Weren't some Germans just killed by muslim terrorrist in Yemen and there was not out cry from the muslim world now was there? If they weren't German they were from another European country. There was no out cry from the Muslim world on 9/11. There was no out cry from the Muslim worl when London was attacked. Don't expect non-Muslims to bust out crying over this woman. Muslims are getting what they put out in the universe on this one.

That is terrible. I think the hatred for Muslims in much of Europe today is similar to how they felt towards the Jews pre-World War II. I have a European friend who tells me Americans are close-minded and uptight, but from the looks of things, many Europeans are not any too open-minded or tolerant.

This sad story shows that extremism is not limited to Muslims. Where are the outcries against Christianity or Athiesm or whatever the murderer's religion was? If it was the other way around, there would be numerous comments on how "barbaric" or "violent" Islam is, as I've seen on similar articles where the perpetrator happened to be Muslim. Yet all i see here is shameful silence with no comments.

The reality is that the vast majority of crime in this world is not committed by Muslims. As sad as this story is, I hope her murder won't be in vain and will teach people that hate and misguided beliefs can exist among anyone of any faith. I hope people remember Marwa, her unborn child, and her brave, loving, husband, before they utter or think of an Islamophobic comment. May they rest in peace.

To condemn all of Germany because one person from the formerly Communist part of Germany acts like a monster - that's ridiculous. Besides, Muslims in Egypt have persecuted and killed minorities over and over - foreigners (including tourists), Egyptian Coptic Christians, Jews (before they were chased out). I remember an Egyptian who murdered a bunch of Israeli tourists and was hailed as a hero by many Egyptians. And let's not forget next door, Sudanese Arab persecution and mass murder of Black Sudanese. To say that this one disgusting incident, condemned by the German government, has victimized all Egyptians is just another example of how some people will grab any chance to bash the West.

So why didn't she just stay in her home country??? The muslims, in Europe, need to assimilate or not come. The reason they do is because they are there to suck the social system dry.

Thank you for giving this story some recognition. The failure to do so in a world where the media typically sensationalizes violent crime would serve only to keep people in the dark about the real danger that even the most peaceful Muslims face because of the growing disdain towards them.

thumps up..completley agree

Ray, you are a complete PUTZ. This woman was targeting NO ONE. She was targeted because she practices a peaceful, non-violent religion. You can't possible be so idiotic to think that extreme muslims are the majority? Well maybe you are. Too sad. Killing someone for their religion goes against everything America stands for. I'm guessing you are a conservative American. I would think you would stand against things that violate the ideals of this nation. I am sorry that i come from the same great nation that spawned you.

Remember, Islam is the largest religion in the world. It may be convienant to lump terrorists in with those of the Muslim faith but thats ignorant. Most muslims dont "put out" the negative karma you are referring to and the majority of them are not fundamentalists.

That is the most ridiculous and ignorant response I've ever seen! One death doesn't make another right.

This is just a tragedy. So many messed up people in the world.

Oh Ray! It's people like you that make the world go down!!! Come out of the cave you've been living in and open your mind and eyes and stop being such an idiot!

This is so sad, especially because this poor woman was murdered while pregnant, and in front of her 3 year old. That child must be scarred for life.
R.I.P.

It is so sad to read comments like the one posted by Ray. "Muslims are getting what they put out into the universe" is such a disgusting thing to say. The moral of this story is that a woman was killed, her husband is in critical condition, and now what about her son? There is no justice in killing ANYONE, and comments like this only take us backward, to a place of separation and darkness.

The fact that you have no sympathy for an innocent woman and unborn child is astounding. You can't group an entire race, religion or nationality together based on the actions of a few. I for one am a non-Muslim that thinks this was a horrific crime and I truly feel for her family and what effect this will have on her remaining child.

Coptic Christians have been persecuted by the majority Muslims in Egypt for centuries. Innocent Christians are being slaughtered by Muslims in the Philippines, Indonesia, Nigeria and the Sudan. Innocent Buddhists are being beheaded by Muslims in southern Thailand. Hindus are murdered regularly by Muslims in India and Pakistan. Centuries ago in Iran, Zoroastrians thrived; now, only a few thousands are left because of killings by Muslims. Let's not forget the slaughter of infidels in 9/11, London, Madrid, Bali and other places.The killing of one Muslim woman in Germany was committed by a hateful individual, whereas the slaughter of Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims by Muslims is SYSTEMATIC, because it is mandated by the Koran and the hatemongering Islamic clerics. Islam is NOT compatible with democracy and western values. If Muslims want respect from non-Muslims, they have to renounce all the violent passages in the Koran and other Islamic texts and adapt to the customs of their host western/democratic countries. For the time being, I have little sympathy for them.

The killer should be punished according to Germany's laws. Since the crime happened in a courtroom in front of witnesses, there's really no doubt as to his guilt. He should not be punished any more or less because of the victim, but should be sentenced the same as other murderers who committed multiple murders of mother and child.

On the same page where I clicked on this, there was a link to a story about a Florida church with a sign out front stating "Islam is of the Devil".

When people sow hatred, that's what we'll reap.

What disturbs me deeply is that most of these hatemongers are doing so in the name of Christ.

Ray – Jackson, you have forgotten your history. There was an outcry against the 9-11 terrorists from the Muslim community around the world. It wasn't until we started claiming we were fighting a holy war against Islam and invading their countries that the voices of the moderate Muslims were drowned out by the radicals.

She was killed in a court room because she accused someone of calling her a terrorist. You don't judge individuals for the actions of other individuals, only because they share the same religion. Muslims were upset at the actions of others who call themselves "Muslims", maybe not upset enough to cry (but I'm sure some cried). After all, there is nothing in Islam that calls for violence and murder, check by yourself.

Ray, you are as guilty of hate crimes as those who pull the trigger.

Ray I wanna see what you would do if someone killed your PREGNANT wife infront of you. Do you think before you talk.

I am a 2nd generation American. My heritage is German. I am Roman Catholic. I have been married for 21 years to the same man. Many might say, “Oh, conservative” but I believe that everyone has the right to their own religion, opinion, heritage and sexual orientation, perhaps that makes me a “covert liberal”.

How as a global community can we allow violence based on hate and bigotry to continue? Have our wars not taught us anything? Are we destined as a people to relive our past mistakes over and over again? I had hoped Germany, and yes the rest of the world, would take this useless killing to UNITE, instead all that we have been shown is that you will be judged and it isn’t necessarily on whether or not you broke the law but on how you “wear” your faith or what your heritage might or might not be.

I will pray for her child – for him to find peace – in a world where peace doesn’t seem to matter anymore.

Sorry Ray, you got that all twisted. Muslims won't dry out for the death of non-Muslims, just as we don't cry out for the death of Muslims. However everyone should. We should all cry out at the death of anyone who falls to the hands of intolerance and injustice. You go around saying that Muslims are only getting what they put out, and you will only create a self-fullfilling profecy. Americans will get back what they have put out. Just like dropping a poor kid into prison for doing drugs creates gansters, placing those that were at one time innocent of crimes into Gauntanamo, has turned them into monsters that we can't let loose. We need to stop this downward spiral and get over it. All life is dear, no matter who's it is.

THis is indeed sad and unfortunate and I feel badly for her and her family.

What about all the muslim women who are regularly stoned to death by other muslims if they get RAPED?!!! Where is the Muslim outcry over that?

While this was a tragic incident, it was also a very isolated incident.
If the Egyptian public wants to get upset about systematic injustice, they should look to how Copts are treated in their own country.

Jackson's logic is errily Bin Ladin-esq.

If I am not mistaken, Bin Ladin claimed that America "got what she had coming to her" because she starved hundereds of thousands of brown skinned Muslim children in Iraq and supported a European settler state's illegal occupation of Middle Eastern land...

You sound sad and pathetic. How does that make her death excusable?

Ray, I understand your concern, but it's much easier said than done. Going out and protesting every single injustice in this world is impossible. You have to choose your battles. It's a much easier battle when the sides are clear and you know which one you're on.

I think when 9/11 happened (and with other similar cases), Muslims were in utter shock that other "Muslims" carried that out. Many of them inititally wanted to believe that it was some American/Israeli consipiracy. No one wants to be associated with that kind of terrorism, including the vast majority of Muslims. It's sad and confusing to know that your "own people" can do something like that and coming up with a clear, simple, cohesive, response is more difficult. All the Muslims I have come into contact with (which have been thousands since I lived and traveled around the middle east) have been as distraught by these attacks (9/11, london, etc) as non Muslims. However, expressing those sentiments on a large scale in Muslim countries publicly requires a lot more work.

Why shouldn't we cry over the death of this innocent woman. When thousands have died in search of WMD's and none were found, but innocent Muslims paid with thier lives, girls were raped, and still no WMD's were found, then why shoud us,Muslims not cry over the unnecssary loss of this life!

I agree with Ray. It's time the Muslims understand they are putting themselves at risk and a disadvantage. I deplore this crime but it is fact and not going to go away any time soon. Stay in a Muslim country if you want to look and act like a Muslim. Your insistance to maintain your visible religious beliefs are now stirring up trouble everywhere.

"He suggested twisting this around to see how people would react to the same story. “What do you think if we have an Egyptian guy who kills a German woman in a court? What do you think would happen,” he asked"

Kahil can just do a little reseach for his answer. In 1998 I was inside a Cairo museum when an Muslim Egyptian fire-bombed a German tour bus parked outside killing more than a dozen Germans. News about it was hard to come by, but the only Egyptian response I heard was they claimed he was insane. Not sure if there was a German demonstrations over it to compare and contrast to this.

A whole lot of foreigners have been slaughtered in Egypt – the shooting of the Greek bus tour group in Cairo & the massacre of dozens of tourists in the King's Valley, the bombings on the Red Sea come to mind (not to mention dozens more terror acts outside of Egypt on embassies, barracks, 9/11 etc). I don't recall Egyptians taking to the street in outrage over these hate crimes. That does not make this killing ok but the Muslim world needs to consider why even non-racist, open-minded people might feel some conflict about the Islamic world. I certainly have considered the reasons why many Muslims are not fond of the West – there are many legit reasons. It works both ways.

Indeed they did not cry with us in fact muslim women were seen dancing on the roofs of apt bldgs in New Jersy on 9/11. Bread cast on the waters comes back to you and there is such a back lash building in the rest of the world where those of us who are not violent are appalled and disgusted by the behavior we see. To the sort who will take any of them out as quick as look at them. From the dirty death look I got from a little old muslim woman at the icecream store because I was in front of her in line (I'm an old lady too by the way), to 9/11 they just arent nice people. I never had any feelings about muslims before 9/11. But now I have to ask does anyone besides me wonder why we still consider the Saudies to be our friends. Hello?? They arent nor are the North Koreans nor are Chinese. Wake up folks. Oh and by the way we are being invaded from the South has any one noticed that??? Neither of the mothers of the New Years babies born in Dallas could speak English and were both illegals.

As long as Islam continues to aspire to violent, forcible expansion and violent POLITICAL activism - including the control of the state and acts of internal and international terrorism, the wearing of the veil constitutes a deadly taunt to everyone not a muslim.

I will not say that she deserved what she got but rather that she got what she could and should have anticipated.

Of course, the perp[etrator is a murderer and deserves full punishment under the laws of Germany.
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Ray -

To put it lightly...you're an idiot. Muslim terrorists killing Germans in an act of terror is NOT the same. Were the Germans killed innocent? Yes. Was Marwa innocent? YES. She was specifically targeted BECAUSE she was Muslim IN AN ACT OF TERROR BY A GERMAN CITIZEN. Muslim terrorists are EXTREMISTS...what about that don't you get?! There are all sorts of extremists out there...Christian and Muslim alike. Do you think the Rev. Jim Jones wasn't a Christian extremist? Or Ted Kaczynski a domestic terrorist who could easily be identified as a Christian? But true Christians would say that he could NOT be a Christian due to his acts...and Muslims will argue that middle-eastern terrorists can not be TRUE Muslims due to their acts.

Until people like you start realizing that the Islamic religion is NOT the cause of the problem, there will continue to be problems. Duh. Acts of anti-Americanism are based solely on the position that everyone in America feels and acts the same way that you do – that it is ONE set of beliefs AGAINST the other.

