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November 12, 2009
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Tonight new details on the suspected Fort Hood gunman. New suggestions his problems were overlooked and he was promoted due to political correctness. We're keeping them honest. Plus, new data on the number of swine flu deaths. Plus, Anderson and Erica chat with Oscar the Grouch.

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Gloria, Brooklyn, NY   November 12th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

A Merry Good Evening To Everyone!

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Good evening Anderson, Erica, Megan, and Bloggers! :)
Anderson, your back in New York! :)

I hope that you all had a great Thursday!

Looking forward to hearing about the new details re. Hasan.

Isabel Siaba (Brazil)   November 12th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Good evening, Anderson!
Hello David (Indiana), friends and bloggers!

I'm fighting with sleep, but I'm here! :)

Megan Dresslar - Shoreline, WA   November 12th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Helloooo Anderson, Erica, Ed Henry, David Gergen Martina Ilstad, Emily and my friends Twitter/Facebook Bloggers!!!!!

Anderson,
Welcome back home to New York, HUGS!

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Is it worse that Hasan is going to be charged in a Military Court?

What would the difference be?

btw,
glad to hear about these charges!

Cessy, Chicago IL   November 12th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Hi Anderson...lots of interesting news tonight!

"starr, formerly known as vincent   November 12th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Good evening Anderson, Erica & entire Team 360.

Good evening fellow bloggers.

Looking forward to several reports tonight.

Gloria, Brooklyn, NY   November 12th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Fort Hood has my blesses!

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

"Hasan Missed Signals" ...they have to get answers to these questions!

Glad to hear that Pres. Obama ordered a review of this!

Isabel Siaba (Brazil)   November 12th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

The limits of the human mind are so sublimes. Why do humans tend to believe that the worst will not happen?

Hasan missed signals ... why signs that were not enough?

Mike, formerly from Syracuse   November 12th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Political correctness is still causing denial of the reality here.

Danielle - Long Beach, CA   November 12th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

All these goings on about "warning signs" have got me puzzled. It seems that people are only aware of them after people do something that is considered crazy. I wonder how many other people in the military have radical religious views (not just Muslim) and have gotten bad performance evaluations and are not happy about going off to a war that it appears we most certainly won't win. It doesn't seem to strange to me, but if that same person goes and kills a bunch of people, these things that seem reasonable now become warning signs that someone is psychotic.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

@ Gloria, Brooklyn, NY,

"Fort Hood has my blesses!"

i think that many people agree with you here.

I just hope that they get answers to questions that should have been answered long ago!

Jo Ann, North Royalton, Ohio   November 12th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

Political correctness is wrong when it puts others in danger.

Megan Dresslar - Shoreline, WA   November 12th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

FBI have to stopped Hasan, but it already fail, FBI missed his sign warning as well.

"starr, formerly known as vincent   November 12th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

Mr. Kennef is right, doc's and other medical people tend to elecit a different response from people. "Rarified" could well be an accurate term here.

gail   November 12th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

I am glad the President Obama has ordered a review. i have been reading about the backlash against Muslims since this has happened and it makes me really sad that this man is not separated from the good and decent people that are Muslims as well and would never do anything this evil. Just easier fro some to condemn the whole religion , I guess.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

Why didn't anyone call this a terror attack?
Is it not being referred to as that?

I thought that I heard that Hasan yelled something in Arabic?
I have no idea what however....

Megan Dresslar - Shoreline, WA   November 12th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

Emily,
Yeah, It is be charged for murder 13 people, I think it will be 2 weeks ahead.

Mike, formerly from Syracuse   November 12th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

I'm wondering why with all the evidence, there are still those who claim this wasn't a terrorist attack. What do they need, an Al Queda membership card in Hasan's wallet?

gail   November 12th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Warning signs are always easier to see in 20/20 hindsight.

Jo Ann, North Royalton, Ohio   November 12th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

If PC is the reason that this massacre happened, then I wonder how many more cases like this might be ongoing in the military? I doubt this is the only one.

Danielle - Long Beach, CA   November 12th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

I should add that I in no way agree with what this man did at Fort Hood but I don't consider these "warning signs" would have been anyway to determine that this man would commit such a heinous act of violence against his fellow soldiers. I don't think there is any completely accurrate/comprehensive way of determining if someone will do something like this.

Al   November 12th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

To me this trajedy is a direct result of political correctness gone wrong in the military. People were afraid to confront and discipline him because he was muslim.

Mike, formerly from Syracuse   November 12th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

@Jo Ann, political correctness is wrong, period.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

@ gail,
that power point presentation, why was he giving that?

