April 14th, 2008
10:22 AM ET

If there were any question about the Democrats...

If there were any question about whether the Democratic presidential candidates have been hurting each other's chances to become president, it would seem harder to argue that case now, right?

...now that Clinton is questioning Obama's character, as well as his comment that some Pennsylvania voters are "bitter."

...and now that Obama is saying, "Shame on her... (for) an insult to sportsmen... (and) talking like she's Annie Oakley."

Do you think they're undercutting each other's credibility, or their own... or will voters forgive and forget all this, and focus on what's said during the general election?

Do you think John McCain is benefiting from the Dems' infighting, even enjoying it?

We'd like to hear. Thank you for your thoughts.

–Barclay Palmer, 360 Senior ProducerComments to the 360° blog are moderated. What does that mean?


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soundoff (23 Responses)
  1. AllieBabam

    I dont know who to believe really, because they all keep showing their true colors, and that confuses me. I thought that obama was a just choice and then we find that he is acting like a two year old. Its like a game to them, but the thing about that is-is that we need a GREAT president who can be serious about our issues and actually think before he speaks, and lately thats not been him.

    July 21, 2008 at 10:40 pm |
  2. nadia

    "I'm embarrassed by it; I apologized for it," she said. "I said it was a mistake and it is something I hope you can look over."

    What i dont understand is a president is suppose to be honest, one of the criteria to be a president is HONESTY, so did i miss something here? can somebody please explain to ne, what the difference is between a LIE and a MISTAKE, because i am very sure she lied not once but TWICE. How can we elect this lady to be the president of United States, if she is already starting to lie?

    April 17, 2008 at 1:55 am |
  3. K. C.

    If ever there was any doubt, it should have long since been erased. Neither of these two have a chance against McCain in the fall. If the Dems have any chance of winning the Whitehouse, they must draft Al Gore and be done with the agony of watching Alf and Ralph duke it out and ruin any chance of victory. Tonights fiasco will only prove the point.

    April 16, 2008 at 7:34 pm |
  4. Lessons of faith and guns....

    Obamas own words show his heart! No one's fault not even Clinton – May be it is the result of TWENTY years of listening to Rev Wright (spiritual leader) teaching not very compassionate or positive messages.....

    Mr Obama equates gungs and religion as "what people resort to when they are bitter??...(Faith is precisely what will keep a true believer to resorting to violence or bitterness….)
    Some of his "new concepts”at the latest CNN debate:

    1. If you are racist and antiUSA you are just "imperfect" (no wonder he stayed for 20 years LEARNING in the same church; and Mrs Obama just recently "felt for the FIRST time in her life proud of her country"....)

    2. The USA is after -among others- a "muslim nation"!!?? (we thought was a nation with a secular state that guarantees religious freedom......)

    3. Mr Obama will support the FAITH based initiatives only IF their emphasis is not on "promoting faith" but just "practical work..??? (he forgets that their incredible work is precisely motivated by their faith and trascends material needs.....)

    April 14, 2008 at 5:59 pm |
  5. Stacy

    Of course McCain is enjoying the dem infighting. (He's also enjoying a free pass from the press.) But are the democrats doing real damage to the party's chances in the general election? That's anybody's guess. It's a long way until November. Forget long term memory, the news cycle doesn't even seem to have a short term memory. Doesn't Spitzer's resignation feel like ages ago? Well, that just happened last month. We've got almost seven months until the general and a lot of things are going to happen between now and then. Once there's a democratic nominee the game will change.

    April 14, 2008 at 5:56 pm |
  6. Naomi

    Let us all get real. Yes poor people are bitter. I live in Martinsville Virginia. All of our factories save perhaps three have shut down. Danville 23 miles away is a ghost town. Eden NC across the border is a ghost of what it us to be. Why you may ask NAFTA. Most of our working class jobs have gone. Who signed this into law? Mr. Clinton. I voted for Ross Perot because I knew Clinton was going to cut the working mans throat. It toke him and his now Co-President, Mrs. Clinton only 11 months to cut our throats.
    Now this Co-President is running for President, The Clintons are worth 100 million dollars, HOW DARE HER attack Obama. She is the one insulting the working class man. The game is simple she is playing lets us confused the poor man with smoke and mirrors.
    We will say Obama has insulted you. When in reality we insult you because we think you are too dim witted to see the truth.
    Will we are not fooled we are fully capable of seeing there are no jobs and no hope for a good factory opening in the near future
    No amount of clowns running around trying to make the working man turn against the only one out there telling the truth and speaking up is going to work.

