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May 5th, 2008
12:30 PM ET

If all goes according to plan, Clinton and Obama win tomorrow

Roland S. Martin
360 Contributor
www.rolandsmartin.comLet's get this out now before the spin doctors for Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama go at it: if all goes according to plan on Tuesday, both candidates will be able to claim victory.

 

It has been fascinating to see as both campaigns have tried to twist and turn everything, from endorsements to who is leading in the popular vote to the importance of delegates and who can best beat Sen. John McCain in November.

Forget white voters, rural voters, midwestern voters, southern voters, black voters, women voters and men voters, the only thing that really matters on Tuesday are the delegates.

In Indiana, 72 are at stake. In North Carolina, it's 115.

For all the talk about Obama's problem with white working class voters, Clinton has an equally difficult time with black voters. For all the talk about Clinton's problem with young voters, Obama has an issue with older voters. These are just too damn fine candidates who have a lock on their core constituencies.

If Clinton is able to score a win in Indiana AND North Carolina on Tuesday, this race gets absolutely turned upside down, and the Obama camp will be fending off all kinds of attacks that they are in deep doo-doo. If Clinton loses both states, the clamoring for her to jump out now will grow so loud they'll be complaining about noise pollution in China.

CLINTON SPIN IF SHE WINS INDIANA – She is able to capture the midwestern, rust belt vote, and Dems need the largely white working class voters in states such as Indiana to win in November.

OBAMA SPIN IF HE WINS NORTH CAROLINA – He does better at attracting independents in a red state, and could potentially put this southern state in play come November, especially if there is a huge black turnout.

But the real issue comes down to delegates. Clinton needs decisive wins to cut into Obama's lead, and she will also need lots more folks to vote for her to cut that popular vote lead (She knows that Florida and Michigan don't count, so trying to lump them into her vote total is a joke. And this also prevents the Obama folks from trying to count all the caucus voters, which aren't reflective in who actually won the states).

If this game comes down to delegates, North Carolina is the big enchilada. With 43 more delegates than Indiana, it is simply the bigger prize. My media colleagues can try to twist it anyway possible, but if the person who wins captures more delegates – 2,025 to be exact – then North Carolina has to mean more. That favors Obama, who is up in the polls, but Clinton has closed the gap.

For Clinton, an Indiana win is more psychological, and she's up slightly in the state.

Now, what will both states mean for the Democrats in November? Not a thing. President George W. Bush beat Sen. John Kerry by 510,000 votes in Indiana, and beat him by 435,000 votes in North Carolina.

Unless Democrats cause a major flip in the state, these two won't be in play, anyway, unlike Iowa, Ohio, New Mexico, Arizona, Arkansas and West Virginia and others.

soundoff (150 Responses)
  1. angie

    ROLAND thank you i've been saying you have a good head on your shoulders. now if people will listen to what the canidates say and not other people they will see where the canidates stand...TAX HOLIDAY???? please how, who?not hillary another lie she just keep slipping them in and nobody catching her in them...obama has it right it will not help...Do hillary think the middleclass dimwitted???? say this to this crowd and that to another??? I think if she lie now she'll lie in office. Obama trying to unite us WE THE PEOPLE have america forgot we the people? He is the best for us and i hope people can see that

    May 6, 2008 at 10:45 am |
  2. Snowcat

    It more than likely will come out as a win for each. Hillary in Ind. and Obama in NC. What this continues to show is that neither candidate will have the votes and this will go to the convention. Obama can not win without the superdelegates either. He and his supporters want to overlook that simple fact. He tries to put all of this negativity onto Hillary for staying in the race. What they fail to realize is that he comes across as expecting to be annointed. If he had not made this premature grab for power and actually displayed some interest in gaining some real experience the party would not be in this mess. I am so sick and tired of Obama supporters pretending to be better than every else in the party. There is a reason the older voters are not being taken in by his "change the world" New Politics" slogans....We have heard it all before and see it for what it is....rank hypocricy. It is clear that Obama can not carrry the states that we need to win. As much as he has whinned about Hillary throughout this race for being nasty....He has no idea or ability to combat the Republican attack machine. WENEED A FIGHTER..NOT AN APPEASER. a VOTE for Obama is really a vote for McCain.....Sadly, it will take him losing the Pres. race to learn that.....Oh that's right then it will be Hilllary's fault . Sad