You obviously have a skewed view on the Islamic religion...probably based on something you heard Bill O'Reilly say in his efforts for "fair and balanced news". Seriously, stop harboring YOUR radical views and the world will be a much better place. Thank you.

right , just like all those drones with " pin-point " accuracy killing scores of old, young , non-combants almost daily . Or untold million plus in the last 8 yrs .
And what has the US put out in the universe ? , add a couple million to that from Viet Namn , and where ever our greed has taken us , you and people like you are the problem , with little or no ideas as to the solution.

Hey Ray, are you comparing Germany to Yemen? That's like comparing NY to MS. You kinda expect more from Germany, especially when you can go to jail just for denying the holocaust. FYI, the muslim world is more afraid of extremism than the west, and are constantly foiling plots of terrorism there, sometimes they're too late. Let's not lose sight of the death of an innocent pregnant woman and her fetus. Remember her when you go to church Sunday.

That is a terrible thing to say!! You are saying this poor woman and her unborn child, who did not live in Yemen, did not fly a plane on 9/11, has not blown up anyone with a roadside bomb was killed and because she was a member of the Muslim culture she deserved to die. WOW!!!

In that case Blacks can blame White Americans who brought Africans to America against their will and sold and beat into slavery when a black man kills a white pregnant woman, they can say " Whites are getting what they put out in the universe on this one".

You sound racist and should really be ashamed of yourself!!

Lori...how do you get from one to many?

This is a heinous crime, irrespective of who committed it. People fear or are uncomfortable with differences. And some teach their children to hate people who are different. This is one reason I strongly support public eduction. Children from all cultures and walks of life become accustomed to being around others who are from different cultures and they have an opportunity to learn not to fear or hate. It doesn't help that Islam is going through its own form of dark ages at the moment on the world stage. I imagine if the Spanish Inquisition were occurring now, there would be a lot of anti-Christian sentiment similar to the anti-Muslim sentiment we all know exists.

Maybe its no coincidence that Ray is from Jackson, MS. Of course Mississippi was without question the worst place for Blacks post Civil War and during the modern Civil Rights era.

Its a tradgedy what happened to this woman. This is a fact irrespective of her ethinicity or the ethinicities of those posting about it.

Ray: You are an idiot, and a moron, and a racist!!

I don't care if this woman was muslim, black, white, brown, blue, or from Mars! She was 3 months pregnant and playing in a park with her 3 year old son! For ANYONE to brutally murder her in that way, IN A COURT OF LAW!!... and in front of her own children and family, is an absolute outrage!!

We so easily forget that there were indeed MANY Muslims, and people of all faiths from all over the world, who were VERY outraged on 9/12... There was a tremendous amount of sympathy for the US in the days and weeks just after 9/11. We forget because the Bush administration squandered all of that good will in an unnecessary, unprovoked, probably illegal, and utterly mismanaged war in Iraq.

Where was your outrage on April 19, 1995 - The day Tim McVeigh - A good old American white boy - brutally murdered 168 American's in Oklahoma City?

This kind of stupidity - The idiot in Germany, the idiot in Yemen, and yes, the idiot in Jackson, MS - will only end when we ALL realize that all people from all parts of the world have far more in common with each other than we have differences.

Can we all just STOP THE STUPIDITY???

3,000 Muslims were killed in the world trade center.

Ray killing a pregnant person and a Muslim Sister who wears the hijab is like killing mother theresa or Mary the mother of Jesus peace be upon him. The whole world today suffered, especially the West, it has lost its moral place. After a court room she was stabbed. The grovernment failed, The German filled.
Don't worry about Muslims, worry about God no deed goes unpunished. And this also should be a message to Muslims everywhere the hijab is a symbol of pride. France, Turkey, Iran, and China. Wake up. Wake up. The clash of civilizations has begun and peace just died.

This is disgusting. A woman is stabbed to death in front of her husband and young child. We should all be crying, Ray, whena tragedy like this unfolds, regardless of the person's nationaility, race or religion.

This happened in a courtroom??? Where was the security at the courthouse to:
a) prevent the accused from carrying a weapon (kind of a basic thing)?
b) stop an attack in progress. She was stabbed 18 times??? Why was only the husband trying to stop the attack?

These are the angles I am interested in, regardless of the person's religion. I feel for this family.

Germany, and many other European countries, are reproducing at a rate of 1.1 approx, the "newcomers" – muslim immigrants – are reproducing at a MUCH larger rate. Literally there is the possibility of the native western civilization being overtaken within a few generations. While most Germans- or other Europeans – would never take to violence against muslims, and would also never condone it, I do know that there is beginning to be a groundswell of feeling against allowing any more immigration. The assimilation just has not taken place. I look for more strained relations among my homeland countries of Germany and France, unfortunately.

Isa – the Koran says to take the sword to the neck of any who will not bend their knee to Mohammed. Of course most who follow the faith do not take this literally. But, to deny what the fundamentalists are responding to is not the answer. We must face facts, embrace the majority of moderate Muslims and work with them...but never turn a blind eye to the latent possibility of violence by those in the minority who sincerely believe they are doing Allah's bidding.

Germany, France and Italy should not allow Muslims in their countries, they create chaos and ill will. I think women covering their heads is just ridiculous and should be banned.

Vanessa, she was there cuz her husband got a grant to to study genetic engineering. they had a 3 year old boy and she was 3 months pregnant,

In the meantime, a Paris court just convicted a gang leader of the brutal 2006 killing of a young man prosecutors said was targeted because he was Jewish. Youssouf Fofana, 28, was one of 27 people on trial in the kidnapping, torture and murder of Ilan Halimi, who was 23 years old. Halimi was found naked, handcuffed and covered with burn marks near railroad tracks in the Essonne region south of Paris on Feb. 13, 2006. He died on the way to the hospital after being held captive for more than three weeks. A month after the start of the trial, Fofana admitted to having stabbed and set fire to Halimi, pouring flammable liquid over him and setting it alight.

This mother-to-be was relying, as we do, on the rule of law. She was killed in a courtroom where she, like we, would expect the rule of law to prevail and justice, not murder, to be done.

The outcry on Marwa's behalf has to do with the perceived failure of Germany to value Marwa's life, the perceived racism behind that failure, and complacency at the fact that murder took place in a courtroom

Magdi Khalil's question is one everyone should be asking - and answering: “What do you think if we have an Egyptian guy who kills a German woman in a court? What do you think would happen?”

Asa is right: Islam does not call for violence and murder. And the tragic death of Marwa has nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism. As for Ray, well...don't expect this non-Muslim to bust out crying should someone unjustly commit violence on your person.

I can not understand such narrow minded people. Do you have empathy Ray for humans. PERIOD...If we all believed like you , what a boring ,non loving world it would be. I know many muslims who were sooooo saddened by 911. Arent your views a lot judgemental ,and you live where? Jackson Miss. They must love you there.

Folks,

To God we belong, and to God we return. May God give the lady and her unborn child a place in heaven- Ameen.

This isn't about muslims, christians, jews, or any religion. This is about someone who practiced her freedom of belief while causing absolutely no harm to anyone... only to be killed for it.

I was saddened to read about this innocent woman who was pregnant being murdered.... but I was absolutely horrified by the fact that these negligent security officers mistook her own husband as the assailant and put him in critical condition. To die is one thing.. but to live your life with the pain of having your pregnant wife murdered in front of you while the ones who had the duty to protect her ended up shooting to kill you... I can't even fathom what this man will go through once he gets out of the hospital.

Nora, 3000 Muslims were killed in the WTC?? So your saying only 17 of those casualties weren't Muslim? No more of your facts please.

How in the world did that man get a weapon in the courtroom? How did he manage to stab someone mutiple times? Were people just standing around like sheep? I think the people in the court room who didn't help are just about as disgusting as the man who stabbed the woman.

Ray – Jackson FL,

Do you live in a BOX ? There was PLENTY of outcry from Muslims ALL AROUND THE WORLD for the victims of terrorist acts. You are a racist. Educate yourself.

No one should condone the death of an innocent pregnant woman, regardless of her religious persuasion. However, what is sadder still is the hundreds of Muslim women every year who are brutally stoned, knifed and shot to death by Muslim men in so-called "honor killings" or for infractions of Islamic law. In the U.S., a Muslim father allegedly shot his two teenager daughters to death, apparently for dating non-Muslims.

Who will stand up for the rights of these women? Will the Muslim community? Evidently not.

God forbid, isn't our world grown up enough to know better? Haven't we seen enough and learned from our mistakes? And those that have been oppressed in the past, those who have lived through genocide; where are their voices of intolerance to religious and racial crimes? Money, time and effort is put into building memorials around the U.S. to remind everyone of past religious and racial crimes that didn't even occur in the U.S. What are we advocating, that it's wrong to commit crimes against one religious group or race but ok to do it to others??? Disgraceful!

Racism in any form should not be tolerated no matter where in the world you are. Anyone who tolerates it, needs to take a look at the world and realize that not just one race or religion is dominate and many make the world what it is today. Judgemental people will reap what they sow in the end and I hope that comes quickly because it's closed minded people like them that causes all the hate in the world instead of trying to promote peace they supposedly so desire. My prayers are with all that were effected by this and I hope justice is swift and harsh for the man who could take her life so unjustly.

How the hell did a convict get a hold of a knife in a court room? Why wasn't he in shackles? This was a complete and utter screwup by the courtroom security personnel.

There is very little in print, video or in understanding that doesn't state that your clothes "say who you are". They "make the man", you can "dress for success"...they "say so much about you". If I were a lawyer in this type of situation, I would put forward that this falls under Freedom of Speech/Freedom of Expression. Without saying, you can let people know everything from what kind of music you listen to all the way to whether or not you care about your appearance or adhere to company standards of dress. Barring lewdness, there is no moderation of statements of clothing in most places in the world. To deny that a person wants to say they are Muslim/adhere to the standards of their place of worship is to deny freedom of expression, therefore violating the Freedom of Speech Acts, and should be adjudicated as such. As well, barring coverings will start to inspire people with oppositional defiant and conduct disorders, and there will be confusion as to this particular expression of dress.

Is it just me, or is everyone not seeing the big picture. Religion is the greater evil here and not the muslim religion alone. How many people have died since the beginning of time in the name of religion? I believe that the undertones of religion making you a better person by treating others with respect is beyond reproach, but believing in this philosophy does not require you to believe in god. Lets face it, there are those muslims that are not extremists, but they are lumped into one group because of it. Catholic priests have been made a mockery by the payouts from the church to children that were abused in their care. The hindu and sihks have had their issues too. The Balkans, Georgia, Ottoman empire, the Crusades, and now China is getting into the act.... when does it all end? When one religion reigns supreme and the rest have been exterminated?

"Why wasn't there an outcry of the Germans about this atrocity?"
"What about Christians who are murdered by Muslims?"
"What about the innocent casualties of the war in Iraq?"
"What about the Jews? Buddhists?, Slavery?, etc."

Whaaaaaa, like a bunch of babies.

Cry out for the mother and her unborn child being slain in front of her husband and 3-yr-old by an extremist piece of garbage.

Bob, Islam isn't the largest religion in the world; Christianity is.

Hate crimes happen everywhere in the world; it is just so sad that it happened where people could've stopped it. And while I feel for the victim, I've been the recipient of horribly nasty insults and physical groping while living in the Middle East and Africa. I would've been laughed out of the country had I brought a suit or complaint. It seems to me Germany should be applauded to have such advanced laws that seek to respect the individual and protect his/her dignity.

This is a shocking and sad incident. To kill anyone, but especially a young, pregnant mother, in such a public and brutal way, is quite obviously the savage work of an unhinged mind and must be condemned. But step back for a moment from the actions of a sick individual and see how this very sad occurrence will be used by the Islamic extremists as a way to foment hatred. How many Muslims live in Germany, and how many live there peacefully? Quite a few, I believe.
How many are murdered in a courtroom? So far, apparently one.
Germany extends freedom of religion to Muslims; the actions of a single, twisted individual do not reflect Germany's laws and statutes.
Now compare Germany to say, Saudia Arabia, where Christianity is banned and leaving the Muslim faith is a criminal offense.

Where was the Muslim outrage when the filmmaker Van Gogh was stabbed to death on the streets of Amsterdam and the knife left stabbed into his chest with the note – Death to Infidels? Perhaps Islam is a religion of peace, and I have no doubt that many Muslims are peaceful people. How then to explain that of all the various little wars going on right now, Muslims and the concept of jihad are involved? Think Bali, think the Phillipines, think the Sudan, think Mumbai. Think 9/11.