Also, contact with a known terrorist?
He was a MD, not a spy!

David, Indiana   November 12th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

Good evening Anderson, Erica, Isabel, everyone. Col. Kimberly Kesling's comment, that those practicing with Maj. Hasan worked to do the things, when he initially did not fit in, to work him into their unit is an oddly positive note in this tragic situation.

I'm sorry but with a country fighting to prevent terrorism, and with Military intelligence being experience with what can happen to agents, didn't anyone think that Maj. Hasan would be in danger of being conflicted? Was anyone watching out for him on that?

RJ   November 12th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

As a psychiatrist who ran a training program for many years, I can say that there are huge obstacles to intervening with incompetent trainees. That said, the "right" thing to do is to protect the public from incompetents and intervene. The Army failed to do its job in this situation. I know why but can't excuse it. It's a shame.

Dulcie - Denver   November 12th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

re: Abortion and the Health Care legislation:

I'm wholly in favor of legal abortion, but I think that if it's going to be a sticking point in passage of a health care bill, then it should be eliminated. Don't let it be used as an excuse to derail health care.

Personally, I get very tired of the 'I don't want to pay for that' argument. There's a lot of things I don't particularly want to pay for, but this is a democracy.

Gloria, Brooklyn, NY   November 12th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Wild, that abortion is a tough cookie!

John Peterson   November 12th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

If Hasan were insane, how would he know? He's insane. Is "off the reservation" politically correct?

gail   November 12th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

There are some that are calling this a terrorist attack , but as a partisan attack on the administration. I am glad that some are being more circumspect and careful to wait for all the facts before reflexively calling this a terrorist attack.

Jay   November 12th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Big corporations do not want health care reform to pass. The abortion amendment is a way to sidetrack health care reform.

Mike, formerly from Syracuse   November 12th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

No one has taken away any rights with this amendment. If abortion is a choice as the pro-choice people say, then it's NOT a required medical procedure. It's no different than a nose job, and tax dollars shouldn't pay.

Megan Dresslar - Shoreline, WA   November 12th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

I opposed abortion healthcare as well, I am thinking if they will take adopt children or give up for babies.

SFC william harris   November 12th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

I am a commander of a unit myself and I pride myself on not being politically correct. I cannot stand that title or worthless idea. I often tell my soldiers that I do not care where they come from, what color or religion they are, just that I expect them to perform as soldiers and if they prefer to get anything else in the way of performing their duties and keeping each other alive then they are removed from the unit. I do have compassion for certain issues (Family issues is a good subject) and I treat my soldiers with respect. Concerning Major Hasan, had he been in my unit and uttered one syllable of a threat, I would have had him removed regardless of political correctness. No one threatens the lives of my soldiers and gets away with it.

Gady Mayen - Hamilton, Canada   November 12th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

Good evening everyone, Anderson, Erica, Bloggers, and AC360 team... I thought the Healthcare stuff was all over :-) All I say is that if people want to abort their children, their own blood, it should come out of their own pockets. Its not right that others participate in what other people's decisions do...

Soraya   November 12th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

I believe signs were definately missed and someone should have raised the flag regardless of the consequences.

Alex Valiao (Aliso Viejo, Ca)   November 12th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

Good evening! :) Heavy starting today...not complaining. It just means I have to put my comments early. Political correctness, bias and stereotypes... This just shows how much one's thorough and deep self-awareness of our police, analysts and defense officers is imperative to effectively act on critical issues such as terrorism, crimes and etc. We have lessons learned.

Abortion should not derail HCR. It is just a minute piece of the pie not the entire pie. Isolating the issue should not be done but magnifying its importance should not be allowed either.

Erica Hill
CNN
  November 12th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

hi, everyone

Cash   November 12th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

So the doctor's colleagues thought, "Hey, he only prescribes medications, how dangerous can he be?"

For the patients who encountered this madman and were confronted by, and perhaps internalized, his values and his frame of reference, there's no telling how much damage he did to them. Those who received his medical attention when he clearly was off the rails should have an opportunity to receive treatment that could help undo the damage he did to them.

Isabel Siaba (Brazil)   November 12th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

@ David, Indiana

I agree with you. Military, police, doctors and other professionals have a day-to-day tense and always on the cusp of feelings. There should be a care and attention to their health.

gail   November 12th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

I think that to put the issue of abortion over the overall bill is a mistake. I do not believe that federal funds should be used , but the Stupak amendment prohibits a woman buying into the exchange with her own private money a plan that covers abortion. This goes too far.

Megan Dresslar - Shoreline, WA   November 12th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Hi Erica!!!!!
Nice see you tonight!