    May 6, 2008 at 8:22 am |
  3. David

    This is about Supreme Court JUDGES!! people not white Clinton or black Obama, so if the stronge white women and men of the democratic party refuse (switch) to vote for Obama if he is the nom. Cool then don't cry when a women's right to chose is lose, because you cut your nose in spite of your face. Don't threaten others with political suicide they may not listen.

    May 6, 2008 at 8:19 am |
  4. tanya

    Indiana and North Carolina, lets go. No excuses today, this is important. Get out there and vote for Obama. Your vote counts. We've brought him this far, keep it moving. He won Guam by 7 votes... that mean your vote surely counts.... please. Indiana and North Carolina we need you – OBAMA 08

    May 6, 2008 at 8:11 am |
  5. rehoboth

    Good talk Roland. But let us wait and see what the results of both IN & NC will be.

    May 6, 2008 at 8:07 am |
  6. Epluribus

    Of course if neither candidate reaches the delegate count, then the superdelegates will have to decide. If the democractic party doesn't recognize Florida and Michigan then there will be a big problem in the General Election. Hilliary and Obama has preached unity once the campaign is over, as a Black Male, if Hilliary is not on the ticket I won't vote in the General. Again, this election will be tainted because of the disenfrachisment of Florida and Michigan voters, and if the Democrats can't get that right, or find a solution for the misplaced voters to be heard, my non vote will be in protest. Roland, you're to bias, I wish you would write a column on issues and solutions from both candidates without showing your favortism.

    May 6, 2008 at 8:03 am |
  7. Vanessa L. Perry

    Every man/woman is born with a purpose. Everyone of us desires to leave our mark on this great universe. However, there are men/women who are born as part of the divine plan. Men like Ghandi, Martin Luther King and women like Mother Teresa. Obama is one of those men. He is the one who was born to unite a nation that brought his ancestors here in chains...a man whose ancestry also embodies those that helped put us in those chains. It is time; and, it has been a long time coming. Obama is part our future. We should embrase it.

    May 6, 2008 at 7:56 am |
  8. Kevin--Maryland for Obama

    Why won't this woman just drop out, you know why, cause she hates Obama and cares nothing about the people, only her personal goal of being the top dog. Well I hope people have read the article about how she has now failed to mention 24 million from there tax returns. And they failed to mention their oil stocks in the middle east and their money ties in blind trusts. Think, high gas prices benefits their investment portfolio. They failed to mention the Canadian/Kazak minning deal and how the Canadian businessman contributed 31 million to the Clinton Foundation. I think this needs further explaining to the American people since she "tells people the truth" and wants to be held accountable.

    May 6, 2008 at 7:41 am |
  9. Terri Ohio

    The Last Thing I did last night and the first thing I did this morning was pray that god gives Indiana the vision to vote that she devil the heck out of here

    May 6, 2008 at 6:56 am |
  10. Arome james

    Barack Obama is the man that can bring real change to America and unite American the people., especially after 8 years of Bush "the war monger". BO has ran the best and fairest campaign so far. Hillary is a big disappointment, he has made me lose all my respect for Bill.
    Obama is clearly in the lead. He gets the nomination!!

    Arome James
    Lagos, Nigeria.