The issue is, as horrific as this murder is, the systematic policies of the West versus the systematic policies of countries ruled by Islam. And ruled is the right word.

So, take your pick. Would you rather live in a world ruled by the dictates of shari'a law, or in a world of Western civilization? Because you cannot have them both.

This story is tragic. Many Christians in the Middle East are persecuted. However, those of us who are Christian must not use this as an excuse to ignore this crime. We must work to bring peace to all.

This is a horrible tragedy. As it is a Horrible tragedy in Egypt when a women is stoned to death for not wearing a veil .

Terrible it happened, but why is there never any outcry from Muslims condemning the terrible things that Muslims due to Westerners on a regular basis. Can anyone forget all the Muslims celebrating in the streets after the World Trade Center attacks? Westerners are not doing that, but if Muslims hate us, why should we care?

It also should be noted that in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, many of the news channels were showing scene after scene of Palistinians litterally dancing in the streets, celebrating the fact that America had been attacked by Islam. And it wasn't only in Palistine that the celebrations raged. The death of this woman is horrible and solves nothing, but it must be pointed out that Islam is a 7th century "religion" trying to dominate the globe and drag the 21st century back into the past. All "religions" are the problem. Humanity has been committing atrocities upon itself in the name of "God" since we figured out how to stand on two legs.

Tell me how does a person stab someone 18x. Logically, if someone is stabbing me, I will resist. What the hell were the German polics doing. I don't think my Muslim sister was just taking it. And then when the husband is defending her – he is the one that gets shot !!

The media/enlightened Western democracies made a hue and cry about Neda. Yet a veiled Muslimah is probably regarded as sub-human and therefore no need to raise an outcry.

While the person is guilty, it is the Western culture that needs to examine itself as to why it has a latent hatred of Islam. Danish cartoons, Sarkozy/Jack Straw comments and now this example of Christofascism are nothing new – Dantes novels are about the prophet of Islam being dragged to hell, the popes of past (as well as current pope) have said degrading/blatantly wrong things about Islam and they are infallible (from Christian perspective)

As some earlier posts have said, Muslims need to change (I would agree but disposing of veil/beard is not one of them), the Western culture needs to look at itself. It is a 2-way street.

And as for being peaceful, the world knows who is fighting in other peoples lands, who is killing whom and in what numbers, who is prostelyzing after invading their land, and allowing occupation of Muslim lands. Lets not call the kettle black – look at yourself in mirror.

An awful death. But governments must temper immigration or migration to their cultures so as to give time to the new incomers to assimilate. Such conduct as the killing of a mother cannot be tolerated Politicians should learn that while discrimination should be avoided at all costs, one cannot impose on people whom to like or to associate with. It is matter of choice. It is best that you select immigrants who are more likely to assimilate to the new lands over others who are less likely to do so and do not flood the cities with excessive yearly immigration.

Forcing Europeans to give up control of their native lands, and then slandering/fining/jailing them as "racists" if they object, is "hate." What we had here was a native German who was sick of having to watch his people slowly lose their country.

If rational control of borders becomes impossible, then these kinds of violent outbursts will become inevitable.

Also, how can you be convicted of "verbally assaulting" someone? If they feel offended, then it constitutes assault? That's insane.

Vanessa: By 'assimilate' are you suggesting any muslim coming to Europe must disown their religion?
I'm sorry, but I was unaware that articles 3 and 4 of the German constitution were thrown out.
I suppose by your logic all Christians should not wear any crosses and no Jews should display the Star of David anywhere on their person.

Or perhaps you feel a particular disdain for Muslims and feel that their religion should be the only one disallowed.

By all accounts, Marwa and her husband were contributing members of society. Marwa was a pharmacist and her husband is a genetic engineer.

Please, do enlighten me on how they were un-assimilated people who were taking advantage of Germany's social services.

Oh Ray, Rich and Angela......I am so sad for you and those around you!

Violence is abhorant....period, no matter who it's perpetrated against! Yes, some who are Muslim (and are extremists) commit horrible crimes against those who are from other faiths. As well, some who are Christian have and continue to do the same. The claim that this violence within the Muslim world is systematic.....yes, maybe with extremists, but it's not the sentiment of the VAST majority of those from that faith..........just as one cannot claim this about Christianity, though Christians have a long history (remember the Crusades, and what about white supremecists today (who do their deeds in the name of Christ and our God)?) of violence and assimilation persecuted against others. We need to stop pointing fingers and blaming others. This is one world.....one human race, and violence is horrible. Everyone has the right to live their lives in peace, practicing whichever religion they want, loving whom they want, etc.

Carol....right on sister. I don't know why people don't get up in arms over every/any human life that is lost or any/every act of violence. However, just because some do over certain acts does not mean that each act of violence is diminished. I've got to say that in my 42 years of existance, I have yet to hear any outrage or outcries in the non-Muslim world when someone of the Muslim faith is slain or has an act of violence committed against them. That is why there can be such fury within the Muslim world, as the western world is viewed as indifferent to them.

Please, please.......let's all show a little compassion for one another, understand all of our collective histories, and work towards a common goal of peace! If we stop trying we are all damned!

I am originally from the New York and New Jersey area. As a child I saw many nuns with their heads covered. There were orthodox Jews wearing yarmulkes, Catholics with ashes on their foreheads for Ash Tuesday, palm branches formed into crosses for Palm Sunday, etc. I'm not saying that we all got along, that would be a pipe dream, but there
were not the allegation of terrorist or anything similar against these Americans. We've forgotten too much in our society. That goes for other countries as well. This murder is a tragedy and an evil act. Stop accepting this type of violence and using excuses such as bringing up
other unrelated ones. This only encourages more hatred and similar acts everywhere.

i honestly feel sorry for that poor women who have been stubbed to death in front of her three year old son and husband.may allah rest her soul in peace. for those here(ray jackson and angela) who justify the murder of this innocent human being i hope they realize how wrong they are after all this female didn't do any thing to deserve this.and for muslims remember when you become week , disunited and your fellow muslims conquered in their home countries what do you expect to happen far away in the middle of Germany.i am not surprised by this at all.the rules of the game has changed forget about the human rights rhetoric that doesn't work any more

It is, indeed, a horrible shame that religion has resulted in the death of another. Someone should do away with this vile, dangerous institution once and for all.

Geeeeeee! Thank god today is Friday....have a nice weekend everybody!

To Ray From Mississippi:
Not all Muslims are extremists. How can you be a human being and say something like this? How has this poor woman deserved this, and what about her son and husband? Its people like you that fuel terror by speaking before thinking. I am sorry for the state of Mississippi to have a resident such as yourself.

This was a horrible murder. But I don't think he stabbed her because of her headscarf. He stabbed her because he's nuts. And because of what the head scarf represented to him and to many westerners. If you're going to wear a symbol on your head, you should be sure that symbol says what you intend to say to those around you. To me, the headscarf represents tyranny, oppression and shame. The sight of it fills me with pity and disgust. Apparently, it filled this guy with rage.

We are all citizen of this planet, (human or intelligent I don't know anymore ). We should be able to respect each other.

COEXIST

Reading a lot of these posts makes me shudder, its really hard to believe what goes through some peoples minds, I am ashamed for them. Why make more of than what it is, a young pregnant woman killed and her husband seriously injured while in a courtroom asking for justice for the hate crimes they have experience. I don't care what you think, this is a human being that has not done you any harm.

The world should mourn this woman's death and pray for the well-being of her husband and three year old son, regardless of her ethnic heritage or religious practices. Human suffering knows no creed or color.

To Ray- I think sometimes we forget that many of the Americans who perished in the towers on 9/11 were, in fact, Muslim-Americans. They were as innocent as their non-muslim counterparts, and didn't deserve to die any more or less because of how they connect with God.

And there were MANY outcries from the Muslim world when New York was attacked, as well as when bombers attacked London. I remember quite vividly on 9/11 hearing a friend of mine, who happens to be Muslim and wear the Hajib, say the words, "I'm scared. It feels like they are coming to get us." THEY being the extremists who have hijacked her religion and made many in the west believe that the face of terror is the face of Islam. It's not. Unfortunately, we don't pay as much attention to the throngs of people who quietly and peacefully go about their day to day lives, not wishing harm upon anyone. It's much easier to hear the few hate filled voices above that more peaceful crowd. But you can't judge the many by the actions of the few. If you could, then every white person would be a member of the Ku Klux Klan. We don't let domestic terrorists like Timothy McVeigh or Ted Kaczinsky become the standard for how all white people are viewed; nor should we allow the actions of a handful of muslim extremists to overpower the image of millions of good people.

I feel less of a human being just knowing i live in the same country as ray and you other racists idiots. I only wish I will run into someone like ray or wills or any one of you bigots on the street.

racism = extremism

This innocent woman was murdered, and the murderer should be punished.

That said, there is no question that the Muslims diplay group outrage when one of their own is killed by an infidel, but no outrage when one or their own kills an infidel.

Let's face it–they behead us for not being Musims on a regular basis, and nobody in the Muslim world demonstrates over that. Furthermore, they kill each other regularly with car bombs, etc., and there are no demonstrations over that either.

To Mark:
So there is no such thing as personal responsibility? The kid who ends up in prison is innocent? Those in Guantanamo are innocent? and those (I'll say the word) TERRORISTS who cut the heads off of innocent people (Danny Pearl) are innocent? and we're the ones to blame? Sorry, but your logic is bass ackwards.

All this talk and no one asks the question: why was this man so disturbed that he flew into a rage and stabbed the woman 18 times? Why?

Everyone has a solution to a problem, but not one person wishes to understand it. You can only fix that which you can understand.

I FIND IT APPALLING that a lady got murdered for emulating the MOTHER of Jesus by wearing a veil on her head!!!! How someone could call her a terrorist when she was just following in the footsteps of the mother of Christ is absolutely disgusting!

While it is sad that an innocent life was lost, I am sickened that everytime one little thing happens to a Muslim they weep and cry and carry on for weeks or longer, yet they celebrated when 9-11 happened. It lessens my empathy for the nation of Egypt, but n ot for the woman who died.

Muslim woman are constantly killed by Muslim men in Muslim countries for daring to do things like leave the house without a male relative. I don't hear the Muslim world screaming about those horrific crimes that go on daily. Give me a break. Try reading "Souad"...the biographical accound of a Muslim woman whose parents had someone set her on fire (intending to kill her) because she became pregnant before marriage. I feel very badly for this woman and her family, but I don't need to hear outcry from Muslims about it. I'm still waiting for an acceptable apology from the Turks for the Armenian slaughter back in the early 1900's.

Ray, you are sick. A pregnant woman was stabbed to death in a courtroom. She did not "get what was coming to her." Abusive commentary should be deleted from the 360 blog in my opinion.

I have two points to make on this story.
First, this was a horrible and disgusting event. The fact that a woman was stabbed while pregnant in front of her family and her husband in critical condition. What about the child's life? Truly sad.

My second point is that it is truly unfair for Muslims to blame the western world and act as victims. I am from India and even in there Muslims act a victims there. They want a democratic republic's law and constitution to conform to their religion. They had a choice in 1947 to move to Pakistan (a nation created for them, much like Israel for Jews). However, they chose to remain, which is their free will. However, there are so many events where Muslims in India want to create a quasi state where their values supersede the Indian Republic while consuming and utilizing India's resources.
Furthermore, if anyone understands history, they can compare contemporary Islam to Catholicism during the middle ages. The difference being that Christianity evolved through the age of renaissance, democratic institutions and Christians who were introspective in regards to their faith. Today the Islamic world and religion (almost as old as Christianity) is controlled by Mullah's who still believe that the crusades are perpetual. They control the masses through religion and the people do not question them at all .
In all fairness there are many moderate Muslims in the world, however, the problem is that even for them their religion dominates every aspect of life. Unless the Islamic world finds a way to allow a democratic society it will be in a constant struggle with itself and the rest of the world.

When the Pope made a clear but misunderstood statement about Islam, a muslim nut stabbed a nun to death. Nobody but NOBODY in the Middle East took to the streets over that. I am very sorry this young woman died in such a stupid cowardly way for no reason but so did that nun. The Middle East is very stuck on this nobody loves us kick and they can damn well get over it. The problem is not in our Heavens, it is in ourselves.

Its a sad thing but,didnt see any of them cryin for the TWC people

(1) All crime is hate crime, there is no sub-class of crimes.. call it what it is.. murder.. for whatever reason... deranged, mad, a lunatic.. crime is crime... dont give it a seperate label.

