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March 22nd, 2012
01:04 AM ET

Stand your ground or duty to retreat?

Jeff Toobin discusses the 'stand your ground' law and Trayvon Martin's death investigation with the bill's co-sponsor Dennis Baxley.

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  1. starr,formerly know as vincent

    The more i hear about Mr. Zimmerman's behaviors and his verbage on the radio, the more suspicious i am of his claim of "self defense".
    I also Hear the "offensive" comment very clearly, along with his saying something like 'these guys always get away'.
    He is reported to weight 228 with a 9mm gun against a 140 lb. boy with skittles & a phone. – there is not contest!

    Also, as discussed Any forensic evidence is completely gone!
    He truly, according to witness accounts & the girlfriend, seems to have been the agessor in this case.
    My prayers to his family & friends – how can they Not be hearbroken?

    March 22, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
  2. Guillermo Irizarry

    State Rep from Ocala who wrote the law says that he Zimmarman does not qualify for law protection today in Florida news network

    March 22, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
  3. Kanekaialii

    After watching the live/breaking news of the Trayvon Martin case and the "temporary stepping-down" by Chief of Police Lee, "a day (and then some) late, and a dollar (dollars) short!" What a self-serving and preserving news break. As a former local/state/fed law enforcement offier, his beginning comments on his past enforcement experience was nothing but a "joke" and contradiction of his qualifications as a law enforcement officer, no less, a "CHIEF OF POLICE". All the basic policies, procedures, and actions, taught and exercised from the start of your career and throughout. The complete lack of and ignoring of this, and past investigations within this law enforcement agency speaks for itself. Lee needs to be "fired" and criminal as well as civil investigations should be initiated at the highest level of government, and let it flow down to the city. Not bottom on up, as you can see by present and past incidents, it's a "CYA" issue at that leve.. "OUR COMMUNITIES AND ITS CITIZENS ARE NOT AN INTERUPTION OF OUR WORK, BUT THE NO. 1 REASON FOR IT!"

    March 22, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
  4. Mike Williams

    During your segment discussing the Trayvon Martin case last night, you brought to light the case of David James. Most notibly, the assailant in this case, Mr. Dooley, is black and the victim, Mr. James, is white. Mr. Dooley is claiming self defense. The video segment shows Mr Dooley taken in to police custody and in court fighting the charges against him. I would like to know the significance of comparing this case with the Trayvon Martin shooting. Is it to show how well or poorly the "stand your ground" law works and/ or how the "stand your ground" law applied in a different case?

    March 22, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  5. Sapphire

    After listening to the police call made by Zimmerman, that you played on the air last night, I am convinced there was Indeed a racial slurr made and it sounded to me and my daughter like "fucking coon." In fact, it is my opnion that the slurr went unnoticed because this type of ignorant, hateful language is used more often then not, by certain members of the police staff in question. Negative thoughts and perceptions of Trayvon Martin were already embedded in Zimmerman's psyche. Zimmerman assumed Trayvon was a threat, not from any personal encounter that he had with the boy, but from a negative social stereotype. Hate is hate and wrong is wrong. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks and Zimmerman spoke what was in his heart.

    March 22, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
  6. Frank Robin

    Someone should organize a boycott of the State of Florida. Perhaps, if the people of Florida can associate economic loss with their ill conceived "Stand Your Ground" law, they will change it.

    At the very least, a boycott would alert people to the fact that no one is safe from legally sanctioned firearm violence while in Florida.

    March 22, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
  7. Kathy A

    While I can see some value to a "stand your ground" law when applied within your home/property, or if an agressor comes to you without your choice – but I cannot understand how this even applies with Trayvon Martin's death from Zimmerman! It is 100% apparent that Mr. Martin did not approach Zimmerman – did not initiate interaction with Zimmerman, and was NOT carrying a weapon!!! This is crazy – Zimmerman is a threat to society and should be locked away in jail or a hospital! And it really does speak to concerns over the right to carry a concealed weapon – Mr. Martin was a young man being followed by someone he didn't know and had every right to be defensive when approached without any cause what-so-ever – and being shot was a horrible, unacceptable, absolutely TRAGIC result of an immature, crazy individual who should never have been given the right to carry a gun! I can't believe this is even being discussed to the "stand your ground" laws on any level – Mr. Martin had just as much right to be walking on that sidewalk as anyone else, and Zimmerman needs to be taken out of society and held accountable for taking this young man's life