    May 6, 2008 at 6:53 am |
  11. J.V.Hodgson

    With Indiana close 3 or 4 percent points to Cinton and Obama 7 to 8 ahead in NC he will add to his delegate count, and popular vote margins.
    Both candidates have said they will support the ultimate nominee fully and most Dems will therefore stay with the party.
    The real issue is Florida and Michigan. I actually believe forecast that:-
    1) HRC cannot catch Obama on pledged delegates even if both Michigan and Florida are counted 50% or better still at the total % voted to Clinton and Obama in Forida. Michigan has to be 50/50.
    2) Popular vote may then be an issue because Obama was not on the Michigan ballot, but was on Florida. this resolves itself if you exclude popular votes not given to Clinton or Obama, in both states. It would be close but Obama on my count wins.
    3) The DNC can wait till 3rd June but it will stink to independents, needed for the Presidency win and upset Michigan and Florida who will see smoke filled rooms and not vox populi determining the primary elections/ their delegate count along with Super delegates.
    Hilary will not win all the remaining states, however hard she tries, nor will Obama. He could have if John Edwards comes off the fence
    4) Obama on the above basis needs 50-55 pledged delegates after NC and Indiana.
    If HRC is a true democrat she should concede tomorrow.
    Regards,
    Hodgson.

    May 6, 2008 at 12:10 am |
  12. Mary

    Barack Obama receives a phone call at 3 AM, say hello, then "wait a minute, have to set up the teleprompter." That man can't think on his feet. He mumles and stumbles the issues and after you hear him talk for 100 hours, one wonders what he really said. But that is OK. His campaign will come back with a different version the next day. The changes and hopes he speaks about is questionable at best.
    He should go back to his Senate district and come through on the promises he made years ago before he was elected there. Also he should have yelled and screamed when the votes from Florida and Michigan were not counted. He wants to win by default. Votes not for me should not count., he thinks. Tone says Obama will change to independent if he does notwin the Democratic nomination. Why not a Marxist candidate?

    May 6, 2008 at 12:02 am |
  13. Knoxville

    In regards to Holiday Tax....

    It amazes me how Obama feels the Holiday Tax is a quick fix to get Hillary through this election. He claims that 18.4 cents a gallon would save us approximately 30 dollars over a 3 month period and it's less than the cost of a cup of coffee at 7-11 per day. He voted for this tax holiday 3 times...why is it he is against it now?

    This holiday tax plan may drain money from the highway funds, but at this point who can afford to drive these highways. It may be a quick fix, but to my family it is "realistic". We have 3 drivers in our family sharing 1 compact car. 90 dollars over 3 month period would help my family more so than no break at all. We have to watch how we spend our money and unfortunately spending money each day on a cup of coffee at the 7-11 is not an option...I make my coffee at home and take a to go cup. I imagine Mr. Obama personally doesn't worry too much about the cost of coffee or a gallon of gas for that matter. My family understands and appreciates the value of a dollar and exactly how far 30 dollars will go if spent properly.

    It is an insult to me and my family that he finds 30 dollars to be nothing...well it's something!

    Vote for Hillary...she will make things happen and change our futures in a positive way.

    May 5, 2008 at 11:49 pm |
  14. Mike in NYC

    Hey, "Tone":

    "Archie Bunker" is a tired old stereotype. Give it a rest.

    May 5, 2008 at 10:00 pm |
  15. william

    I'm really sick and tired of all the spinning heads that say Mi.and Fl. didn't play by the rules. Like this is some game. This is peoples lives and futures in this election and a major reason why we had the war of independence, because of knucklehead rules like these. The democratic party is not a private party but they sure as hell think it is. It belongs to the people of this great nation were every voice and every person has a vote and should be represented.The Democratic party and air head Howard Dean moved the goal post and messed up the whole process. As much as i want the Dems to win i hope they lose.

    May 5, 2008 at 9:49 pm |
  16. JMO

    And once again, who did obama pick to win the Kentucky Derby? – no one. I'd much rather have a president who has an opinion than one who votes "present" with no opinion. BTW, bringing up Eight Belles is very rude, crude and shows absolutely no compassion ~ another trait that we must have in a president. Not trying to reduce the gas price by the tax also shows no compassion and is definitely an elitist view. I think obama should bow out of the race gracefully and start supporting Hillary.