(2) Uncontrolled immigration is also morally wrong. Where are the rights of Germans and others in Europe who see their countries ran over but unlimited immigration from Middle East, India, Asia.

Germany is for the Germans, just as France is for the French.. I do not know where it became acceptable to allow massive immigration and then pass laws to protect the immigrants but not the natives. Limit immigration to less than 0.5 % per year and crimes like this will not happen because people like Alex will not feel helpless in their own country.

And before you comment, I am from the Mid East and I see the damage to culture and society that mass immagration causes.. I came to the west to be amongst westreners, not other immigrants.. put limits on immuigration just as the US had on the books back in 50s.

A human being died. Her unborn child died. Another child had to witness his mother being murdered before his eyes while his father may also die because he was defending her. Regardless of what religion and who is angry about it this is still an outrage. An eye for an eye will only beget more murder and bloodshed. And pretty soon there won't be any adults left and the children will be killing each other because we all just hate. Maybe humans, such as they are, don't deserve to inhabit the planet. Extinction, folks, is in our own hands. We will just kill ourselves off till absolutely no one is left.

I don't care what anyone else says. I'd find this outrage for the loss of life a little more believable if the same outrage was expressed when 3000+ innocents were killed on 9/11. Instead, I saw news coverage of Palestinians cheering in the street and passing out candy in celebration. I would also point out the lack of mass outrage over the dozens killed in car bombings week in and week out all over the middle east.

If you make murder a part of your religion, you shouldn't be too surprised when it comes back to bite you on the hiney. Like it or don't, Islam IS PART MURDER.

What a sad thing to read about in the news. I will pray for her husband and 3 year old child as they will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. Funny how only 2 other people asked, how did this guy get a knive? In a court of law? Where is the resposnse to that?

The defendant brought weapon and killed witness in court ? Where were everyone else, police ? And the police shot the wrong person ?What kind of court is that ??? Dresden is not a little small town. That is the question came up to my mind.
Regarding of the racists posts in this forum, sadly to say this is the world we are living in. It would never end, from ancient history to the 21st century.

Anyone person who believe they have the right to take a life. Forfeits their own.

My Simple Philosophy.

Oh you silly religious people! When will you learn?

Angela...Who says muslims want your respect? Muslims give a damn what you think of muslims. Muslims could not care less what you wear or not wear. Outrage only comes from victim's own kind whether it is rape, murder, incest. or torture, like you showed your's on 9/11. Muslims do not even try to explain their outrage to others. They only wait for their time to come.

I think "does it really matter" is calling it correctly, however,
individuals deeply dipped in religious, cultural and social beliefs
beginning at birth are blind to it. Religion is the cause of more human suffering than it is resolution for the human spirit.

R.I.P Marwa.

For anyone to post such a comment as Ray did, it shows how un-human we became.

Marwa deserves from us to sit back and think of all the ongoing hate and death. Do we want to continue this just because it "has been happening”?

Let’s not turn this into discussion of ray's idiotic comments and focus on paying our respect to a mother and an unborn child who lost their lives in a horrible way.

Oh you small minded people. All of you. It is so much greater than all of this..................

I heard someplace that "Those of us who do not learn from our past (history) are doomed to repeat it."

Her murder breaks my heart. The reaction breaks my heart. The fallout that is shown here on this blog...............breaks my heart.

However, it all seems so typical of the "human" animal.

We are all from the One and go back to the One. We journey to different places in different guises. I have heard that God created so many beings because God wanted to learn about his/her Self.

Any person that is brutally murdered is a loss to the Whole. And the murderer is also a loss to the Whole, a negative action that a person faces after death.

Religions are glimpses of the One, the entire picture of ourselves. We mourn for all suffering humanity. Can you hear their sound? It is like a wailing and sorrowful call, ceaseless and ever present. Can we pour enough love out to drown it?

Why the veil?. Was it a sign of oppression?, a sign of religious freedom?, Or just to look different. It looks to me a political stand than anything else. Obviously he had no right to stab her, but also she had no business to wear the veil in Germany. She was called a terrorist, maybe it is because of the veil, not for her accent. People that comes from the middle east should know better that wearing their customary dress might get them in trouble maybe not from the government but from a piece of sh.... like that man. One last observation. Why only women wear that traditional dress, but I haven't seen it on men, which do have a traditional dress, or whatever they call it?.

This is really terrible, The mainstream media needs to bring out this story in open as we did for stories from Iran, No civilized society should tolerate such crimes against people following their religion.
Off late Europe is becoming the hotbed of islamophobia, Recently French president calls for ban on Islamic veil, How can a president of first world country dictate its citizens what is right or wrong to wear..

Jin

assimilate ...what a word to use in the death of a pregnant woman,who was killed in front of her child and husband.

This is to the comment about "bending a knee to Muhammed (PBUH)". Where does it say that? Muslims don't worship Muhammed (PBUH), only God. Also remember that Christianity was spread by "the sword" as well.

This is about a woman who was murdered in front of her husband and child. What do you think that child will think of Germans? Nice, friendly people? Or murders of his mother? With this one act that man made sure that another generation of children will hate the west. He will stand before God and explain his actions in due time. Do you think God will approve?

Okay jigalong,
i'm a teenager, i have a friend who is muslim, i know a girl who wears a hijab. It is part of their culture, it's just like saying if you lived the the chuck taylor high tops era when that was a part of our american culture "I think high tops are just ridiculous they should be outlawed"
saying a part of a culture should be banned, destroys the culture like "it's stupid for catholic priests to wear the little caps on their head" you don't know what it symbolizes and neither do I (btw i am catholic so don't call me a pagan moron)
bottom line is: you can't ban culture, the taliban already tried that, as did the nazi's, see how well that works?

This event cleary shows the growing amount of Anti-Islamic sentiment spreading across the western hemisphere, and other non islamic nations . Anderson i'm sure any well minded person will admit that clearly this is wrong, but what needs to be relized is that European cities and being plunge into Anti-Christian, and Anti-Western protests by a more provactive and violent Islamic/Arab population growing in European and North American cities.

Another murder because of religion.

It is sad to note, people think with their own prospective. become violent when happens to family or people close to their thinking. but views differently, when happens on the other side. Crime is crime is crime. No matter who so ever does is wrong and must meet justice.

Wheather the crime is done at individual level, or state level will face justice some day. Creator does not let innocent cries go in vain. It is just matter of time time. If mankind does not care for justice, Lord of Lords does. if mankind fails to bring justice, Lord of lords does bring justice. Lords justice certaily prevails. keeping this in view, it is always better to punish individuals rather than whole nations getting punished because individual was not punished.

Many issues that civilisation faces today is due to injustices done to individuals, and rule of the law in that part failed to implement justice. Simple solution of issues facing today is to implement justice irrespective to race, religion, caste color etc. etc. Let us join hand to punish individuals to avoid collective punishment of Lord of the Lords, who is the creator of whole universe.

I believe this guy should get prosecuted to the limit of German law... as one person said, it happened in a courtroom full of witnesses, so there shouldn't be too much doubt as to his guilt in the matter. Plus whatever extra penalty Germany may have for hate crime, on top of that... but no special treatment for Muslims or any other ethnic group.
Granted, it is an especially brutal and audacious crime – certainly for her courageous husband and young son. The point here is her death was inexcusable – the tragic result of combining a violent, racist repeat-offender with a legal system that is indifferent,
and woefully unprepared for him.

JESUS said, "Whoever looks upon a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart."

Now readrers might say what does this saying of Jesus have anything to do with any of this...

Muslim Woman in Veil & head covering actually benefit every man from commiting this big sin which Jesus is talking about. Their dress covers whatever might arouse instincts. Veil & head covering is Modesty. Most people are unaware, However that the concept of Hijab is rooted in Judeo-Christian Philosophy. The three Abrahamic religions share many belieifs, one of which includes Hijab.
It is well known that for hundreds of years Catholic Nuns have worn Habits, a dress much like the Islamic Hijab.
Than how come Muslim woman is always being targetted and how is this ridiculous and why should it be banned?

How on earth are some people so cold in their heart that they have no feelings for any innocent human life?

Have You Hated anyone? If so, then the Bible says you are a murderer.....

This was very sad...To God we belong, and to God we return. May God give Marwa and her unborn child a place in heaven. Ameen

Terrible crime and a reaction that will no doubt lead to more terrible crime. It's scarier when it seems like a whole nation is working themselves into a selfrighteous rage. No one's innocent, revenge just covers everyone in blood.
Jesus said love your ememies, forgive those who mistreat you. This is the only way to overcome the evil that is in the hearts of people of all races.

Nora,
The only way 3000 'muslims' died on 9/11 is if everybody in the WTC complex converted to Islam a few seconds before the planes hit; in the hopes that the hijackers would view their conversion sympathetically and divert the planes from their lethal trajectory

Its definitely possible...

hey mohammad, let the crusades begin!! armaggedon is the only thing that can stop muslims. like the bible says it will take years to bury the corpses and weapons! Yes!

This is a truly heinous crime, but it appears to be the act of one demented individual, unlike the following incidents:

1997

* Sept. 18 - Gunmen suspected to be Moslem militants killed six German tourists & three other people outside the Egyptian Museum in Tahrir Square. Nine people were wounded.

* November '97 - Moslem terrorists armed with automatic weapons ambushed, shot & killed 62 tourists at Luxor.

Caral – no such verse in the Koran says so. Please verify your facts before you create non-existent verses. Muslims do not kneel to Mohammed, but to God, as he is not part of God, but his Prophet.

It is tragic what happened to this woman. However, the frustration felt by Europeans is evident as these people refuse to assimilate into the culture of the country in which they chose to live.

How do Americans feel when the illegal, non-tax-paying and undocumented aliens who do not speak English are draining the social/welfare/healthcare systems and burdening the legal resources who are usually afraid to prosecute (or even try – ACLU)? Obama should focus on 'stimulating' action rather than political correctness.

Sadly, human beings are capable of terrible atrocities, regardless of race, religion or gender. But thankfully human beings are also capable of incredible acts of kindness, bravery, love and acceptance. Some who have written here have forgotten, or simply do not know, that all human beings are fundamentally the same. So before sharing hateful, destructive thoughts, pause a moment...... and let us treat and speak of others as we wish to be treated.

oh and btw seriously wills when did religous freedom, and the right to choose what you want to wear become a means for stirring up trouble. you cant stab people who wear veils or yarmulkas or crosses 18 times just because of their religous attire. some people are absurd although im glad to see that the majority of people who have commented seem to show intellect and sanity.

Okay, think of this with ethnicity and religion aside. Someone was murdered. A woman was murdered in cold blood, in front of a courtroom full of witnesses. Is this crime any less brutal or not worth attention simply because of religion? How can people be so blind, it's sickening.

We humans will never learn. How very sad ...

@Ray and other bigots
-Your words dishearten me greatly. You are neither rational or humane in your assessment. A lady was murdered in cold blood in a court room. There is no way to spin this to make it her fault.

@All who blame Ray's dysfunction on his location
- You are of the same ilk as Ray. But I'm just a Southerner, what do i know?

It's very sad to see the "open-minded" resort to the same low tactics of the "close-minded".

At least in Germany they rightfully outlawed hate speech, naziism, and racism. Here in the US the KKK, neonazis, white supremacists parade freely every day! Cook it however you want, out of all Western democracies the US has by far the most hate crimes!

And who are we to judge? Every week a black or hispanic person (including children) is beaten or shot to death by white supremacists here in the US. Why doesn't CNN ever cover that?

In my opinion this seems like a incident of a bigger problem a clash between the western world and the muslim world. I am not in agreement or on the side of the killers. But there is something to be said for the conflict where you have people who treat woman like second class citizens moving to countries where woman have equal rights. They cannot treat the citizens of that country as they would in there own country.

Ray, you really know how to get a lot of responses.

Islam has a PR problem.

When a Muslim does something terrible, most Muslims do nothing and a small number of Muslims dance on rooftops and fill the streets with parties and parades. IT WAS ON CNN!! This says "We ALL hate westerners but most of us don't have the time to go dancing" I swear to God that's what I got from it.

No Muslim condems the terrorist but they say they feel bad it happened and say that they are not extremist like the one who did it. That tells us "we don't condemn because we would do the same if called on by allah to do his will and kill westerners. It's in the book after all. But we'll give you some platitudes. How's that?"

