in those two states went ahead anyway. This is not what I like to see out of the people who make decisions for me. I have no problems with the delegates coming to the party, sitting on the floor and enjoying the spectacle of the convention, however if the votes count in any way shape or form so help me I’m voting McCain. I can't vote Nader or I have to move out of my house, and frankly I like my house.

    Howard Dean, DNC Chair, has a tough decision to make but I really hope he makes the right one and does not count those votes, it just wouldn’t be fair. Isn’t that what this process is suppose to be about ?!

    Marcy
    Mobile, AL

    May 28, 2008 at 3:41 pm |
  23. Roger Cyr

    I have been following the U.S. campaign with great interest but I am really shocked about the gutter politics and hypocrisy shown by the Clintons. It has been obvious for the past six weeks that the meeting on Saturday has been well organized to make sure that Clinton gets exactly everything that she wants at whatever cost and if the Democrats do not agree she will go to the Supreme Court and also to Convention floor. It is obvious that the sniper attack in Bosnia had a profound impact on her . She is a pathetic site to say the least. As a white man I am really disgusted that she can pull it off. So much for democracy. Roger

    May 28, 2008 at 3:28 pm |
  24. Lorie Ann, Buellton, California

    Hi Candy,
    To seat or not to seat, that is the question...Either way, someone will have their nose out of joint. It really is a shame, that even this, can't be solved without anger on some level. I don't agree with people who say it's so good to have all this conflict in politics. If you can't be civil at home, you can't be a model of civility abroad.

    Lorie Ann, Buellton, Calif.

    May 28, 2008 at 3:01 pm |
  25. Amal Gabriel

    This is an important message to the Super delegates:

    Please look very closley to Obama's supporters. The majority of his supporters are kids in Collages. These kids are dreamers and ungrounded. They still very young to understand the real problems.

    I have 3 kids in collages and I know for a fact that all of them are dreamers. Actually, one of my kids storngley believes that one day he will own Los Angeles.
    Kids must not get the power to determine the fate of America, they are young and not experienced as Obama.

    Now, I am writing to the conscious of the super delegates, please don't make this huge mistake and choose Obama over Hillary. You will be making the worst mistake in your life and in the history of America.

    Please think hard and wise before making your final decision. America's future in your hand, don't blow it.

    May 28, 2008 at 2:59 pm |
  26. MaryLynn

    PREMATURE’ best describes the consistent attempts by the DNC and many news reporters to end a viable 2008 candidate’s run in the Democratic Primary Election process.
    When did a political party acquire the power to discount the popular vote, or its best bet to win the general election?
    Did any previous primary presidential candidate arrogantly dismiss his competition and his/her supporters than by prematurely initiating his selection process for a VP running mate?
    And the Reoublican Party is the Winner!
    Anderson, what can you and/ I do to restore respect and objectivity to the DNC’s dysfunctional processes – we know Viagra can’t fix it.

    May 28, 2008 at 2:47 pm |
  27. MaryLynn

    'PREMATURE' best describes the consistent attempts by the DNC and many news reporters to end a viable 2008 candidate's run in the Democratic Primary Election process.
    When did a political party acquire the power to discount the popular vote, or its best bet to win the general election?
    When did any previous primary presidential candidate arrogantly dismiss his competition and his/her supporters than by prematurely initiating his selection process for a VP running mate.
    And the Reoublican Party is the Winner!
    Anderson, what can you and/ I do to restore respect and objectivity to the DNC's dysfunctional processes – we know Viagra can't fix it.

    May 28, 2008 at 2:44 pm |
  28. Kent, Illinois

    Obama said he was behind whatever the DNC decided on the two states. Hey, I'm sure 50% of the delegates will be seated and finally Hillary will realize that is just doesn't make a difference. She lost. Time to get behind Obama and get him elected.

    May 28, 2008 at 2:20 pm |
  29. rohan

    the truth is, if hillary was ahead in pledge delegates,most states won and popular votes she would cry wolf about this, wanting florida and michigan votes to be counted and delegates to be seated after full violation of the dnc rules they all agree to if they move up their primary is wrong. rules are rules .ever ask the question why the court rules against the lawsuits that have been filed .open your eyes people the rule is the rule.