    May 5, 2008 at 9:38 pm |
  17. Janet

    In response to jane's statement concerning the black vote....you should not speculate on what the black community will do...We are more educated and well informed than you would care to give us credit for (not that I am overly concerned what you might think)..There are many who will not vote for Clinton or McCain, myself included, because of the "Audacity" of Barack Obama and the hope of a better America.

    May 5, 2008 at 9:37 pm |
  18. Toot

    Roland,
    We know that the spin you are putting on this article is to really say that Obama is the candidate. Be careful of what you are really spending. We all know that come Nov that the game changes. If by chance he is the Democrat nominee than McCain will have a field day with him. He has associated himself with not so "respectable" people and it gets pushed under the carpet. I have to say I went back and read your article a couple of times so as not to misread anything. You as well as the powers to be that are afraid of Hillary Clinton as a female president put spins on this mess. It was not Bill Clinton running for President it is Hillary Clinton!! The race card from Obama's campaign as well as you has been played over and over until it is sickening.
    So he will win the nominee but will he win the election and if so how will he as an unexperienced person come and get the US out of this mayhem it is in. He won't be able to because he is about "Obama" and his own!!

    May 5, 2008 at 9:27 pm |
  19. Eleanor

    So when Hillary answers that phone at 2 AM, will she say, "obliterate Iran". Is this what we have ahead?

    May 5, 2008 at 9:20 pm |
  20. Dana Harris, Bay Area CA

    Indiana and North Carolina and Guam are just as important as the other states. I don't like Hillary's politics... it is no different then previous politics. I hope Obama will win because I believe he will bring change or at least do everything he can to bring change. Hillary can barely manage her own campaign finances which would explain her views on the gas tax. I did the math on mine. Since I'm lucky enough to only have to fill up every 2 weeks. If my 12 gallon tank was empty each time I would only save $12.96. I could do that by just not going out to eat for a couple days. It's in all of our best interest to leave that tax for fixing roads and instead re evaluate our driving habits. Her views pretty much contradict her thoughts about limiting global warming. Because of these gas prices we have seen a large increase in Hybrids and energy conservations. I myself plan to get a Hybrid in the near future. Also telling another country you would obliterate them if they attack your ally shows a lot of arrogance to me. How are you going to obliterate an entire country for the mistakes of a government. And like Michael Moore says Obama has never attacked Clinton for her gender, which of course shouldn't matter, yet the Clinton campaign and even her husband has attacked him over race. That's not right. And for a person that claims to have so much experience, I find it odd that she would still vote for a war and continue to back it up, up until she decided to run for president and not apologizing for her mistake. I also find it hard to believe she will get rid of nafta seeing how forceful Bill has been in his beliefs. No wonder he wont let any news reporters around him now. He would only screw it up if he had to answer questions. And finally... for all the crap thrown at Obama, he's still here... the last time Hillary had dirt thrown at her this candidate was the biggest cry baby of all the candidates.

    May 5, 2008 at 9:20 pm |
  21. annjie

    roland – most of the news media has been very biased against Hillary, but you roland come in FIRST PLACE for the most biased reporting I have heard in my life time. No one really knows obama and from his book in his own words he is a bigot and a racist. What we do see in the present, he has terrorist friends (Ayres & his wife should be rotting in jail) and the Hamas supports him. Also, he is so stupid that it took him 20 yrs. + 2 days to figure out what is father figure, mentor was saying. He has a wife who hates America (read her thesis). obama has a long list of other really undesireable friends but you never choose to mention that, do you? He has no experience – voting "present" doesn't count for experience. He is a snob and looks down his nose at mainstream middle class Americans and you probably won't believe this roland but once you have served your purpose you would be lying under the bus with obama's white grandmother and wright. Bet you will never have the courage to post this let alone ever question some obama's friends.