We hear that most Muslims are moderate and peace loving and don't read the Koran the same way as those awful terrorists. Still, we're concerned that the Koran calls for our heads to be severed. A small percentage of radical Muslims still amounts to THOUSANDS in the USA. It's uncomfortable.

Lawyer girl Leann. Talk about freedom of expression for bloods and crips. Maybe we can do some legislation that restricts gang attire nationwide so religious crap can't be worn. Assimilation would go a long way toward improving relations and making everybody understand each other better.

As to the woman, her children, her husband, I'm so sorry for you. It's not just a tragedy. It's a travesty. That man who did that should be treated like a Muslim girl who makes her father mad. And the judge and every officer of the court who did not intervene should be fired.
I know Leann is looking to take the Dad's case to court!.

Sympathy will come when non-Muslim religions are tolerated in Muslim lands. Intolerance works both ways, now doesn't it? If you want to make the world a different place take a look in the mirror and make the change.

There were many outcries from the Muslim world when 9/11 occurred Ray-Jackson. We always pay close attention to the suffering of innocents by terrorists. We Muslims know that terrorists are criminals and they ought to be punished wherever they are. Killing some one in a court room in front of the law is a different story though. Europe is a horrible place where the rights of innocent people are raped and buried daily. I always knew that there are millions of racists in England and Holland but come on and now Germany. I thought Germany moved beyond things like this after what they did to the Jews. Germany caused themselves a huge shame upon their country by letting this happen in their country. Germany should punish that criminal to the extent of his crime and apologize to the Muslim world.

Everyone is turning this around to be one more time a muslim vs . western war or vendetta.
What i get out of this story is a 31 year old mother of a 3 year old boy who is expecting her second child got stabbed and killed in a court room in front of her little one and husband. It doesnt matter if she is Jewish, christan, muslim, budist... she is a person, mother, daughter...
What is wrong with the world? why are we identifying her as the Hijab lady? true that instigated an extreme person to act out, however why dont we look at the real crime. The killer is a man who is capable of stabbing another human 18 times... just make an example out of him, disregarding why he did it for anyone who even thinks about comitting such a crime.

salam alikm ,this is our salut and it means peace be on you,this is how we start our conversations and this is how we ended,i agree that we have few bad muslims who give a very bad picture for all muslims but everyone have to understand that through the human history in every group,in every relegion in every country you will always find some bad people cause we dont live in a perfect world and just to have your name mohamed doesnt mean you arfe a true muslim,remember the middle centries and hundreds of thousands of people were killed in the name of christ, and hitler germany killed millions of people around the world wearing the cross around his nick,how immigrants who came to america killed thousands of indians and black people,how israel has been occuping palestinain land for over 60 years,putting more than 750000.00 in prisons a nd many of them are women and children,iraq,vietnam and many other genocids took place around the world over history wasnot commited by muslims so please everyone just read the history islam has been around for almost 1500 years and only in the last 8 years people start attacking islam,we all has to agree that at the end we are all human being and color,sex,relegion,background shouldnt be the base to judge each other,the only thing i know that there is a good man and there is a bad man and remember adam and his sons and his son killed his brother over a woman i dont think he was muslim and his brother was christian,at the end peace be with us 1 world under GOD.

It is very sad that people have forgotten how"To live and let live". Let us all pray to live in peace and harmony, the way God intended it to be. May God have mercy on this man's soul who so foolishly ended two young lives. Just a thought what in heavens was the police doing when he attacked her? Could they have not saved her? It is only July and the October Fest is still months away ! So what does this tell you. My heart goes out to the brave lady .And what of her son. Will we all learn a lesson from this? I do sincerely hope so!

What is our world comming to? Its sad to see how evil the Human Race is regardless of Color, Creed or Race. What kind of message are we sending to our children? Who no doubt are the future! When will the hatred of being different stop and what will it take to stop it as we now progress in the 21st/22nd Century. Aren't we as the dominant species supposed to be better than this? We are not animals! It seems that we have not learned from our past history. This killing of an innocent pregnant woman was an outrage no matter what country you live in.

My prayers go out to Marwa's 3 year old son and her husband. God bless you both!

Some of these comments are outrageous. I cannot believe that anyone would justify this poor woman's death due to the past atrocities committed by extremist muslims. This woman chose to wear her covering because it is her right as a citizen of the world! No one has a right to judge anyone because of this. Nuns cover their hair and I dont see anyone getting up in all arms about that.

Ray, I am sure you are just loving all this attention from your seemingly uneducated claims on your blog but here is a little news flash for you. The muslim world held vigils and ceremonies during 9/11, one was held in Iran. Many muslims were killed during 9/11 as well. But I am sure you would not know this because you apparently were too busy to flip on CNN and actually watch the news!

And Jigalong, you say that Germans and France should not allow Muslim people in their country because they are trouble. You seem to be in the same boat as Ray over in MS because you seem to not remember the massacre of Jews that the Germans committed in a little thing called WWII and you should really read about France and colonialism. You think that Europe and America are so innocent but the crimes committed in our history are just as hard to stomach as the crimes committed by extremist muslims.

This was a human life people!

richard h. levenson

I think you are missing the point Richard ok. A woman was killed in a court room in front of the law ok. Germany has failed by letting this to happen. It is a shame both for the German government and people. And if you are trying to excuse Germany for letting this to happen then you are a racist of the worst kind. Besides, no body gets killed in a court room in front of the law in the Muslim world.

Hey Vanessa,
How would you like it if the Native Americans all of a sudden told you to get off their land and go back home to your country?

Caral – you have no right to miss quote the Quran ( BTW it is Quran , not Koran). if you ever want to quote make sure you give the reference ( chapter & verse) so that pple reading the comments can go look for themselves what lies you have written here.
Similarly i can quote you many verses from the bible that call for violence , incest & bigotry and many other versus that are soo shameful that you cannot read in front of your children.
Now, remember miss quoting the Quran or stating things that are not there is a grave sin for you lying about God.

So much fail in these comments. This guy was clearly a psychopath. If the woman had been a christian, you wouldn't see people marching in the streets. And I don't remember the Jews participating in suicide bombing campaigns against innocent civilians pre-WWII.

They need to hijack the BBC or some other channel with global saturation for a year or two and just have some well spoken guy explain religion in it's entirety, including where they all stemmed from, how much cross=breeding there was, how OLD some of the concepts are, how each of the major religions directly contributed to horrible atrocities, the stunning ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence, etc. I'd say a two week course. 8 hours a day, three times a day, M-F, on rotation I think after a few years of this, we may be able to get beyond it, if countries didn't just ban the BBC outright.

Then, maybe, we can start getting somewhere as a species without the selfish, irresponsible tendency to raise children to think they need to be part of a religious organization.

I am a westerner living in Saudi. I can tell you there is rarely any sympathy for anyone but fellow Muslims in this society. The adherence to the belief that Muslims are better than everyone else and the only ones who matter is akin to fascism. Of course this is never fully reported because Mr. Anderson Cooper can't get into Saudi to do a full report on the suffering of the others in Saudi like the Filipinos and Hindus who are virtual slaves to a society which focuses all its energy not on work but on prayer. So instead the news media of the West just dissects Western society over and over again. Grow some courage, Mr. Cooper.

Please brou. When 9/11 happened there was an outcry. It wasn't Muslims that pulled 9/11, it was simply evil people. People don't even know that there was a mosque inside the world trade center and that there were Muslims that died in there too. No one learns anything.

Any unjust killing is wrong. It is not just when a Muslim dies.

All the people on here who commented with such replies as e.g. "What about when this person dies, why don't you say something about that?" and "Crying like a bunch of babies." People should be aware of people like you. Are you that cold blooded? Your attitude shows no difference to Hitler's attitude or KKK attitude. The attitude of "Hey, our people are dying and suffering, why should we care about you?!"

Make me sick to the heart. Look yourself in the mirror and see the animal looking back at you. Sickness in the heart.

This is a horrible crime. You can not spin it any other way. The loss of a human life to an ignorant piece of garbage is appaling.

We may argue that the media is biased and covers little of the atrocities that Muslims commit on thier own women. Please search Saudi king pardons rape victim.

We may argue the point of the 'moderate' muslim lack of outrage for atrocities by the Janjaweed in Darfur and other supposed minority Muslims in Indonisia, Egypt etc. etc. etc. Yet their ability to get all riled up about one murder and a couple of newspaper comics. Go figure.

However what we can NOT argue is that this woman was a victim. Unless there was a law passed, she had every right to wear what she wanted to. To practice what ever religion she wanted to. She was a peacfull citizen who was killed by a monster, whom I hope gets every ounce of justice the law allows.

If you are going to argue, argue the right topics, not that a woman and her child deserved to die simpley because of thier race or religion. Grow up and see that attitude for what it really is; no better than those you are crying about.

I think we need to put labels aside and the WORLD need to stop hate crimes of ANY nature. What happened to this woman and her family was horrible..and there are thousands of horrible things happening every day to thousands of different peoples, races, cultures, religions. It's wrong for this to happen to anybody in this world!

Come on, people! We are all human beings on this fast declining world...we need to learn to accept that we are all brothers and sisters and treat each other as such. Maybe then we will have a real chance of survival!

Lots of comments are filled with hatred against muslims by ignorrant and arrogant people. What a shame? I wish these so called christians before spreading hatred by their words read the true teachings of Jesus. May God belss us all!

Wes, Atlanta

It isn't Religion that's the problem here, it's the people who exploit it and use it to fulfill their own selfish desires. Whether it's God, Allah, Buddha, or whatever else a person refers to as his or her ultimate concern, one has to remember that the supernatural non-being does not exist and especially feel in the same way that we do. God does not want anything ... people want, people hate, and people kill in the name of their own perverse nature. I'm tired of people using Religion as an excuse for their own corruption.

OttoBeez is right. The bottom-line here is that a woman out for justice and her innocent unborn child were killed. My thoughts and prayers go out to her husband and the rest of her family. A hate crime, whether it is directed towards blacks, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, etc., is still a hate crime and should be treated as one. I don't believe the world should condemn the entire nation of Germany for the actions of one hateful person. It is our job to stand up and bring justice to those racist individuals, such as the neo-nazis and skinheads that have set up camp and many countries throughout the world, who act in this way on a regular basis.

In the words of Thich Nhat Hanh, "[Jesus] is the door for us to enter the Kingdom of God. The Buddha is also described as a door, a teacher who shows us the way in this life ... But it is said that there are 84,000 Dharma doors, doors of teaching. If you are lucky enough to find a door, it would not be very Buddhist to say that yours is the only door. In fact, we have to open even more doors for future generations. We should not be afraid of more Dharma doors-if anything, we should be afraid that no more will be opened."

How shame on the media? It took them 10days to report this news. They only reported now because this case has gathered much attention via email and social networking. And media was getting blame to ignore this news. They have time to report Iran's election for 2 straight weeks day and night but for this one, they all were quite.

When you take out the factor of religion out, it's still such a cold blooded murder. No pregnant woman or any person should ever die like that. This is a sad day for everyone around the world.

The death of even one person diminishes us all – there is no place for hatred or murder, nor should there ever be. Having said that i will relate that I was not born here – this is my adopted country. I proudly became a citizen and served honorably in our armed forces. As my new home embraced me, so I embraced its values, traditions and way of life. I expect all other immigrants to do the same. In America most people denounce religious extremists and fascist politicians. In certain parts of the world those are the type of people who run their nations – and often do so to wide public acclaim! America and the west need to stop apologizing to the rest of the world for crimes which, though inexcusable, are committed far more often in those same, complaining, nations.

Is it just me, or is everyone not seeing the big picture. Religion is the greater evil here and not the muslim religion alone.

Religion is not the biggest factor. MONEY is. There has not been a war that was initiated that money is not the factor. Even the crusades. Read the accounts of the group when it states we recovered much land and booty today. It is money religion is used against us the are perpetrating this crime! No doubt camel through a needle eye!

When Muslims piloted planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, Muslims were shown on television proudly cheering. Where was the outrage in the Muslim world for the murders of the innocent victims on the hijacked aircraft and in the WTC and Pentagon? Was that not a hate crime, as well?

I have been subject to the hatred of Muslims against any and all Americans in Brooklyn, where Masjid Al Farooq is located. One day, I held the door at a subway station for a man in Muslim garb (he was indeed a Muslim, as he went straight in the Masjid Al Farooq school). I was greeted by a hateful stare, rather than a thank you for being courteous.