    May 28, 2008 at 1:57 pm |
  30. Scott from maine

    If the Democratic Rules Committee wants to punish someone for breaking the rules, they should punish the politicians that broke the rules not the voters of the state.

    The voters voted. Their votes should count. Fully. The voters did not choose to switch the date of the primaries.

    The politicians chose to break the party rules and change the dates of their primaries. The Democratic party should refuse to provide any support via advertising, fundraising, appearances, etc... for any Democratic politician in Michigan or Florida that chose to break the party rules. The party should also refuse to give the states money for the next primary or something like that. Punish the system not the people.

    Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were both on the ballot in Florida. Votes cast in Florida should count exactly as they were cast. In Michigan, barack Obama and others removed their names from the ballot. they were not forced to do so. Hillary Clinton was not the only one to leave her name on the ballot. Hillary Clinton should get credit for every vote that was cast for her. I recall hearing on TV that a vote for none of the above was the same as a vote for barack, so give him all the votes that did not go to Hillary or someone else on the ballot.

    I do not see what is so hard about that.

    May 28, 2008 at 1:55 pm |
  31. Cindy

    Mr. Cooper you keep mentioning Sen. Clinton's lie about sniper fire without putting the same emphasis on Sen. Obama's deceit over his 20 year relationship with his pastor. If he did not know of Rev. Wright's behavior before now what does that say about his ability to pick and monitor advisors, a trait required for Presiedency? Such ability will be particularly important, since he has such little personal experience. Where, if anywhere, is he and his family getting spiritual guidance now?

    I'm a Black voter in Fl. and believe Fannie Lou Hamer would be rolling in her grave to hear a Black man deny votes over rules. Afterall, slavery and Jim Crow were rules!

    Mclellan was right that no intelligence agency or major news organization, including CNN, got the truth about Iraq before the war. After surprise 911 terrorist attacks, where they used our own planes, Sen. Clinton and Congress would have been negligent not proceed to protect us.

    May 28, 2008 at 1:53 pm |
  32. Adam

    What gets me is that Senator Clinton's campaign is making it look like the people of Florida and Michigan are being treated unfairly. The rules were set up in advance, everyone knew about them and yet the state committees made the decision to break the rules anyway.

    You are allowed to make any decision you like, but what people don't seem to understand is that when you make a decision, you are also accepting any and all consequences of your decision. You don't get to choose them at a later time, or accept some of them. If you choose to jump from a building, you are choosing to accept the consequence that gravity will give you a rather abrupt and painful introduction to the ground. If you choose to run your primaries outside of the specified rules, you accept the consequence of having your delegates stripped. This is about responsibility and accepting it. Having all of the delegates seated with full votes is simply wrong and even becomes a moral issue because of the implications to responsibility, choice and accountability and the natural flow of consequences. Yet this is exactly what the Clinton campaign is trying to achieve.

    There can be no order and no fairness without punishment for those that do not follow established rules. It may seem fair, but punishment is actually what makes a system fair.

    May 28, 2008 at 1:40 pm |
  33. Rob

    Candy 1st off you state that Mrs. Clinton won FL and MI. Mr. Obama wasn't on the ballot in MI and if you ask anyone in FL they all knew before hand that it was a straw vote that it wouldn't count. I suggest you do some research and you'll discover it was widely advertised and that many registered FL Democrats didn't even show up. Not only do the rules not allow for any kind of popular vote be included for these 2 states but how do you calculate the caucus state popular vote? If you're talking fairness in this process you can't disenfranchise the voters in the caucus states – or as a Clinton supporter – can you?

    May 28, 2008 at 1:38 pm |
  34. Kim

    "Flight attendant giving evil eye–that’s all from Vegas" 😀

    Thank you so much for all of your insightful commentaries and input, Candy, it's always a pleasure reading your posts and listening to you an the show!