    May 5, 2008 at 9:15 pm |
  22. Katherine in Cali

    Why isn’t anyone looking at the fact that the Clinton machine has been in operation for 30 years. And, now on Obama’s first time out he is kicking her “b_ _ _!” I mean, come on people! He is running a better campaign with more money, a better and innovative way to raise money and superior staff and volunteer organization, AND HE IS WINNING! Sorry folk, but the Obama machine is superior to Hillary and Bill Clinton without 30 years EXPERIENCE! Just think how great Obama is going to be when he gets 30 years under his belt. WOW!!!!!!!!!!
    Katherine Cotati, CA

    May 5, 2008 at 9:14 pm |
  23. ron

    Very disappointed in the media coverage of the Dem. race for nominee. The issues the media choose like Rev. Wright or an Indy driver support of a candidate is a disservice to the readers and listeners they reach. Polls are reported on like they are facts and the numbers have relevance. The media cannot even agree the number of votes a candidate has or the number of pledged delegates, or superdelegates. News is no longer informing the public, but swaying them by the corporate views. This once honored and reliable profession throwing mud to keep ratings. When you talk about the spin doctors do you include CNN. I feel like vomiting every time your reporter steps up to the map and starts to spuing obscure polls numbers the latino voters, the white blue collars voters the black voters, gun toting voters , green car owner voters. Creating crazy polls that have very little relivance on our countries well being

    May 5, 2008 at 9:09 pm |
  24. Timber

    Why is there never any mention of the fact that Obama will not reach
    "2,025 to be exact "? If that is what you need to win then he does not win it ethier! So? then what? He might as well have none as to have 2,024! Should the popular vote then count or what? The dems have really made the process so difficult. Why not just a national primary?!? For God's sake, it is an embarrassment. WHY has it been made SO complicated?! I would vote for the candidate who would come out and say they will fix it if they become president.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:59 pm |
  25. Kelly Kanovic

    IF anyone thinks this prolonged dem primary is hurting dems, think again. This long, hard fought campaign has kept the dem. candidates in the national news for months....this is all FREE PRESS, and anyone with a t.v. or radio knows the names of the candidates. McCain has barely gotten mentioned. Enthusiasts know every little detail about campaigns, but most folks barely remember the names of candidates. The pundits are certainly tiresome, as if we can't think for ourselves-but the dem candidates have gotten hundreds of millions in FREE ADVERTISING. That's an advantage for the dem party come Nov. Besides, if a candidate falters badly in the polls, better now so the s. del. can make the best decision to pick the person most likely to WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION, whomever that might be.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:57 pm |
  26. Tone

    btw, im not scrolling to find the post but to the fool who thinks Hillary will pick up the black vote with no effort, people like you are part of the dan problem because you are out of touch, unless you are black you have no idea and that the media's treatment of Obama, Rev. Wright, and the black church has left the african american community jaded and i promise you if hillary does get the nomination, she will pay the price of losing the black vote and destroying the democratic party, because, this black man, will change his registration to Independent asap.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:57 pm |
  27. Tone

    A vote for hillary is a vote for a contentious convention, people dont understand, dont know or dont care perhaps all three. This thing is not about democrats vs republicans, its about hillary clinton vs everybody else. You have 50% of the Archie Bunker types saying they will never vote for obama and 26% saying they will vote for McCain. You have a great majority of new, young and african american voters saying they wont vote at all nor vote for hillary, what does that spell, it spells doom for the democrats. Partly because of Rev. Wright and partly because of hillary clinton's kitchen sink, im dragging you down with me campaign tactics.

    hillary is more republican than John McCain, McCain it the moderate who can bridge the gap between conservative and moderate republicans and attract independents as well. The only thing hillary can attract is the archie bunkers of the midwest. McCain can win without the black voter, the independent voter, the young voter and the new voter, Hillary cannot without these groups and she's made it a certainty that Obama cant win either.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:48 pm |
  28. Bas, Toronto

    After the primaries,there would not be unity among Democrats. Just bring back Gore or Edwards and all Democrats will rally around him for victory.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:47 pm |
  29. Mike in NYC

    Gale wrote:

    "But be very clear, no democrat has won an election without the AA vote and right about now Hillary has 8%."