Robby   November 12th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

What happened with "Separation of Church and State" with regards to health care? At what point do we strip the Catholic Church of their tax exemption status? I say NOW!

"starr, formerly known as vincent   November 12th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Candy is right, after the conference committee, this bill will look very different.

I don't understand. Abortion is a Legal procedure under the laws of the USA. Why then, can't it be an included procedure in health care insurance reform bill?

Jason   November 12th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

We are taught in the Army that indivdulaism will get you killed. We are all a team. People like Maj. Hasan should not be allowed to have individual thinking, let alone voice their opinions. As a private and up we are taught that you don't have rights anymore, you are a solider.

Marije terEllen-Flaherty   November 12th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

Have some people forgotten that abortion is LEGAL?

dbrown   November 12th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

Does the current Health Insurance that the Congress is provided cover abortions? And how many insurance companies cover the costs for abortions in their basic coverage and under what circumstances?

Tony, San Jose, CA   November 12th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

Unfortunately, the specter of political correctness plays heavy in interracial relations these days. This is why mainstream Muslim leaders should continue to call their brothers and sisters to action: Peaceful Muslims would be able to call out their radical brethren with less fear of being labeled insensitive.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

Good evening Erica,

Glad to see you on the blog tonight, ...and that Anderson is back there in New York.

Karen   November 12th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

I just don't see that the Stupak amendment curtails private purchase of insurance for abortions, nor does it curtail state funded purchase in those states that have purchased their own insurance for abortions. Is it perfect? No, but at least it does not eliminate it.

It is SO frustrating that this issue always becomes the sticking point for everything. It is especially frustrating when the more conservative a group is about their "freedoms" and keeping out government the more those same people want to regulate women's health care and their choices. SO frustrating.

Shelley from Chicago   November 12th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

Our right of free speech in this country is not to protect popular views as much as unpopular ones. Those with unpopular views generally don't go on shooting sprees. That's called psychosis.

Jo Ann, North Royalton, Ohio   November 12th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

@Mike, formerly from Syracuse, You have a point, but when it has to do with people with disabilities I would have to disagree.

Pearlie   November 12th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

Thomas Kenniff is 'spot on'. I'm a clinical social worker, who just left active duty. I worked 3 years at Walter Reed and was there when Hasan was there. The Ft. Hood incident could have been avoided. But this is just the tip of the iceburg. Too much tolerance is something that's going to strangle the very life out of our nation.

Isabel Siaba (Brazil)   November 12th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

Very sad in Pakistan!

Sande   November 12th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

I hope the women' rights group are not expecting tax payers to pay for abortions outside of rape and the threatened health of a pregnant woman. There are far too many preventative measures that can be taken to avoid pregnancy-period. And regarding the Catholic Church and abortions, they had better keep quiet and stay out of politics because they live in glass houses.

Jennifer - AZ   November 12th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

I am pro-choice, but I don't see why this addition is such a big deal. Are there really that many women out there wanting state funded abortions? There is no funding now, so why not add the pro life stipulation and get us at least basic health care.

Eliot S   November 12th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

From what Major Hasan said in class, it would not have been politically incorrect for his colleagues to have spoken out in concern... He was vocal about some very extremist views, not ones typical of muslims in America.

Gady Mayen - Hamilton, Canada   November 12th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

I don't know if anyone else notices but as technology develops, people's actions become more extreme, in the past there was no thing as an abortion...

"starr, formerly known as vincent   November 12th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

Hi Erica! Always glad to see you on the blog.

dbrown   November 12th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

Robby has stated the obvious. Religious groups are now crossing the line when it comes to their political agendas. If they want to wield their power of the masses then they do not deserve to do so while not paying taxes.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

When times are bad, there seems to be more and more people out there trying to extort money from the rich & famous!

Dulcie - Denver   November 12th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

@dbrown:

Some health care plans cover abortion, some don't. Some insurance companies offer identical policies – one offering abortion coverage and one that doesn't. There's usually very little difference in price, it's just an opt-in, opt-out thing.

Jay   November 12th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

People who have not served or who serve in the military in the military are quick to point the finger at the military. Hindsight is 20/20 after an incident you can monday morning quaterback everyone who had contact with Hassan.

Megan Dresslar - Shoreline, WA   November 12th, 2009 10:23 pm ET

Wow! More people died due swine shot, That is so terrible sad. How many people died total?

Paula, Colorado   November 12th, 2009 10:23 pm ET

Anderson,
Hi!
I was kind of interested in her book at first, but now it just seems like Sarah Palin never left campaigning.

dr. roy richardson   November 12th, 2009 10:23 pm ET

With reference to the Swine Flu. Deaths are piling up across the country and there is still no availability for the vaccine. We can't even find a local site that is offering the seasonal vaccine – not even our grandchildren's pediatrician's office.