This is by far not the only incident of Muslim hatred I have encountered. In short, the Muslims who attend the Masjid Al Farooq were rude, and had looks of hatred in their eyes whenever I passed that place.

Religion is evil. People who believe in deities are no more intelligent or enlightened than people who believe in Santa Claus or the tooth faerie. There is absolutely no proof of the existence of ANY deity. The fools who believe in this nonsense say, "you cannot disprove the existence of god". I don't have to disprove it, just like I don't have to disprove the existence of Santa Claus or the tooth faerie: THEY DO NOT EXIST, and any sane person knows this. People use their religion to justify their hatred, or to prove to themselves that they are somehow superior to non-believers. It's just another excuse for inferior people to impose their will upon others.

If you want to believe in things that do not exist, fine, but do not try to impose your idiocy upon others.

Ray, you should be ashamed of yourself, how will you feel if someone pray that such a sad story happened to you, irrespective of our religion or color, we are all created by one Almighty creator and every soul is sacrilege. For your information, extremist is human disposition and not religion.

Huh.

No mention in the article or ANY of the comments that the murderer was Russian, not German?

*sigh* people are so ready to blame an entire demographic on the actions of a few. I don't blame them, its second nature to us to blame *someone* for our problems. Everything has two sides, and both sides have pros and cons. For example, a response to "Doesit Really matter." Yes religion has always caused problems in History and caused many deaths, but, its also saved many individuals as well, its given birth to great thinking, civilization, and culture. Religion can heal as well as hurt.
A way for this all to stop is if we stop caring about other peoples view points and beliefs and personally agree that some one else argument is just as valid as yours. Its all wishful thinking though, after all, humanity is nothing but narcissistic apes. Seriously, think about it...

"Ray – Jackson, MS July 10th, 2009 6:32 pm ET

Weren’t some Germans just killed by muslim terrorrist in Yemen and there was not out cry from the muslim world now was there? If they weren’t German they were from another European country. There was no out cry from the Muslim world on 9/11. There was no out cry from the Muslim worl when London was attacked. Don’t expect non-Muslims to bust out crying over this woman. Muslims are getting what they put out in the universe on this one."

Ray, you bloody Troll...

If that woman and child were jewish or american, we'd have a whole new war going on.

People should remember that cultural diversity is everywhere. If muslims should stay in there own countries, then what about the italians who once represented all things Mafia? What about germans who once represented all things anti-semItic? When exactly do people come out from the automatic judging machine? Mob mentality is bad no matter what flavor it comes in. As long as the population amount continues to rise and resources continue to be depleted, the world will continue to get more violent until enough people are wiped out to balance out the supply/demand for life to exist without so much violence.

Islam is the religion of Satan and Muslims are evil.

'Hate crime'......as opposed to 'love crime'.......?

Clearly this psycho guy had a screw loose. There are bigots belonging to every ethnicity, religion, and nationality..... it is not as if all Germans are islamophobic murderers. It is really tragic, and you just feel terrible for the woman and her family.

What do you want the German Government to do? Hang him in a street ceremony a-la-Tehran-Justice???

I feel no need for the German government to apologize the Muslim world gets so offended when one of their own is killed but where is their apology for the bombings in London, attachs on US such as the warship in Yemen or 9/11 these people act like they have some special right that they neither have nor deserve

"there is nothing in Islam that calls for violence and murder, check by yourself."

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Islam is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of submission and hatred, and any who do not believe in Islam are to be ruled by those who do. This is what the Q'uran teaches. The Q'uran also teaches that women are inferior, and that those who do not believe in Islam are also inferior (infidels).

Vanessa - her husband was a scholar with a full scholarship and she was a pharmacist, so she and her family were not "sucking" any system dry..your ignorance is outstanding and I abhor that you sucked a few minutes out of my time!

as for everyone else, one of the biggest issue wtih Marwa's death is that it was not publicized until the day of her funeral when the masses could not be denied....the crimes everyone else is talking about either were or weren't publicized and the outrage/reaction was as porportioned to the coverage....

for all those who say they don't see any outcry from the Muslim world over any kind of crime committed by Muslims, let me remind you of what the renowned doctor, Leo Bascaglia (sp?) has said "Lovers don't make the ten o'clock news." To show outrage on the Muslims' part is to actually show them as caring - can't have that when you need to see them as WMD-carrying/acts-of-terror-committing people. It would foil the whole plan, don't you see?

When we play the finger pointing game, we go around in circles, and all that would accomplish is everyone getting dizzy and knocking each other over - which is exactly what's going on right now...

May Marwa rest in peace - her and her unborn child - and may the soul fo Alex W and all those who commit as outrageous a crime as taking another's life without remourse be condemned forever and ever!

Where is the outcry from the Muslim world about 9/11 attacks or thousands being killed by their own in Iraq. Who believes this lie that it is a peace loving religion? The Koran specifically says that if a village is unbelieving they are to kill every infidel in that town!
As for Islam being the largest religion...uh no, Christianity still is. Islam may reach that designation one day, but not because of converts but because of propagation through reproduction. While Europeans are at zero population growth, Muslims are quadrupling their numbers the old fashioned way! As one Plestinian so proudly claimed, she did not mind her son dying for the cause because he was assured heaven and she had seven more!
Sympathy, yes because it is a human life and precious, but because she is Muslim? Spare me!

WTF?! Ray, from Mississippi, you are a shame to me as a Mississipian. Our tears for her brutal murder should have nothing to do with her religion. We should be outraged because it was related to her religion. She was not a terrorist. You say they can't expect tears because of blah blah blah they don't care about us. Well guess what? To not be just like the terrorist we have to be better than them. You my fellow Mississippian are not better. Hate monger.

Didn't someone wise say " an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" ?????

Doesitreallymatter, you definitely DO NOT see the big picture. People have been killing each other for many reasons, religion being just one of them.

List of non-religious mass murderers: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, genocide of native americans, hutus butchering of tutis', etc, etc.

The fact is that HUMANS are the real evil here. They kill each other for religious, economic, and political reasons. There is no ONE cause for brutality amongst humans–even though atheists want you to believe it is religion.

Mohammed,"the clash of civilization" begins when Muslims emigrate to other countries and instead of following the laws of these countries want to take over and declare Sharia. If "sisters want to wear their hijab, brothers want to marry more that one wife, they need to go back where they come from. Europe has become a total Muslim colony and the demands they are making in England, France and other countries are outrageous! Just like the "Infidels" cannot bring or practice their religion in your countries, Muslims should not be allowed to disregard the laws of the countries they emigrate to. There is not one Muslim country where ANY other religion is TOLERATED, NOT ONE! There are a lot more Christians killed in Muslim countries then the other way around. We also don't like all the threats lobbed from Muslims when things don't go their way ! What happened in Germany is horrible and should never have happened, no matter what nationality the woman was. The reason Germans are getting more intolerant is, because the government schools and trains Egyptians and other foreigners and pays all costs. They then get well paying jobs and that creates hatred. I know what I am talking about, my niece was married to an Egyptian in Germany. He now works for Siemens, works and travels allover the world, makes a six figure salary, works in the USA right now. Also Muslims do not integrate, they think the "Infidels" are filthy. I read the Quran and it definitely states in there "slay the Infidels and Jews where you may find them, do not be friends with them" Whenever something happens to a Muslim there is all this outrage from them. Where is the outrage when it is done to anyone else but Muslim's? Does their life not have any value?
I have not forgotten how Muslim's allover the world partied and celebrated after 09/11, gave each other gifts. Finally the press asked why no one from the Muslim community spoke up against this, it took a while! Pay attention people, the ones that scream the loudest are just as guilty of what they accuse you of, if not more so.

Everyone needs to quit blaming an entire nation for a few people's hatred!! This poor woman and her unborn baby were murdered in a court of law! Americans, Europeans, Chinese....who cares?! Hatred is hatred.

I am a proud American. I hate no person because of their religious, sexual or national staus. I want the world to know that MANY Americans are just like me. They want to live in peace. This statement will echo throughout the world.

Please bring justice to this family.

Why should we mourn the death of one more than another? Sadly enough its almost a certainty that another pregnant woman was murdered somewhere in the world for some stupid reason. Muslim, Christian or Jew who really cares? If you aren't going to mourn the deaths of everyone who dies everyday that isn't somehow connected to you(which if you did you'd be too busy mourning to live) then don't whine about this one. Is it horrid? Yes. Did the sun come up this morning? Yes. Is it going to tomorrow? Of course.

When a whole family was executed in Jemen a few weeks no one said anything and these people were there to help they were medical people-yes this is so terrible we cannot imagine it at all-but to call the whole German nation BAD that is so wrong-
I ask these Egyptians who are demonstrating who has always been yout helper who apart from the USA gives you your most help us the Germans who alows your children to study here us the bad Germans-
DO NOT JUDGE THE WORK OF ONE DEREANGED MAN AS THE WORK OF ALL GERMANS,

Forgive those who sinned and you will be blessed

why can't we just look at a person as a human, regardless of the person's race, religion, ethnicity, etc.
It's good to see that people feel for this woman and her family.
But people who are arguing about killings of jews, buddhists, germans in egypt and million other people of different back grounds, it is wrong, we all agree with you..but stop looking at them as a jew or a buddhist, look at it as a innocent human's life was taken away.
it doesn't matter if a jew dies or a muslim dies..an innocent life was taken ! feel for them !
today's world has completely lost the sense of humanity.

The murder of this woman is obviously wrong, and the courts should comdemn the murderer as he deserves. However, as an American who has lived in Muslim countries for several years, I can attest to the level of duplicity in these countries and it is is astounding. The hew and cry for the rights of "poor Muslims" when a Muslim is killed pales in comparison to the deafening silence when it's the other way around. You would not believe the filth that I have heard about Jews, Hindus and Christians from my students over there. And that doesn't come close to the praise I have heard for suicide bombers and others. I think it is time for the West to wake up.

why can’t we just look at a person as a human, regardless of the person’s race, religion, ethnicity, etc.
It’s good to see that people feel for this woman and her family.
But people who are arguing about killings of jews, buddhists, germans in egypt and million other people of different back grounds, it is wrong, we all agree with you..but stop looking at them as a jew or a buddhist, look at it as a innocent human’s life was taken away.
it doesn’t matter if a jew dies or a muslim dies..an innocent life was taken ! feel for them ! speak up for them !
today’s world has completely lost the sense of humanity.
lets stop playing the blame game or a tit for tat response
lets all stand up for humanity and speak up against all the crime against innocent people regardless of their race, religion and ethnicity.
Most important of all, lets not judge the whole community by the actions of a few corrupt people who manipulate religion representing their own ideas.
what you see in most countries, specifically middle east, like cutting off hands, beheading, stoning to death,it is THAT countries law, it just so happens that it is a muslim country and people mistake it for it to be an Islamic law. Such laws do NOT represent Islam. No religion, including Islam teaches violence, crime and killing.

P. Bayless-You, as an old lady, should know that the elderly can look grumpy regardless of their feelings. Shame on all of you who frown on the immigrants who search for a better life. Do you spoiled native kids of America, Germany, or anywhere think that you're better than the educated immigrants from the middle east, scientists and doctors working on life saving diseases? Or the immigrants from Mexico, doing our back-breaking labor for tiny pay?

Shame German... they did same in past. They have no respect for religion. May ALLAH bless her and family. RIP

PS...Zane....How do you know Ray goes to church? You probably don't believe you're judgemental, do you?

I am married to a Muslim. This is what I've learned. They will hold a whole country accountable for the actions of one individual who made a choice of their own free will and acted of their own volition. They do not seem to grasp the concept of "individualism." This makes sense as they live in a "collectivist" society(ies). In America and Western Europe we understand individual accountability better because we live in "individualist" societies.

Also, they never let things go. If there was anything that ever happened to them (as in "we Muslims" or as in "me" or "I") then you will hear about it forever and a day, whenever something reminds them about it.

im not a racist or bigot but i wanna lay out a few things i think about when i read this article, and what happened here was a tragety i wish no one would have to go through, also i believe its clearly a courtroom personal skrew up big time...I dont see how 2 egyptian researchers could have there trust in germany shattered by this incident, no ones rights were violated a punk murderer got a knife in passed security etc, and I do believe they have more rights in Germany then they have in egypt, I dont think it shows that the german govt are hating on muslims, but i dont t think a rallying cry by muslims is needed here, I believe muslims got a black eye in public because of doing just that thing IE the cartoons etc, I just fail to see any huge rally going on against violence by muslims at all, and that picture of the dancing in the streets after 9/11 is probably always on most peoples minds when they see this

Look at a number of the commentators, like Vanessa, above and their their bigoted comments, essentially saying a young pregnant woman deserved to be stabbed to death in a court of civil justice. Because either a) she should have assimilated or b) Muslims as a collective whole haven't shed enough tears over victims of terrorism (despite being themselves the #1 target of such extremists).