    May 28, 2008 at 1:36 pm |
  35. Anban

    The Key to Democrats’ Win: Let FL and MI Redo Primary

    Democrats, including Dean, Obama, and Hillary, should know that nothing is more important now than resolving the problem of FL and MI delegates. Without resolving this difficulty will leave an open-ended primary process, create chaos at the convention, and eventually suffer a defeat in the general election. Unless both candidates agree, whatever DNC decide on May 31 still will not solve the problem. Furthermore, if DNC decide to punish FL and MI, they may just as well kiss good bye to these two states and accept the defeat in November. But if Obama and Hillary are unable to agree on any formula, what should DNC do? The only unambiguous way is to redo the primary. Remember, all rules governing the nomination are decided by DNC. There is no such thing as “rule is the rule”, because DNC need to invent rules to fit the situation. For example, what should be the threshold for this year’s nomination? Any number the DNC set will be challenged not only at the convention but also in courts. However, there is a rule that will never change: rules must be fair, legal, and winning. Unless both candidates agree, the only fair, legal, and winning decision that DNC can make now is to redo the primary in Florida and Michigan. After this is done, one candidate surely will get more than half of the total delegates to win the nomination, and the other can humbly accept the result.

    May 28, 2008 at 1:33 pm |
  36. Ariston,FL

    HI Candy,

    It's with reporting like this that makes you one of my favorite political correspondent. Being a presidential election year, I love the daily coverage you provide.
    The clarity in your writing, the poise on how you take on tough questions and the "candyd" voice that you always take makes it a pleasure to listen to your reporting. You inspire trust, truth and always a laugh.

    In regards to Florida and Michigan, I'm glad we are coming to an end. Or, are we?

    Once again, thank you for making news intelligent, clear and fun.

    Best wishes to you and the CNN team. (They are lucky to have you!)

    Ariston, Miami Beach, FL

    May 28, 2008 at 1:31 pm |
  37. Jennifer - Michigan

    Hi Candy, It's nice to hear from you today. You are so good at your job and I think that you are fantastic! You emit such a sense of intelligence when you speak, and you conduct yourself so professionally. I'm a big fan of yours obviously. Keep up the good work! Thanks for all that you do. Have a great day today.

    May 28, 2008 at 1:29 pm |
  38. Jeffrey Wright, California

    Is it really going to matter anymore? I mean, realistically, the Democrat's inability to wrap this nomination up is feeding into McCain's hands as smooth as butter. Before this entire process began I surmised that McCain wouldn't care who his opponent was because Clinton and Obama would cancel each other out and the long-standing run of old white men in the White House would ring true once again.

    Never did I imagine that the cancellation I spoke of would actually come courtesy of the nominees' themselves.

    Clearly the idea of competition, determination and tireless effort until the end isn't new, but what about running the marathon, getting to the ribbon at the end, stopping and then shooting yourself in the foot... is anyone learning from history or have those ivy league educations not quite made it through the thickness of the skull...?

    May 28, 2008 at 1:23 pm |
  39. rohan

    i live in florida and did not vote because i was playing by the rule the dnc put out.i am the voter not the candidates get it the voter.so they too should abide by the rules if not they are just like bush, change the reasons why we went to war when he could not find any WMD.LET STAND for this if not we have not learn anything from the past errors.

    May 28, 2008 at 1:23 pm |
  40. Gary Chandler in Canada

    Candy you can publish this or not, but something does not 'add' up on spending figures. There might? be a huge story here!?
    If you take the numbers CNN reported, Obama and Clinton have spent roughly the same. The math is money raised, plus Clinton's debt, and minus Obama's saving.
    That puts all the claims by Clinton of being outspent 4 to 1 into 3 possibilities.
    1. It was a big fat lie. (minor news story)
    If they really were outspent in the campaigns, where did the missing money go?
    2. The Clintons got taken by higher service fees.
    3. The 'missing' money went into innocent looking shells? Libraries?
    Places that the Clintons have access to for innocent looking activities, like world travelling for charities.
    Clear this up! Either reveal the 4 to 1 claim was a kitchen sink; or find out where the missing money went!?

    May 28, 2008 at 1:10 pm |
  41. Shantee

    Anderson, Please remind Americans that Hillary and her camp are the ones that agreed to exclude Florida and Michigan. I can't understand that when she thought she would sweep the floor with Barack she did not need those states, but now that she is hanging by a thread she wants to include them. I think if Hillary really cares about the Democratic party she would throw in the towel and help in the efforts to win. I along with many other Barack supporters are ready to move on. Hillary, play by the rules!

    May 28, 2008 at 1:07 pm |
  42. Kimberly

    My husband and I didn't cast our primary vote in Florida because we were under the impression that our vote wouldn't count. Now, that the Clinton's have pushed for Florida to be seated against the rules, may we have our vote?? Obama '08

    May 28, 2008 at 1:05 pm |
  43. Larry

    If Obama is not the nominee then the African & Kenyan-American communities will revolt, as it will clearly appear that their candidate's victory has been stolen. I would not blame them; this thing has been screwed up from the beginning.