    Some AA's will sit out the general election if BO isn't the nominee, but I think most will still vote to keep McCain out of the White House. There’s also a very good chance of a HRC/BO ticket, if tomorrow goes the way the polls seem to indicate.

    Should BO be the nominee, I think that defections of white Democrats to the McCain camp will outweigh any AA advantage BO will bring to the general election.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:45 pm |
  30. gary

    Some interesting points:

    1. The Democrats have zero, nil, null-set {0} chance of winning Indiana in the fall.
    2. There has been no discussion of the latin vote as a factor. If Barack had merely split, or come close in the latin american vote, this election would be long over, as Hillary would have lost New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Nevada, and possibly California. The latino vote is democrat everywhere except FLorida, where it is split. Latinos turned out for Hillary like blacks have for Obama.

    The point is, while Hillary is beating Barack in the white, working class demo, much of this base will go for McCain against either Hillary or Barack, however the rest of her core will vote for any Democrat over any Republican, where much of his core will not turn out if he is not the candidate. Hence, since Hillary has lost fair and square, it is best for her to leave.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:44 pm |
  31. Norman

    Roland, brilliant piece of writing – you bring truth, reality back to earth but, I must say – I believe that there will be greater voter support for the democratic nominee this time around. Regardless of the outcome, it makes me proud knowing that a majority of the American people are re-engaged to make needed changes in this country – especially the youth. Thank you for telling it like it is.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:43 pm |
  32. Michael

    I have to vehemently disagree with Jane's comment. It's obvious that she is NOT AA to so assume that Hillary would so quickly and easily pick up the AA vote. I would hate to suggest to you what such a statement implies, but I'll let that go for now. It is important you understand something though. Without a doubt, if Obama had NOT been running I (since I can't speak for my race as a whole - no one should) would have voted for Hillary. As a matter of fact, I WAS PLANNING to vote for her until I saw he was a serious contender. I even voted for Bill during both elections (which was the ONLY reason I was voting for her because I knew nothing about her). However, NOW both I and every other AA have had an opportunity to see and hear things we had not before. Sometimes, these elections have a way of revealing a person's "true colors" - sort of speak. I say that to tell you that, in my opinion and conversations with others, Hillary would, at this point, be NO MORE assured of getting the black vote than Obama would be of getting the blue-collar vote. In fact, I'll take that a bit further - I think Obama would have a BETTER chance of getting the blue-collar vote than Hillary would of getting the black vote. Why you ask? There's pride ... then there's the wallet. I'd be the FIRST person to admit that I would rather some of my friends know more about the candidates than the fact that they're a democrat, but that isn't often the case. HOWEVER, once they've felt insulted and taken for granted ... forget about it! That's how so many of us are feeling right now about the Clintons. On the other hand, the blue-collar voters are more about finances and the belief that Hillary could do a better job of delivering on her promise (a la name recognition) than Obama. However, since there's only a hair's worth of difference in their policies and Obama is their last hope to avoiding the tax burden and lack of sufficient health care, lost jobs to NAFTA and a sustained war that's bleeding the country dry, I think "cooler heads would prevail." Oh, the "bitter" comment? Insult me because of my economic class? That's something I can change. Insult me because of my race? That's something I CAN'T! Which group do you think would be angrier? And you want to talk about BAGGAGE?!? Oh my gosh! The public has (temporarily) FORGOTTEN more about Bill and Hillary than they KNOW about Obama. That's not even including much of what's "swirling around" out there right now that the Republicans are JUST WAITING to unload about Hillary. If by some miracle she were to be the nominee, you'd see things dropping out of the sky about her so fast, you'd thing it was a NUDET (nuclear detonation). They are not willing to tip their hand just yet.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:40 pm |
  33. Nicolas-Karl

    Hi Roland,

    I really enjoy your commentaries and I hope you get more air time on CNN . You are a true rational analyst which is even more impressive for a theology scholar.

    Keep up the good work.