It's a national disgrace!

Sid   November 12th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

I have served as an airforce psychiatrist. Failure to respond to bizarre or inappropriate behavior by anyone in the military is iin itself inappropriate. The result of an all volunteer military force is that fear of retaliation or not being promoted for speaking out effects everyone and in this case did interfere with an appropriate action to at least effectively review the doctor's actions in his clinical work. This case touches on signficant issues when doctors worry more about the chaim of command then clinical care . In this case it led to the death of 13 individuals.

Michelle D. Fonthill .Ont   November 12th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Hello Anderson ,Erica and bloggers

I have missed live blog for awhile nice to see you all again !
Such a debate on healthcare and abortion .

Gady Mayen - Hamilton, Canada   November 12th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

A priest has a son ... well ... I guess everyone has their secrets, not all bad secrets ...

David, Indiana   November 12th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

@Isabel, on missed signals, the work in medical school has to be very hard, there should be more time to communicate.

I think Candy Crowley made an excellent pt. "There are these questions and then there is the overwhelming need" to pass some kind of HealthCare Reform and get people who need access to health care some insurance.

The number of deaths from H1N1 is worrying. Hoping vaccinations are becoming rapidly available. How does this number compare to deaths from regular flu?

Jay   November 12th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

Hi Erica

Gloria, Brooklyn, NY   November 12th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

@ Emily

"Here! Here!'

Jo Ann, North Royalton, Ohio   November 12th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

This woman was married at the time? She is not innocent either.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

"A Priest's Secret Son"
this story is so sick to me....how could she have a child with a priest?!

as a devoted Catholic. she should not have ANYTHING to do with a priest, sexually, etc.

Isabel Siaba (Brazil)   November 12th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

This story is so absurd, surreal and so antithetical to everything the Church preaches!

gail   November 12th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

Yet again , the Catholic church is hiding secrets yet earlier saw a priest excoriating Rep. Kennedy for his vote on Stupak. What hypocrites some have been in this church.

Mike, formerly from Syracuse   November 12th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

Swine flew has now killed about 4,000 according to the CDC. That's 3X the deaths from Katrina, and about the same as the Iraq war or 9/11. Where is the outrage at the Administration over the lack of a vaccine?

Jennifer - AZ   November 12th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

@ Gail

Thanks for the comments – You have raised some important things to check about the health care bill; I'll have to read the Stupak amendment for myself.

Michelle D. Fonthill .Ont   November 12th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

HI Erica nice to have you on blog tonight .

Wayne   November 12th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

The church has left their own priest in rooms to die alone, why would they not do the same to a "secret" son?

David Gergen   November 12th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

Hello everyone - thanks for tuning in tonight. The Stupak amendment in health care says that if a woman buys health insurance in one of the new exchanges and her insurance is partially paid for by the federal government, the insurance plan could not cover abortion. She would have to buy a separate "rider".

Pro-choice groups say that few poor women would buy such riders because (a) they wouldn't have the money; (b) a woman would not buy an insurance plan for an unplanned abortion, and (c) no one can be certain that insurance companies will actually offer such riders. So, the argument goes, many women who might otherwise get insurance for abortion will not get it - and that will hit poor women the hardest.

What do you think?

Natasha   November 12th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

"A Priest's Secret Son" – what a tragic story. My heart goes out to the mother and her son.

Danielle - Long Beach, CA   November 12th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

The church will give out hush money for molestation but they won't pay for this? This is sad.

Mike, formerly from Syracuse   November 12th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

How is caring for a sick adult (he's 22 now) the Church's problem? If the priest were paying child support it would have ended at 18.

Michelle D. Fonthill .Ont   November 12th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

How many people have died as result of swine flu ? The numbers seem to be growing despite the vaccine being availabe .Is only certain numbers of people getting this vaccine now or is it avaible to everyone ?

Jo Ann, North Royalton, Ohio   November 12th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

Gary is right, the church should have thrown him out and told him to support his kid.

Natasha   November 12th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

How many people die each year of the regular flu?

Cynthia, NC   November 12th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

Greetings everyone from rain-soaked NC. The priest’s secret son story is both sad and troubling.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

@ Isabel Siaba (Brazil),

I agree with you completely!
And she really thought that the Church would be there for her, after 'signing' them both away?
absolutely absurd!

Michelle D. Fonthill .Ont   November 12th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

This woman should not have had any invlovement with preist . My heart breaks for her son it's very sad .