How ironic that such individuals, under different circumstances, would no doubt be the first to present themselves as law and order fanatics concerned about civil protection; but under the right illumination they expose themselves for the base criminals they truly are.

Nothing more than rats from the gutter and an anchor on the human race.

come on everyone give ray a break, its not his fault he was born in Mississippi. He cant HELP but be a racist prick.
willis and fifi are just as dumb. they prove racism is alive and well in USA.
they are the type that think only Christians have rights.

Its is that attitude that makes the world think we are all a bunch or racists who cant see ANYTHING in historical perspective. Most americans dont know, cant comprehend how we have affected the middle east and the rest of the world.

God will judge you bigots and racist. and since you dont think you have sinned you wont ask for forgiveness. and by your own rules will not be forgiven by your christian judge.

We are each of us right and each of us wrong. Arguments about why these things happen and how authorities, etc., should respond are pointless. The only way we will ever have peace in this world is when the majority of human beings on this planet (who are peace-loving) speak up and drown out the voices of extremism on both sides. When we feel the same pain at the death of a young mother or innocent child who doesn't pray like us or look like us, as we would if they were our own sister or child, then we will have peace. It is very easy when reading news like this to assign blame – makes us feel more safe, in a weird way. But, the majority of human beings are not capable of harming their fellow human beings.

I have a great deal of hope for the next generation – through social media, they are seeing the faces that belong to the news sound bites we hear.

Blessings upon this woman's family and upon the family of the man who took those two lives. Blessings upon all in this world who are not as fortunate as I am to live in the peaceful nation that is Canada.

How tragic. I hope her suffering was brief, and my thoughts are with her husband and other family members.

Please look into the brutal torture-murder of French Jew Ilan Halimi by several dozen African and Arab Muslim immigrants. This Egyptian was murdered by one crazy man yet all of Europe is blammed. Mr Halimi's murderers were several dozen and possibly 50 or more knew he was being kidnapped. I am sick to death of Europeans being demonized as racist and Islamaphibic. Muslims, Arabs, and Africans committ a lot of hate crimes. The Arab and Muslim media cry about European bigotry yet they publish things about Jews no mainstream media outlet anywhere would ever publish about Arabs or Muslims

its not the debate of Islam with christianity or any other religion versus other religion.

Facts are simple, a woman has been stabbed by a man.

Justice of the hour: Try him in the court of law and punish him.

Yet to be seen: Lets see how these self acclaimed " champions of law" (Europeans, incl. Germany) punish him. Religion NOW applies here, whether an innocent scarfed woman's blood will go in vain or Religiously motivated GERMAN WACKO will be FREED just because he belongs to other religion than islam and is white in origin?

Thanks for putting this story. It is tragic. I am sure justice would be meted out and I don't believe this is a systemic problem in Germany much in the same way fundamentalism is not a systemic problem in Muslims. I do hope and pray that some of the people on this forum instead of spewing hatred against each other simply take a moment to think about a family's loss irrespective of their race and religion. Remember HATRED betroths HATRED. Instead of blaming think of how we could bridge the 'seeming' gap between Islam and West. Anyone who knows about Islam and real muslims would find there is no such gap. Its all about perceptions and it cuts both ways.

i am so sick of the crying about the war in iraq. and by the way, the war was mismanaged. there wasn't enough killing!! i guess the gassing and slaughtering of his own people was not justification, and by the thousands. this was one person. we will see what obams does, which is nothing so far, being the islam sympathiser that he is. isn't anyone sick of one thing happening to a muslim and the whole stinking group of them start screaming? talk about stepford robots!! maybe even the borg for all you star trek fans!

One muslim women is killed in front of her husband & child,so much of commotion.how many non muslims are killed all over the world by muslims in the name of terrorism.why no muslim condems it. most of the terrorists are holed up & conduct meetings in mosques, you think the other muslim worshippers are not aware of this? they are either quiet and they support it or they dont want to get involved.
I am an asian i have met muslims from the middle east who are citizens of america talking ill about america and about they did to palestine blah blah blah. why do muslims want to come here make the money, educate ur kids ,sympathise with ur muslim country and is probably supporting the so called terrorist.
America is helping muslim countries get to the path of democracy,and workers from different countries are helpeing to built their country, these same worked are captured, tortured and killed by the terrorist. these workers too have small kids &wives why nobody is sympathising.If the rest of the world is helping muslims get rid of terrorism then muslims should also help the rest of the world by giving info on the terrorists.it takes two hands to clap.

Murder of a pregnent women at a court room,

Thumbs up humanity you are doing well ,

and fighting on forums for or against her death , insane,,,,cruel,,,heartless.

the worst thing ,,,,,police shot the man who was protecting his pragnent wife,,,,,,the policeman from hell

the loss of innocence ,,,,,this world will pay greatly for such misdeeds.....

After so many world-wars , crucifictions, suicide bombs, torchers,,,,,,when will you learn human race,,,,,,,you hav become habitual of destroying yourself.

Should the muslims be welcomed to Europe and better than Europeans are welcomed in the middle east? double standards dont work folks...

My goodness, the debate that has been hashed through this comment box is disgusting. To say that all individuals in a group are exactly the same and deserving of punishment for the crimes committed by few extremists is completely illogical. To say that a woman deserves to be murdered in front of her child and husband in a court of law for whatever reason is downright cruel.

Ray from Jackson, Miss., there are no words to capture the shrieking, immemorial stupidity of your comments, which show in awful terms a mind that doesn't work, brain cells that don't twitch, unfortunately encased in a body that somehow, to general sorrow, has found its way to a computer to spew its gross ignorance. You actually justify this woman's death?!? Wow, I thought I'd read it all, but you have to be the stupidest most ignorant person I have ever heard from.

Many people died on July 1st. Why do we focus on this one? Why not focus on fallen soldiers who are fighting to keep a new democracy free? Why not focus on the Veterans of WWII or Viet-Nam who are passing largly unsung into the next life? Marwa's death is a tragedy, but not any more so than my grandfather who died the same day.

Perhaps all of the people who take sides should show some pause for a moment. I have seen people that say that the muslim world did not cry out on 9/11, I do remember even Iran sent its best wishes and condolences. And we have no diplomatic contact with these people. On a social level this would mean people not even on speaking terms.
Secondly, there are people in the American/European world that wrongly hate all muslims for the act of fundamentalists. On the opposite side of the coin, theres suicide bombers and terrorists that hate America and the Western world for the acts of a few.
Perhaps our best course of action would be to join forces to rid the world of people with extreme views in general.

PEOPLE, forget the labels...... muslim, jew, christian......she was a woman, with a child inside her..... murdered. period. where is the empathy for that alone?? all of you casting stones.......came from a woman......would you have wanted that for your mother?? simple question – simple answer.

Ray is just another racist from the racist capitol of America. He has an opinion and zero credibility. He is comfortable with his hate so ignore him.

An earlier coverage of this story said the German male was sitting on a swing in the park and the woman approached him and asked him to move so her son could swing. He called her a "b****", terrorist, and islamist, so she sued him. In the US, it might be in poor taste to call someone a terrorist, but it is not a crime, hate crime or otherwise. It seems ridiculous that she would take him to court for calling her names. It is certainly not her fault that she was murdered, but foreigners should firstly not demand of citizens to give up their seat, even if it is a swing at a park, and secondly, should not sue for being called names. That the guy went crazy in the courtroom and attacked her is tragic for all concerned.

@doesitreallymatter
Most people have been killed because of nationalism, domocracy, communism, ethnicity, skin color etc

Religion would rank at the lowest level in terms of the number of people killed. Even now i can count the victims of islamic terrorism on my fingers but the deaths caused by the american army in the name of democracy are in the hundreds of thousands. Hitler, Soviet Russia, Chinese communist etc are other examples.

Religion has mostly been a unifiying force throughout history which has transcended ethnic and national boundaries. There are extremists but they are a minority, most religions have a very tolerant outlook.

Heck Germany is such a racist country but they keep coming. Once here, they take social benefits, demand more mosques, more rights, etc. but refused to let their children participate in normal school activities like swimming lessons or excursions or God forbid date one non-Muslim/white German.

Where are the fears and public outrage from the Muslims in Germany when a Muslim father and his son stabbed their daughter/sister to death for not behaving herself like a proper Muslim in Germany?

Stop calling Ray names, he has a right to his opinion and feelings! Just as soon as someone does not "feel" like some of you, he/she is bombarded with insults. ("Christian, Republican, Mississippian", etc.)

I partially agree with him, except I am extremely sorry for anyone that is killed for any reason. The hijab is getting to be areal eyesore in Europe. It should be left behind...Turkey did the right thing. Not allowed in government institutions, although it is a Muslim nation.
Muslims have not endeared themselves in Europe. Remember the death orders that were put out on Rushdie, the threats and rampages over the jokes in Denmark, the murder of Van Gogh in Holland, just to name a few ? I don't see any Muslims protesting when they kill Germans. Do you?
We can go on and on on about how Muslims have invaded and are abusing the social system in Europe, kind of like Illegals here. I have relatives in Salzburg, Austria. They can't leave their townhouse because the Muslims spit at them and call them names. Everywhere you look in the lands Muslims occupy there is extreme poverty, except in oil rich Saudi. Why?? Because they don't work ! Let a Muslim be "insulted" by an Infidel and all hell brakes lose, they are all out in the streets ranting, raving and shooting, shouting threats. You see the new clips..
From what I understand the woman told this German to move in the park, so she could get by with her son for him to play, he got angry mad and called her a terrorist. She took him to court and he went berserk. The German court system is lax, they do not have the death penalty, nor do they give such lengthy sentences for murder as they do in the USA. There was no reason to shackle this guy at that point, he had not been arrested for calling her a name. He was just supposed to appear in court. This will get worse in Europe. The Europeans are losing patience with the Muslims because they generally don't conform to the laws of the land. They are dragging their traditions with them, like the hijab and the burka. England allows them to marry more than one wife ?! Why would there be a different law for Muslims? Muslims must either conform or move back to their mother country, there will be many clashes. The Chinese thought they were immune and look at it now, it has only started. The Koran and the hate mongering mullahs demand it !

First, being a well traveled Egyptian Muslim I would like to say that not all Germans are like that at all, however, the German Government is definitely guilty of doing much too little much too late. Also, while the hatred for Muslims has existed secretly in Europe for along time, it is the European Governments and the American Government that allowed it to surface and become an almost acceptable sentiment after 9/11 under the guise of freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
Finally, for those who keep saying Egyptian Muslims persecute Copts (Egyptian Christians) Kindly stop spreading nonsense. There is NO persecution of Copts in Egypt. They are a minority and suffer nothing more than feeling they are a minority. Now on the other hand, consider what their equals do to Muslim minorities in Bosnia, Sarajevo and Chechnya. These 3 locations are also of the Eastern Orthodox Faith just like the Egyptian Copts and we all know what happened there.
May Allah grant Marwa his eternal paradise.

Totally agree with Ray Jackson! Why should west feel sorry about her?!

PS: Know I shouldn't but I had a laugh reading this news... Her husband was shot because he was mistaken for the assailant! LOL

The comment section really shows the mentality which caused this crime.

Western media including CNN is to be blamed for this. Notice how the reporter said 'what protesters call as a hate crime'. Why reporter bluntly called it a hate crime?

most western are making justification of the crime which shows general mentality in west.

Hearing it makes me sick.

What a bunch of hypocrates.

A Western drawes some funny pictures.. the Muslim World cries out and demands his death. Some idiot German right wing extremist (Yes, we still got those and we are fighting them but so do all other Western countries) stabs a woman who happens to be Muslim and the Muslim World is in an outrage.

But... Muslims blow up other Muslims, Americans, Europeans, whoever ..and there is no outcry. Muslim behead other Muslims, even young children and babies... and there is no outcry.

This makes me sick.

You people want justice? Start cleaning up your own frontyard!
You simply can not demand rights that you you are not willing to give to others ...unless you learn that lesson you will always stay behind and have other people harvest the fruits of the 21st century.