    March 22, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  8. Jon Parker

    Why did the police not take Zimmerman in for questioning? Even if they did not arrest Zimmerman, they should at least take him in for a thorough questioning and have his story on record immediately. There are a lot of things I wish were public. How far from the car did the confrontation take place? How far did Zimmerman pursue Treyvon? Trevon's girlfriend said Treyvon was walking fast. Did Zimmerman run to catch up? Did Treyvon stop, or did Zimmerman put his hands on him to stop him? Did Zimmerman take his gun out while pursuing? When did he take his gun out? What was Zimmerman's position when he shot Trevon? What did Zimmerman do after he shot Treyvon? What injuries did Zimmerman have? Did he see a Doctor?

    If the police had this information immediately, future information might show whether his testimony is consistent. Even with the Stand your ground law, the police need to get the facts.

    March 22, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
  9. Tyrone Green

    Does Mr Zimmerman have the right to stop and ask any individual, whats their purpose for being in the neighbor hood? whether he is a neighbor watch guard or not !!!

    March 22, 2012 at 11:54 am |
  10. Irene Hamburger

    first neighborhood watch means "Watch" not act. and why was he breathing heavy while on the phone and still in his car, why after he was instructed to stop following did he get out of his car and approach the boy. had he not gotton out of the vehicle he would not have had to susposedly defended himself , which brings us to what was he defending himself against? the boy was crying for help, and not armed. why did the police not take his gun like they do when a cop has a shooting.? STAND YOUR groung was ment for protecting yourself when you are attacked or approached in a memacing mannor not when you are the attacker. if you need to protect your self or your home and family not if you follow someone and provoke them. the police did a shabby job here they didnt do the right thing. based on what we are being told and showen this guy needs to be locked up,

    March 22, 2012 at 11:39 am |
  11. Ann

    Anderson, according to Mr. Baxley, this law would apply to adults over the age of 18 who are of age to carry a loaded firearm (not to mention ages 18-20 cannot receive a legal license). So this law does not apply to law-abiding citizens under age 18 at all, no? Mr. Baxley's main argument is that he thinks people should be able to carry a firearm to protect themselves but this leaves out children, especially innocent children like Trayvon. So why should this law apply to this case when Trayvon didn't have a chance? In the scenario that a young person is attacked and was carrying a weapon, it would have been unlawful because of their age to protect themselves using that weapon, so the law would still have been in favor of Mr. Zimmerman even if he was the aggressor.

    March 22, 2012 at 11:12 am |
  12. Lynne Epstein

    It is my understanding that if a person has a carry permit for a weapon and is on a legitimate neighborhood watch shift, he or she must NOT carry that weapon. This is a rule of the neighborhood watch program (and seems like a good one). If this is true, then this makes the current situation even more heinous. Please look into this to "keep them honest":

    March 22, 2012 at 10:53 am |
  13. TSgt Nick Parker

    Stand your ground and live or retreat and become a victim. Violent crminals thrive off of fear and violence. They will attack what they see as weakness, which is why you should stand your ground and where the law applies. But a stand your ground law does not mean you should attempt to engage a potential threat and that is where the Florida Law ends and a potential crime begins. When under serious threat you protect yourself, loved ones, and innocent people whose lives are in jeopardy. You stand your ground, you do not move towards the threat to engage it as at that point you become the violent offender.

    March 22, 2012 at 3:28 am |
  14. Mr. Leonard

    This Trayvon Martin case is an example of wrong & wrong...I have been in law enforcement, neighborhood watch and security work...and regardless of the "Stand your groung law" all security and law enforcement officers across the country always train for the "Deadly Force Rule"... The only time any security,neighborhood watch,or law enforcement may use deadly force is when deadly force is being used against you or someone else..."immediate life threatening danger" which Trayvon "did not display"...at the very least Zimmerman should be charged with Manslaughter.... the loss of this young mans life should not have happened....its a sad day...

    March 22, 2012 at 1:58 am |
  15. Gloria Mitchell

    If that young man was not doing anything wrong,he owed zimmerman no explanation,as to where he was going!
    zimmermam's friend, shoulde ashame for the comment he made.

    March 22, 2012 at 1:25 am |

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