Michelle D. Fonthill .Ont   November 12th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

She was wrong to believe that the church would give her money .They would only want her to go away and not cause further scandal .

Mike, formerly from Syracuse   November 12th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

@David Gergen, there are so many means of birth control available that there is no need to fund abortions. The vast majority of abortions are just after the fact birth control. Let those who want a 'choice' make a choice for responsible sex.

Isabel Siaba (Brazil)   November 12th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

I'm Catholic and I'm aware that such stories are not rare, but that story impresses and saddens me because it goes against everything I learned in Church.

Gloria, Brooklyn, NY   November 12th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

It is never good to keep secret.

"But there is nothing carefully concealed that will not be revealed, and cecret that will not become known." Luke 12:2

I hope the child get better, and the child gets the help he needs.

Wayne   November 12th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

The church needs to examine the word celebant. I think it reads celebrate not celebant. :) I am sorry for the sad and tragic story. Celebancy is not working!

gail   November 12th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

@ David Gergen
I think that women and our rights should stop being the political football for people in Congress that profess that they want government to stay out of our lives, but then proceed to pass amendments like these. While I do not think that federal funds should be used for abortions, I also think that to prohibit the language for abortion to be covered even with private funds in the insurance exchange is wrong. Just say that if your coverage is publicly funded abortion is not covered, deny it. However if I pay for the plan on my own , it's my private decision. Asking women to buy a separate rider is an insult because it feeds into the stereotype that women plan to have abortions. It is insulting to our intelligence and our ability to make our own decisions.

Dulcie - Denver   November 12th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

@David Gergen,

It annoys me that women's health and reproductive issues are so offensive to the conservatives, but I also don't want to see health care legislation held up because of it. Of course it'll cover Viagra and other ED treatments for men! Because apparently men have the right to have sex. The underlying message is that men have a right to sex while women are punished for it.

However, I don't think this is the right time for this fight. Get health care passed and address these inequities later.

Michelle D. Fonthill .Ont   November 12th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

They keep saying that periest should be alloweed to marry and that this wouldn't happen if they were allowed to

Jo Ann, North Royalton, Ohio   November 12th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

The church hides these criminals. I wonder how the parishioners feel about paying for these priests' sins?

Denise   November 12th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

Contradiction alert! The Catholic Church is ready to excommunicate congressmen who vote for pro-choice oriented legislation, but they won't do the same to a priest who fathered a child? The irony is thick...

dbrown   November 12th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

FYI – Federal Election Commission Records show the RNC purchases its insurance from Cigna. Two sales agents for the company said that the RNC’s policy covers elective abortion. Just a little hypocrisy....

Jennifer - AZ   November 12th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

Great interview, Gary T.

Michelle D. Fonthill .Ont   November 12th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

@Isabel it also saddens me as a catholic myslef it's sad when it's everyothing you believe in is turned upside down .

Mike, formerly from Syracuse   November 12th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Did this woman ever think to get a job and support herself?

Gady Mayen - Hamilton, Canada   November 12th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

There is something I have always wondered for my entire life... how come priests can't get married? Is it a written law or something??

"starr, formerly known as vincent   November 12th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Gary Tuchman:
Thank you for exposing the hypocrisy in this story. Your report was quite revealing.

How could the priest stay in the church And continue his affair?Why was he not expelled from the church?

Once again the Catholic church demonstrates a complete lack of moral/ethical understanding and behavior in this case. How does this church expect people to respect its doctrine and want to stay or join?
And then Two affairs...
My thoughts & prayers are for the young man & his mother.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

@David Gergen,
Is this re. all Abortions? ..even if a women becomes pregnant due to rape, incest, etc?

If so, I think that there may be women taking drastic actions to terminate the pregnancy....even committing suicide.
Abortion should not be a form of birth control, however, I don't believe that most women feel that it is.

Danielle - Long Beach, CA   November 12th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Wow, this is a new one for me. A deadbeat father that's a father. I feel sorry for the son. The mother and father are not innocent.

Michelle D. Fonthill .Ont   November 12th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

@Denise i agree with you .They should excumincate the priest as well as congressman who vote pro-choice .

Casey Jones - Palm Springs, CA   November 12th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

I think Nathan is really hurting emotionally. I guess this story is a good example of how followers can't rely on their religion to be respectful, ethical and, at bare minimum, do what's right.

Henya CA,   November 12th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

As to abortion I am pro choice and to the Congressman’s and Senators live your religion at home Do not bring it to the Flore
Do watt is right for the citizens of this country, especially the rights of a woman.

Megan Dresslar - Shoreline, WA   November 12th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

That's so silly thought priest had big secret never tell anyone about son. Not right!