    April 14, 2008 at 5:24 pm |
  7. linda hemmingsen canada

    how obama can attack hillarys character because he has a lot of skeletons in his closet. He critizises her for having a drink when someone offered her one, he did the same thing in a pub too. except he says hers was for trying to win people overr and his wasn't? Obama needs to grow up! i wish people would ask him to answer questions about why he gave jobs to bad people for donations?lack of judgement doesn't go forever and ever obama one mistake maybe but to do it over and over is unbelieveable.

    April 14, 2008 at 5:18 pm |
  8. Lucy

    Obama sounds like he is trying to win the role in the next "DUMB AND DUMBER" movie.
    Wow! Obama's judgement doesn't hit the genious department to me. To add stupidity to stupidity, he makes fun of Hillary taking a shot. He sounds bitter himself. Maybe because he knows that the longer the race stays, the more it becomes evident that he is not what he portrays himself to be. He really should THINK about what he says. It makes me wonder, all of those rehearsed and borrowed speeches were put in placed for a reason, because his choice of words were prone to hurt him.

    April 14, 2008 at 1:30 pm |
  9. Maria

    Obama's whole campaign has been about judgment and change but lately with all the mistakes he’s makes and misspoken words he gives me little hope. Also after viewing a Glenn Beck show a few nights back and viewing ANOTHER pastor in his fold who has racist or radical views makes me really wonder his judgment. The Use of the word "House Nigg**" coming out of any pastors mouth is very troubling. So my question is “Why haven’t we heard more on CNN about this?” It’s one thing to have one pastor who he calls and old uncle who he has said he disagrees with but when you have more then one it makes you wonder is not just about not just his judgment but his personal feelings about white Americans and this post is being written by a proud black American who is also mixed like Obama.

    Anyways, as much as I love my CNN I personally feel CNN needs to dig a little deeper on Obama instead of giving him a free pass on who and what personal views this man might really hold before we vote. This election is too important to hold back any important we may need to know.

    April 14, 2008 at 1:21 pm |
  10. Arwa

    Sen Obama really should have not said what he said at all. It just simply sounds bad. It displays ultimately what we have been dealing with. You know, if people want to jump in his corner and defend him, that's fine, but defending a person for who they are really can only be proven by that person, not anyone else. There is speculation of former Pres Carter putting a plan in to have Hillary step aside in June. These kind of ideas are an exact example of what we don't want. Call the race off? why , because maybe, just maybe, Hillary has just as much of a chance to win as Obama. Pres. Carter really does not have a foundation in this country as the media may think he has. He has been rated as one of the worst presidents our country has had. He has been marked as soft, and unknowledgable. He failed to act and just sat on things. He left office and made it very easy for the republicans to take over. (pres Reagan) It is no wonder why he has jumped into senator Obama's corner. So goes the saying "birds of a feather, flock together

    April 14, 2008 at 1:17 pm |
  11. Sabrina in Los Angeles

    Hilary is using "Politics as usual" and Obama is calling her on the rug for it.

    It doesn't hurt him, it just proves she is still throwing everything at it to win.

    On his comments....If you are not the sovereign, and you have to "take a vote on it", you can't guarantee that once you are president anything will happen.

    I don't see his comments as Elitist, just Realistic.

    April 14, 2008 at 12:03 pm |
  12. Carol, CA

    Absolutely all of this fighting and mud-slinging has hurt them. They appear petty, childish, pandering, desperate, and one of them appears evil. All of this talk of "party unity" after one is nominated is ridiculous. These people and their supporters despise each other and they will never work together.

    Many people that I talk to, in my age group and even my 23-yr old son, previously supported one of the Democratic candidates but now say they really don't like either one of them anymore. I am a Democrat but I absolutely would never vote for one of them and I'm having serious doubts about the other one also.

    I think that McCain will probably win the presidency and, really, how bad can it be? Since the Congress is controlled by the Dems, they should be able to keep him in check so he doesn't decide to go to war with Hawaii or something. McCain's choice for Vice President is crucial. If he chooses someone that is middle-of-the-road – he's got my vote.

    The Dems had this election on a silver platter and they blew it. They have only themselves to blame.

    April 14, 2008 at 11:48 am |
  13. Taj

    Obama is honest & is not wrong about his comment on a small town crime. Hillary trying to win points on that is a shame on her. Often the truth is bitter, accept it, correct it & move on. Crime in America is everywhere from the top levels of the Govt, large town, small towns, greedy corporations, religious affiliations & individuals. America is the modern Roman empire destroying itself by bad habits. We need to regroup, rethink, build up good values & judgement and steer ourselves, the Govt , corporations, religious organizations, small and large towns in the right direction. This responsibility lies in every single person to the top levels. If we can do that certainly we will succeed.