    May 28, 2008 at 1:03 pm |
  44. DALE CAMAT

    I think it is amusing that former President Clinton now thinks that his wife is being mistreated when attacks are being waged on her, but when they were attacking Barack he said that these comments defined what politics are. To pen an old comment from my childhood, "If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen."

    I put no credence in anything that the Clintons say. They need to accept defeat and get behind Barack

    May 28, 2008 at 12:52 pm |
  45. Cindy

    I think that if they are going to seat these delegates that Hillary should get the majority of them if not all of them. I mean from what I have heard Obama did run TV ads in these states. Everyone fails to mention that. They act like he did nothing there. But that is not the case! He didn't go there in person but he did do TV spots which count as him campaigning. And he still lost big so that shows what voters thought of him.

    May 28, 2008 at 12:48 pm |
  46. Janet, American in Canada

    Candy, Rules and Regulations are sometimes taken to task.
    DNC, praying, will seat the delegates on an agreed solution, by both States and Candidates Camps, in order to resolve the Signed Document by both Senator Clinton Camp and Senator Obama Camp.
    We the Voters want every state to count, even though the rules were broken, (nameless individuals), as the some names were on and some names were off! As we all who research and inform ourselves what truly happened and not any of the distraction by (nameless individuals).
    Also, to split the cast votes appropriately to both candidates.

    As a 60+ White (Catholic) Female, this has been a disgraceful year, not only for Aspiring Females but the American People, to see such Old Boys Negative Campaigning from the CLinton Camp! Surely, their own interest and not All American People has been apparent throughout their campaign. (Just ask Peter Paul vs Clintons in California). Why hasn't this and other issues come out as the validity of the Clintons during this campaign?

    Remember only GOD can truly forgive those who Lie!

    May 28, 2008 at 12:48 pm |
  47. Gary Chandler in Canada

    May 31 – What a big ADO about NOTHING!
    If they sit MI and FLA 'as is' (MI; 55% HC – 0%BO; FLA; 49.8% HC 33%-BO), she actually does get a slight PV lead, but does not go ahead in pledged delegates.
    Even Wolfson would concede Obama should get something over 0% in MI and all he needs is 10% there to take back the PV lead. With a 55/35 Clinton Obama split in MI & FLA 'as is' & the polling in SD and MO, Obama will have 200,000 to 1/2 million PV victory on June 3.
    So, what is all the FUSS about MI and FLA?
    No matter what they do with goal posts, the ball is already through the uprights!
    -
    (The May 31 rallies could be too ironic and comic. Clinton calls them. Obama supporters out number hers. she says they 'inflamed' the situation and trampled on her supporter's right to demonstrate. she also claims to be outspent 6 to 1, and their was a conspiracy amongst elitist bus companies to hold rentals from her camp < hmm why did she hire Wolfson, I could have done as good!?)

    May 28, 2008 at 12:46 pm |
  48. seah ohio

    The DNC and high power democrats playing God and Political fixers. What their puppet in office or they are his puppets.

    If Obama need the states to count, they would be accepted.

    Just shows how the DNC careless about the people the voters.

    May 28, 2008 at 12:45 pm |
  49. Betty Ann, Nacogdoches,TX

    Hi Candy!
    Very interesting. Where will it all end?
    This is very exciting for the democratic party and monotomous at the same time.
    Yes, exciting and boring. Hmm, I believe we have a bi~polar race!
    Anywho, I still believe that Hillary is more electable against McSame than Obama.
    I'm hoping for a duel ticket (fingers crossed)!
    Thanks!
    XXOO

    May 28, 2008 at 12:43 pm |
  50. Y

    Hillary is disenfranchising the people who did not go out to vote, by asking for the votes in Florida and Michigan to count as is. They were told their vote wouldn�t count so they willingly stayed home, thinking the race would end on Super Tuesday as it has for years. All of a sudden Hillary says, �Gotcha, that primary actually counts.� It�s very hurtful and insulting to my relatives in Florida, that Hillary would be so self-serving.

    Obama �08

    May 28, 2008 at 12:36 pm |
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