Susan   November 12th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Nathan is lucky compared to so many children I know whose fathers have abandon them entirely. $11,000/yr. sound reasonable and comparable to what friends of mine are getting.

Susan   November 12th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

Priests do have a higher level of ethical responsibility.

David Gergen   November 12th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

Thanks for the thoughtful responses on abortion coverage and health care tonight. Wish all conversations on tv about this issue were as good.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

What is Barbara talking about?

She should have known better!!!

Here yet AGAIN, another person making excuses for someone else's bad behavior!

Andy, Ashland, WI   November 12th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

Being the last couple that Father Henry was able to marry before he was suspended, I would just like to say that he is a great man and also my wife and myself are proud to say that he married us.

Sydney McIlroy   November 12th, 2009 10:40 pm ET

How can Mr. Donohue ignore the clear power imbalance?
I can't believe he is even trying to make the case that the Catholic Church is a victim. please

Casey Jones - Palm Springs, CA   November 12th, 2009 10:40 pm ET

@Henya, It's ironic that men (who head religious organizations and dominate our legislatures) are the ones making decisions about a woman's issue, don't you think?

Rich   November 12th, 2009 10:40 pm ET

How can anyone compare the Catholic Church and a Priest to CBS and David Letterman and be serious about it?

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

@ David Gergen,
Glad to see you on the Blog tonight with us! :)

gail   November 12th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

There is a victim here, the child! Also this woman was suffering mental problems and it is a sacred trust that the priest violated. Church officials should have kicked this man out , period. Do not compare David Letterman to this priest. This man defended the church on this is sickening especially .

Susan   November 12th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

I think Mr. Donahoe's position is that many organizations are conflicted about how to handle internal sexual scandals. Why wouldn't Pat have utilized the Shriner's hospitals that is completely FREE to the families?

Jo Ann, North Royalton, Ohio   November 12th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

That is right Anderson, the Catholic church does have a record of hiding these adulterer and pedophile priests by moving them around from parish to parish!

Denise   November 12th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

While there are school teachers who are guilty of conduct similar to that of the priest, I have never heard of a school district paying off the families of the children these teachers have abused. You can't say the same for the church...

Gady Mayen - Hamilton, Canada   November 12th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

I may be a Catholic but I'll never understand how religion really works...

David, Indiana   November 12th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

@Isabel, yes the feelings must be very intense for those professions, overwhelming and deeply felt. You are right there should be care and attention.

I agree the Church made a bad decision. I don't understand the agreement, but I think Pat should've taken Father Henry to court for child support.

No this isn't that strange a case, is it? Seems like there are many priests who violate their celibacy vows who leave or have to leave the priesthood. Maybe he wanted to continue to be priest, but he had to continue being a supportive father. At least there was some financial support. But the agreement was a problem. Should've been dealt with in open court.

"starr, formerly known as vincent   November 12th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

@David Gergen, Abortion is Legal in this country. Therefore, Why should it be a "denied" procedure that affects women only?(i'm not partiicularly fond of penile implants, but i don't expect them to be denied procedure).

I could see Ins. Co.s charging quite a bit for a "rider" on their policy.

Isabel Siaba (Brazil)   November 12th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

There is free will ... if a priest wants to relate to a woman, he should leave the Church. Make the choice of priestly life and the live in family. The rules are to be followed!

Cover-up an error is the worst that could have happened! Very sad!

Wayne   November 12th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

The Psalmist says to be still and know that God is God. I hope Nathan can hear God in this.... How sad!

Jane - Vt   November 12th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

Hi everyone.

William Donohue makes me so angry. Blame somebody else. The Catholic Church should have put the priest out of the church.

Churches have gone too far, they need to pay taxes.

Megan Dresslar - Shoreline, WA   November 12th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

Hello David Gergen,
I think people have rights to abortion, but I opposed abortion when teenagers had babies and not know how to care babies, too hard for teenagers, How about teenagers have no healthcare or insurance. Also I agree with your comment, I feel that teenagers or older moms will like rights abortion as health care as well.

Renee   November 12th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

@ Gergen: Health insurance policies have riders for maternity. Maybe some women just don't want to pay for these extra riders when they are beyond childbearing years. Just a thought.

Isabel Siaba (Brazil)   November 12th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

@ Anderson

Excellent topic and great discussion. It's a pity that it's over!

Jennifer - AZ   November 12th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

No one is to blame for the "sordid affair";
Anderson is right, the point is that the priest should have taken care of his son.

antonio-elizabeth,NJ   November 12th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

Unbelievable.