    April 14, 2008 at 11:38 am |
  14. Savannah Martens

    John McCain can and should use the conflict between Clinton and Obama to his advantage. He may not enjoy it as a person but it would be only smart to use the strained democratic relationships as a political tool.
    Savannah Martens Dawson HIgh School

    April 14, 2008 at 11:35 am |
  15. lb

    You asked for thoughts and here they are.
    CNN has been my choice of televised news – until lately.
    My posts are held "in moderation" for days, due to what I now understand to be less appropriate to cnn's annointment of HRC.
    But last night's program with john king, campbell brown and candy crowley held after the "compassion forum" confirmed this unprofessional turn at cnn.
    Regardless of an individual's choice of candidate, the public demands accurate and truthful reporting. For cnn to play out the wrong choice of words (bitter) ad nausea over the lies and embellishments (bosnia, woman & baby's death, source of income, penn, etc.) is disrespectful to the viewers – unless of course cnn's new role, in their arrogant way, is to tell the public how to think.
    Unitl Anderson Cooper & Donna Brazile starts working 24/7, I'm back to the audio of NPR

    April 14, 2008 at 11:35 am |
  16. Cynthia

    Most definitely John McCain is benefitting from the Democrats bickering. The bigger picture is that Senator Clinton knows that in most cases Senator Obama will be the Democratic nominee and she is trying to bloody him up so much as to try to make the Democrats lose the election so that she can run in 2012. But, what she has to remember – we will not forget and she will not win in 2012.

    April 14, 2008 at 11:33 am |
  17. Mimi in Chicago

    I believe the showdown will end at the November convention.
    All this bickering has been upsetting – even though I must say Obama has been a gentleman throughout all the mudslinging.
    McCain I can envision is sitting down somewhere with a bucket of popcorn enjoying the fight.......
    If the mudslinging won't stop them McCain has a good chance of winning . Most people are just weary of the long drawn out war – I hope 4/22 decides who will take th nomination

    April 14, 2008 at 11:22 am |
  18. Michelle

    I think sometimes the media pundits create media myths.
    Where is the evidence that John McCain is benefitting from
    Dems infighting. I doubt very seriously that an Obama or
    Clinton supporter would vote for McCain.

    April 14, 2008 at 11:18 am |
  19. Diane

    I think all of their little quips back and forth about each other is really dividing the party. After all of the negative stuff that Obama is saying about Hillary her supporters will not vote for him if he ends up being the nominee running for president. They will have too much ill feelings towards him.

    I think that it is helping McCain because the dissatisfied Dems may end up voting his way.

    April 14, 2008 at 11:11 am |
  20. lee from Treasure Island Fl

    I am amazed at Hillary's OFTEN opposing views, than that of her husband, President Bill Clinton, on the major issues of this campaign for many voters. Last week we learned about her chief strategist Mark Penn being a paid $300,000 to lobby the Colombian Trade Deal, and also Pres Clinton took in $800,000 from the same country and has openly stated he is for this deal.
    Now in the LA TIMES is an article that Pres Clinton accepted a donation from Alibaba Inc which carries a Chinese government "most wanted list" of Tibetan activist, collaborating with mainland China's censorship. Yet Hillary even called for Pres. Bush to boycott the Opening Ceremonies to the Olympics! Help me and the voters get an understanding of this? And why have the Foundation and Clinton Library Donor List not been made available?

    April 14, 2008 at 11:07 am |
  21. Beverly

    Bittr comment = Much ado about nothing.

    Watching Hillary Clinton drink whiskey shots and act like a frat boy on spring break = priceless

    April 14, 2008 at 11:02 am |
  22. Kim

    This is all just "sport" to them. They will continue to bash each other until a candidate is finally announced and then they will praise each other. This is all going on while kids are still hungry and have no medical insurance and the public education system in failing our children. Millions and millions of dollars to pick a candidate and schools are using outdated text books. It's all show. It is not about "caring" or even "understanding." it is abut power.....

    April 14, 2008 at 10:58 am |
  23. Lorie Ann, Buellton, California

    At this point and time, I'm not sure of anything. I will say if it's like any other election of the past, Democrats and Republicans usually come together for their parties in the end. However this year, who knows?
    Undercutting each other's credibility, you ask? Only in November, will we all know that fact for sure.

    Lorie Ann, Buellton, Calif.

    April 14, 2008 at 10:55 am |

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