    Nicolas-Karl Montréal , Canada

    May 5, 2008 at 8:39 pm |
  34. Doug

    Wow, that was so refreshing. Thank you Roland Martin for at least one moment of sane sober analysis from CNN. I know that CNN isn't really a news channel it's actually a network that tries to do whatever it can to sell products (TV commercials) which is why The NewsHour on PBS is the last place on TV with actual journalism.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:37 pm |
  35. JP

    I think Clinton is a better candidate. If she does not win I am backing McCain.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:36 pm |
  36. Lorenzo

    You are right

    You are right Roland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    May 5, 2008 at 8:33 pm |
  37. Roni

    I like this report, Roland. I agree....but I hope for our country's sake that Hillary wins both states.

    Obama cannot be trusted

    Obama is soft

    Obama is inexperienced

    Obama is just a politican, like Hillary....people forget that

    May 5, 2008 at 8:28 pm |
  38. Suzanne P.

    Obama criticizes Clinton for her vote on Iraq (and her judgment) saying that he was against Iraq and had the better judgment from day one. He doesn't mention that he wasn't in a position to vote on the Iraq war because he wasn't a US senator yet at that time. Nor does he tell you that on subsequent votes on Iraq he and Clinton's voting record are comparable.

    Roland, I like your assessment of the current primaries and what can happen if one or the other wins. Thanks for sharing it with us.

    Suzanne P
    Knoxville TN

    May 5, 2008 at 8:26 pm |
  39. Janet -NY

    After both candidates speeches in Indiana last night I don't see how anyone could vote for Hillary. The entire energy in the room changed when Obama spoke and people hung on to every word because he represents HOPE for the American people. I hope people tomorrow remember what the Clintons represent and vote for the man who can make us whole again! Here's to a victory in Indiana and North Carolina tomorrow!
    Obama'08

    May 5, 2008 at 8:23 pm |
  40. clayshawn

    Thanks, Roland for this smart commentary. Even though you are an Obama supporter, it is fair and not completely freaked out like most of the above rants. I am really appalled by the snarking and negativity this campaign has caused. It's really a shame, especially considering how closely alike both Senators' positions on the issues really are.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:04 pm |
  41. Tone/ From Texas

    Hilliary won the majority of hispanic voters in Texas, including winning California, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Big States! Come on people, do you think Obama is going to be the next president? NC and Indy better think twice before voting for Obama. This democratic candidate (Obama) lacks experience on every issue. What Obama is trying to do is brainstorm his way to the nomination. Either way the economy is far from getting better. "Lord Help Us".

    May 5, 2008 at 8:02 pm |
  42. Sonya Angolemmo

    I personally feel that Hillary is just using her last players' cards in this ever constricting race, and she's come to the point where she has thrown them all down on the table, anxious to see a win. Do we want a president that will handle serious matters with sheer wit or with reasoning? I would rather trust in a man like Barack Obama, his logic always being concrete, a possible president who will stand solid for America, with reasonable solutions to promote a brighter future.
    Bronx, N.Y.

    May 5, 2008 at 8:00 pm |
  43. Katie

    There is a lot of assumption that AA's will support HRC if she is the nominee - "white working class don't trust him", etc. After this ugly primary I'd rather poke pencils in my eyes than vote for HRC. If she gets the nod from the super-delegates I will either write in BO or leave the box for president blank. That's a promise!

    May 5, 2008 at 7:59 pm |
  44. RB

    Oh by the way, has anyone noticed HRC's superdelegate lead is down to 14 or so?

    May 5, 2008 at 7:58 pm |
  45. Kristyn A.

    Roland, great point. someone mention earlier in the post about Hillary having less of a problem with black voters as Obama has with white voters, so he has a bigger problem. What that person failed to see is that if Hillary is the nominee, blacks will likely stay home which will make a Republican win inevitable. THAT'S HILLARY'S BLACK PROBLEM.

    Look, I'm no Hillary fan by any stretch of the imagination. But I'm less of a McCain fan.

    We Democrats need to rally behind our candidates now. My dislike for the Republican way is greater than my dislike of Hillary.

    I'm a proud Democrat and will support any candidate.