Susan   November 12th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

Priests are given unusual access to personal and intimate relationships with people as counselors confidants- and making those relationships sexual is a violation of that ethical trust.

Erica Hill
CNN
  November 12th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

A great night of discussion on some very tough topics.

We'll lighten things up a bit with Oscar just ahead... spoiler alert:
he was pretty nice, as grouches go :-)

Jo Ann, North Royalton, Ohio   November 12th, 2009 10:44 pm ET

That was an excellent report by Gary! He is, and has always been my favorite journalist on CNN!!

Gady Mayen - Hamilton, Canada   November 12th, 2009 10:44 pm ET

Oh my, the sesame street guys is on AC360?? I remember watching them when I was a kid :-) the memories :-) some good and some not so good, but what's good these days??

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:44 pm ET

@ Jo Ann,
Their record is all TOO long, and plays a really BAD song!
Shameful :(

Andy, Ashland, WI   November 12th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

Hey Anderson, you should did into the fact that the wife of this mother has also been married three times since she had the son. I smell a slight gold-digger. :)

Henya CA,   November 12th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

Priest should allow to marry then we want have those problems

Cynthia, NC   November 12th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

Anderson & Erica interview Oscar the Grouch? Ahhhhh, I'm going back to my childhood again......:)

Woody   November 12th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

Lets get it straight, the priest should have been dismissed, but this was a consensual relationship, and despite what the lady says, there was no victim here,,,the Church paid as reported an avg of 11k per year, I was ordered to pay only 400 per month, which is less than half of that, so the church fulfilled it's obligation. As someone who is battling cancer myself, I can relate with the terrible situation, but the lady has no one but herself to blame, once again we are looking for a scapegoat when personal responsiblity is what is lacking.

Adam Carroll   November 12th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

I think that sex scandals are becoming so common they are about to loose their scandalousness. It's sad.

Casey Jones - Palm Springs, CA   November 12th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

As a practical matter, celibacy doesn't make sense (preventing someone from loving someone else).

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:46 pm ET

@ Erica,

If I had lived in a garbage can for 40yrs, well....
I'm sure he's a nice as can be! :P

Mike, formerly from Syracuse   November 12th, 2009 10:46 pm ET

In NY child support is 17% of the parent's income. I suspect that $11,000 /year is way more than that. Priests don't get paid much.

Mariann   November 12th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

Anderson with Oscar.....I'm looking forward to this.

Megan Dresslar - Shoreline, WA   November 12th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

I have no idea Sarah Palin was interviewing with Oprah last night, No comment.

Karen, MN   November 12th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

Good for Nathan speaking out. I do hope he lets go of the pain now. His father isn't worth it!

Renee   November 12th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

Oh my poor Levi!

Gady Mayen - Hamilton, Canada   November 12th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

I crack up just hearing Anderson :-D But I guess no one will ever know whats the problem between Palin and Levi...

Casey Jones - Palm Springs, CA   November 12th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

Puhleeeese......Sarah Palin is all about the drama!

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

Oh Balloon Boy's family!
Anderson, what is that song of his?

Susan   November 12th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

Palin is one of the few people, that I might consider trading places with. She lives her life with adventure, daring, and is a guileless reformer.

Francesca   November 12th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

I cannot believe that this man is comparing David Letterman with a priest ! He seems not to understand that the relationship between a cleric/parishioner is a fiduciary one and he calls himself the president of the Catholic league. This story is sickening and a sad one for the catholic community as a whole. The hypocrisy of the catholic church just leaves me speechless.

"starr, formerly known as vincent   November 12th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

@David, Indiana & Isabel, Brazil, i agree with both of your comments re: the Catholic.

Sarah Palin rely dodged the Thanksgiving dinner question. Sound like a politician, oh, i forgot, she was one.

Love the hockey temper tantrum.

Karen, MN   November 12th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

Why would Levi want to go to Sarah's house for Thanksgiving. Sounds like it would be stressful. I think he has a family that loves him.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

@ Casey Jones,
I was thinking that too when Palin said it, however, I couldn't even type!
:P

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

Yay!
The BEAT360! that was funny!

Gloria, Brooklyn, NY   November 12th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

"It not good to fool 'Authority'!"

Isabel Siaba (Brazil)   November 12th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

It's great to have the Beat result at the show!

Natasha   November 12th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

oscar on 360. too cute!

Lori   November 12th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Hi Anderson, Erica, and Bloggers! and Oscar! What a pleasant Suprise! Happy Thursday.

Mike, formerly from Syracuse   November 12th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Oscar is my favorite Muppet, and he's right Elmo IS annoying.

Casey Jones - Palm Springs, CA   November 12th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Is Oscar the Grouch single? I like him.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

The Hockey Temper can really melt the Ice!
That was awesome! :P

Mike, formerly from Syracuse   November 12th, 2009 10:53 pm ET

So do they serve moose or turkey at the Palin's on Thanksgiving?

Megan Dresslar - Shoreline, WA   November 12th, 2009 10:53 pm ET

Anderson,
That is so fun see you talk Grouncy on Sesame Street. I do love this show, I was watching them, I grew up! Nice job Anderson! Can't wait! :)

"starr, formerly known as vincent   November 12th, 2009 10:53 pm ET

@Jane-VT I totally agree with your comments & i too beleive that the Catholic church has violated so many laws (& eithics) that it should have to pay taxes!

Danielle - Long Beach, CA   November 12th, 2009 10:53 pm ET

is Oscar the Grouch gonna be a regular on CNN now that Lou Dobbs is gone? LOL

lisal -canada   November 12th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

Oh are you guys ever lucky - meeting Oscar! I'm as green as Oscar with envy!!

David, Indiana   November 12th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

Hope Nathan can get better. Having love and support from his dad could help and his mom.

Lori   November 12th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

Oscar is a man ahead of his time.

Gady Mayen - Hamilton, Canada   November 12th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

I liked Sesame Street when I was a kid, but I just don't like the fact that there is a hand where the "line of symmetry" should be :-P Does Sesame Street have their own news show??

Isabel Siaba (Brazil)   November 12th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

Oscar, Erica and Anderson... cute! :)

Susan   November 12th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

Jim Henson was a genius.

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

Oscar was always my favorite character....green was my fav, color then.

This is great! LOL! :P

They have been doing a great job over there for 40yrs!
This is SO funny!

Robert - Minnesota   November 12th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

Please, will someone be verbally accountable for their actions. There is a priest hiding behind the cloth and a mother hiding behind her sick child.

Adam Carroll   November 12th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

This was my first time blogging on AC360. Enjoyed it! My thoughts and prayers are with the Fort Hood families. G'nite bloggers!

Megan Dresslar - Shoreline, WA   November 12th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

And I do love Oscar too!!! Wow! 40th years now!
Good night Anderson, Erica, Ed Henry, David Gergen, Martina Ilstad, Emily and my friends Twitter/Facebook Bloggers!!!!!
See you tomorrow night!
Have a great night and sleep tight everyone!!!! :D
Anderson,
Have a great night, good sleep at home after work!!!! See you tomorrow night!!! Have a plenty sleep! :D

Saera El Paso, TX   November 12th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

i miss Oscar!!!!
i feel so old..
i think i'll go find all those old tapes and have myself a marathon over the weekend...

good night everyone

Karen, MN   November 12th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

Good Night!

Gady Mayen - Hamilton, Canada   November 12th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

10 tonnes of trash, I guess grouch would have been happy to visit Toronto, Ontario during the garbage strike :-P

Jennifer - AZ   November 12th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

Loved the Oscar chat, Anderson and Erica!
Have a great night!

Lori   November 12th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

We had a similar experience with my son's retainer at a restaurant once. Lovely. Good night. Sweet dreams.

Gloria, Brooklyn, NY   November 12th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

Good Night Everyone! "That little green shaggy carpet always seems to my me laugh!"

Gady Mayen - Hamilton, Canada   November 12th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

Grouch was orange?? My mom is the same age as Sesame Street :-P

Isabel Siaba (Brazil)   November 12th, 2009 10:58 pm ET

Good night people! Good night Anderson! Good night David (Indiana)!

Great great show today! Thanks!

See you tomorrow!!!!!!!!!

Emily   November 12th, 2009 10:58 pm ET

Have a great night Anderson, Erica, David Gergen, Megan, and Bloggers!

Tomorrow is Friday! :D

Hope to see you then....have a great night!

"starr, formerly known as vincent   November 12th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

I Love Oscar so much......thanks for having him on. I thought he was unusually polite this evening.

Thank you and good night Anderson, Erica & Team 360. Thank you for a diversified show tonight.
Thank you Gary Tuchman too.

Good night fellow bloggers & friends. Hope you have a terrific tomorrow!

Gady Mayen - Hamilton, Canada   November 12th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

Well good night Anderson, Erica, Bloggers, and AC360 team :-D ... I like the Grouch piece :-) brought back some childhood memories :-) Good night and take care :-)

Jane - Vt   November 12th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

Love the Muppets. Can't believe Sesame St is 40 years old.

Goodnight everyone. Welcome Adam Carroll if you're still reading.

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