    Let's show those Republicans that we can be united even in the midst of the primary, shall we???

    May 5, 2008 at 7:57 pm |
  46. Leon

    I've yet to hear what change Barack has in mind when he becomes president of the United States. Barack is not "above" petty politics as he has gone extremely negative recently. He is also going to have a tough time swaying conservatives / undecideds with his recent ties with Rev. Wright and some anti-American speech made by his wife. Hilary will be able to win big states easily, and is more in touch with conservatives than Obama that may swing the general election her way.

    May 5, 2008 at 7:53 pm |
  47. Jennifer

    Thank you Roland for this unbiased perspective of the candidates and this process. The delegate count has ALWAYS been what mattered in the primaries and now suddenly, just like with Michigan and Florida, Sen. Clinton wants to change the rules and make this about "momentum." Would she feel the same way if she was in the lead? I don't think so.

    I don't dislike Sen. Clinton, but I certainly dislike her double talk. And, in my 37 years of experience "as it is in the beginning, so shall it be in the end" If she has stooped to lying, flipping her position on issues and rules, as well as excessively pandering to every demographic that she can just to get votes (chugging back shots and talking tough about guns and Iran like she's one of the boys) do you really think that she wouldn't do the same thing once she's in office? In addition, IF she was the president, the majority of the legislation that she tried to pass would be stuck in gridlock because she is seen as an extremely polarizing figure in Washington.

    I am not supporting Barack Obama just because he is Black, but because he is consistent. Yes, he too has made mistakes and like Sen. Clinton has pandered/catered to different voters. But, the Hillary Clinton that worked tirelessly on behalf of women and children when I worked in Washington, D.C., whose autobiography inspired me as a woman and who vehemently opposed the underhanded tactics that Republicans used against her husband when he was running and other Democrats, has changed so drastically and morphed into the kind of person she used to say that she detested. Someone who would stray this far from their "core" beliefs/values for political gain is ten times more scary than someone who supposedly has "less experience" Remember people, Dick Cheney was a part of the more "experienced" team eight years ago and we see how well that worked out – not!

    Also, thank you "Buckeyegirl" for speaking the truth. The elephant in the room is that the majority of rural, white, working class voters that are not supporting Sen. Obama would not have supported him no matter he said or did. We've come a long way, but we still have miles to go.

    May 5, 2008 at 7:51 pm |
  48. Mari, Salt Lake City

    Roland, I am hoping for a surprise OBAMA WIN! God willing the folks in Indiana and North Carolina will see past Hillary's pandering and half-truths. Hopefully people in Indiana and NC are just as SICK AND TIRED OF THE POLITICS OF DESTRUCTION!

    Perhaps tomorrow people in Indiana & NC, will rise up and STOP THE MADNESS! And reject all the 'hateful-destructive-fear & hate-mongering ads'!

    Perhaps tomorrow, the people of Indiana & NC, will rise up and SAY NO to Hillary who IS just as responsible as is Bush for the war in Iraq that has nearly bankrupted our country!

    With ALL her 'experience' and 'good judgement' SHE VOTED FOR THE WAR! The blood is on her hands.

    Please Indiana & NC, THINK.... go beyond pander, beyond the pundits and think for yourselves!

    Vote for Sen. Obama! LET'S MOVE ON AND CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF OUR COUNTRY!

    May 5, 2008 at 7:46 pm |
  49. Mike in NYC

    Doug wrote:

    "I am a Canadian and I have registered as a volunteer to make calls for B.Ob."

    What a stupid thing to admit. That's unethical, if not illegal, and you have no business taking part in our political process. Get out.

    Manfred Ayuk wrote:

    "So why is CNN promoting all this racial divide?"

    They're reporting on it because it exists, despite the fervent attempts of many to wish it away.

    Eddie Naperville wrote:

    "Obama will win by 8 percent in NC and lose by 3 percent in Indiana. He ends up on top!"

    Those kind of results will effectively doom his candidacy.

    May 5, 2008 at 7:39 pm |
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