Please note: the man who stabbed Marwa was from Russia. Why isn't that mentioned?

seriously Ray, I really wish that god put you in this family's shoes , maybe you would feel and understand what it really means when such a thing happens.

firstly i would like to express my utter revulsion at this racist and natzi crime. there are far too many who believe it is normal or even ok, the killing of the mother and her unborn child can only e avenged by beheading the murderer.

for the record i dont hold extremist view, i believe the response fits the crimei am appaled at all the replies who think its "ok".

As Germany as well as most other parts of Western Europe are flooded with so called migrants from the arab world who basically seek out to abuse the western welfare system and live on local taxpayer´s money it is only understandable that the majority of Europeans are no longer willing to tolerate such kind of migration.

I can only hope that this incident in Dresden is sparking an exodus of muslims from Europe. Unfortunately I fear it won´t as it is still so much easier to live on welfare in our countries than to rely on one´s own hands´work in muslim countries.

I wonder by the way what would happen if suddenly Europeans would migrate in big numbers to countries such as egypt, not adopt to their lifestyle, with migrating women walking around with NO headscarfs, probably short skirts due to warm weather etc. If u ever think of leaving ur country, try to ADJUST to the lifestyle of the country that´s taking u in! In Europe people are so tired and annoyed by all those headscarfs around them, it is truly time for a ban on those medieval traditions.

The fact that this man was in a court, being prosecuted for a crime against his victim already shows that he indeed was a disturbed man. Things like this do happen, regardless of race, religion or country. Disturbed people live all over the world, and accusing Germany as a whole for racism on behalf of one madman is nuts.

I really feel for the family that was shattered this way and I wish them the best in the future. Lets hope that the extremists dont try and make this poor woman into an excuse for killing more people.

This is a wrong of one man to one woman not a nation nor a religion. Period! This had often happened in the past when a lunatic kills a person...we know of many in history...there are lunatics and there are victims. I sympathise with the family. YEs what happened is truly sad. But, the fact that this woman wears a hijab does not make her nor Islam a target. Can someone tell me why the life of this woman is more valuable than the thousands that die at the hands of suicide bombers in the name of Islam. Perhaps someones just wants another excuse to take to the streets

The world will soon be divided into religions. If muslims are not happy in non muslim countries, why do migrate there in the first place?

The world will soon be divided into religions. If muslims are not happy in non muslim countries, why do they migrate there in the first place?

where is the outcry from muslims who kill their women in so called honour killings. It happens all over their world.Young women killed for the flimiest reasons by their own men folk. How are these women avenged.I think muslims should do alot of soulsearching before accusing anyone.

Quoting Wills:

"Stay in a Muslim country if you want to look and act like a Muslim. Your insistance to maintain your visible religious beliefs are now stirring up trouble everywhere."

Have you been in a Muslim country? Do you know that the trouble that's being stirred up is HUGELY in Muslim countries too? Do you know that in places like pakistan and egypt it's becoming hard to wear a hijab even there?

I wonder what's stirring up problems then? Probably the ones who started the hate propaganda that produces mindless hate like yours... probably partly your own "insistance to maintain" secularism. People so incapable of understanding another point of view are the reason there is no peace or justice today.

It's a sad and tragic incident, but saying that all Germans, Germany, Europe and the whole world are full of hatred against the Muslim community...Well, that's VERY exaggerated. Especially when there were one or two "honor killings" in Germany the past month. So, Muslim fathers and brothers killing their daughters and sisters respectively is okay? Maybe one should think about that, too.

jigalong,

I think women exposing their curves like a meat market is just ridiculous and should be banned.

What say about that, you narrow-minded hindrance to peace? The world consists of a lot of people, nothing makes you more equal than the rest.

killing of christians in Egypt, sudan, Nigeria,yemen and in some other places are carried out by muslims,and mostly the radicals and extremist among them,,, but does that really justify the killing of this innocent pregnant woman,,,,and the so called( mistaken)shooting of her husband,,, by the highly trained, sophisticated german police?,,,well, to me it just seems babaric and cruel,,,nevertheless it isnt a surprice the perpetrator of this evil knew quite well that he would be pampered by his government,, no matter matter what,so that gave him the audacity,anyway if he doesnt get gis deserved punishment, from the govenment.... Gods´will always be there no matter how long,,,alas that isnt what my bible teaches me,,

Bizarrely the cries of foul from the Muslim world over one murdered woman stand in stark contrast to the hundreds of muslims who have just been killed in riots in China. Is there a rational explanation why the death of one human being by a criminal is so contentious but the slaughter of islamic chinese citizens is not? How many Muslims died in Iraq during the same period? This is a stark reminder of the selective reaction of the muslim world to allegations of abuse of their faith. For a European country to dare to allow the publication of contentious cartoons brings the house down, for governments to slaughter hundreds of Muslims in far corners of the world does not receive a mention. Shameless hyporcrisy.

This comment is for Angela, who posted on July 10th,

"The killing of one Muslim woman in Germany was committed by a hateful individual, whereas the slaughter of Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims by Muslims is SYSTEMATIC, because it is mandated by the Koran and the hatemongering Islamic clerics. Islam is NOT compatible with democracy and western values."

Please point out to me where in the "Koran" it is "mandated" that Muslims kill Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims ... I must have missed that part.

As a "westerner" who converted to Islam because of its promise of peace, I think you should get a clue ... Read the Q'uran before speaking about it ...

I have not read any opinion pieces on CNN expressing consternation at the numerous Muslim victims of Islamic barbarity – the women who are stoned, the girls who have their genitals sliced off, who are forcibly married to men two or three times their age, or who are victims of "honour killings" because they have non-Muslim boyfriends or have adopted "un-Islamic" dress or behaviour. The human rights abuses that occur on a daily basis in Muslim lands are too numerous to count.
The typical Western "liberal" commentator, as in this case, only gets upset when the perpetrator can be clearly identified as a non-Muslim. Then he joins in the outcry – equally selective – that rings through the Muslim world.

Somehow, I am, as a woman, expected to be covered and weiled when visiting some muslim country, regardless for this being against my religious beliefs. And, respecting their culture, I do cover up.

Why is it so difficult to respect Western civilisation culture standards by muslims? Why do they come there and keep to their standards, and request us to obey their standards in their country? So their stadards should be obeyed everywhere and by everyone, and West can keep theirs at their home only, and then only if it doesn't bother anyone else visiting?
Somehow I am lost in trying to undrestand.

What ignorance to compare the death of a woman stabbed to death in what should be the safest place in a country to terrorists attacking london or non-muslims. Your ignorance is a far cry from the questions that you should be asking,

how did he get a knife in the court room
how did a police officer mistake the husband as the attacker.

This woman was one of the good people the kind of person every religion and race needs, somebody who just wanted to get on with her life and stood up for her values without demanding anything but respect for her beliefs, don't make about politics or terrorists, let us mourn what has happened and realize that we are lost as people until we start to realize that we must rise above the chaos rather than sink below it and fuel it.

When things like this happen people end up drowning the real issue with some non related and superficial non issues.
To stab a person 18 times takes at least 18 to 20 seconds. Was this maniac alone in this courtroom with the couple? Was the maniac not scanned with all those funny gadgets used for metal detectors?
We should be talking about a possible connivance with the security personnel to allow this SOB into a courtroom with a knife. Give me a break here. You mean to tell me the world froze for those 20 seconds or more that made it possible for him to stab the poor woman 18 times and even went ahead to harm the husband.

There are plenty of messed up people around. Like it or not, they exist. Punishment should be carried on to the perpetrator irrespective of ethinicity. On what ground this statement comes from "They criticized Europe in general and Germany in particular for becoming increasingly extreme towards minorities, especially Muslims."? The more this issue is highlighted on ethinicity ground it will only increase and aggreviate the level of unrest btw these two world. This will only be beneficial to the rise of extremist on both sides and in the long run it will be of no beneficial to anyone this is the main objective of extremist – Justice should be served on the ground that she is being murdered.

It is highly unfortunate we find ourselves in this situation. Every person that habours hate of any sort will produce children that they inadvertently teaches same to. It is very strange that the hijab that covers up a muslim woman is now a sign of terror. so many cultures have clothing articles that identifies them, most of which have long histories and bear meaning recognised by people who wear them. The Quran preaches peace and says every creature has a right to this world. Nobody can dictate what religion the other person practices, for the Almighty alone knows who worships him. I feel sorry for the German man for he knew no better and may this show others that the threat is within them. May God give her son and husband the strength to bear the loss.

Some people will justify it that they kill Germans in Yemen so big deal if a Muslim woman is killed by German man, How can we all be so cruel to compare killings and justifies it happily. We humans are becoming Yahoo's described by Jonathan Swift in Gulliver’s Travels as a race of wild beings who are half beast and half man, and who have none of the finer instincts of (even) beasts.

Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, who cares. The fact that another innocent person was taken away from this world should be the key point here. We as a world need to stop assimilating people by religion and think of others as equals, then we can come together and tear down the walls of those that force us to react like animals, as we see in the news everyday. The fact that a muslim wears a head scarf is irrelevant, the fact that the fanatic religion side, wants to change the society of my home country, is distressing. Now, going the other way is where we lose track. Their are not to many muslim countries where you can have a church over the next corner from a mosque, and there is no Muslim country where woman have to wear a scarf, that allow foreign woman not to do so...... So a lot of the arguments above are justified on the side of Democratic people. Remember the oldest saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" maybe there is more to this...............

What this story represents is humans at their worst. If a European is killed by Muslim extremists, Europeans express outrage at Muslims, but are silent when a European extremist kills a Muslim.

If Muslim extremists kill a European, Muslims are silent.

Talk a look at yourself... which side are you on? If you are Muslim, have you openly protested against the extremists in your world. If you are European, have you done the same against your extremists?

Why don't the moderate people in both groups express outrage at the extremists in whatever form they come? Extremists are the problem. They only want what they want and they will kill to get it. Don't be manipulated. Fight extremists of any form and this world will be a better place.

It's not their fault to be Muslim. They didn't and cannot choose where to be born. Not all Muslim are terrorists. Please be fair to those pacifist but happens to be Muslim.

Yeah, so I have a question... where on Earth, under it or in space do people who claim that the Quran tells Muslims to kill non-muslims get that garbage?!?!?!

First of all, Muslims do not consider Christians and Jews to be infidels. Never in the Quran are they called infidels, they are referred to as "People of the Book" and us Muslims are commanded to treat them as friends (yeah, big surprise).

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" Al Baqara, Verse 62

"and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant." Al Maeda, Verse 82

So please do not just throw blind accusations without doing proper research... because this is exactly what fundamentalists do.

The fact that Marwa was killed for her religious beliefs is a mini-holocaust-like hate crime that is just as disgusting.

Please, start making decisions without your televisions; Because, despite the fact that information is one click away, the world's ignorance has become encyclopedic.

I seem to recall that in Iraq these past months and few years that a number of women were murdered who ventured out in public and on the streets without wearing the Hijab or were considered "immodestly dressed".

Like the people are busy setting up pages of tribute to this Egyptian lady who was muredered in Dresden, may I sugest that someone or someones also take the troublke to set up website pages and e-Shrines devoted to these poor unfortunate Iraqi women whom I call "Non-Hijab Martyrs"?

It is a terrible thing that happened in Germany. We should all unite to stamp out racial and religious hatemongering, which is very common not only in Europe and America, but in the Muslim world itself!
I think it is necessary to issue a warning to anybody going from America or Germany to Muslim countries, specifically Egypt, to avoid going there at all, or at least, to be prepared if you have to go. If Muslims kill people over what the Pope said or over some cartoons, imagine what they will do after this!

In 2000, I visited the World Trade Center, and I ate at a Kabob place inside of it. To this day, I don't know whether Ahmed (the owner of the place and a very pleasant guy) has lived or died in the attacks. I do know that few dozen Muslims died in those attacks.
Nothing can justify terrorism, and to this day, more Muslims have died and suffered because of it than non Muslims. Be it in Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan or elsewhere. Also, Many potential attacks have been uncovered by oridnary Muslim citizens, which in itself saved lives.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Many conservative radio talk shows in this country incite and advocate extremism against Muslims, and if something isn't done about that, it won't be long before we have a new wave of extreme or terrorist attacks against them.
It's time for wisdom to prevail. That crime was tragic, and could've been avoided.

A bit different when the boot is on the other foot isn't it!
Tell your brothers to stop killing Westerners and you might even get a tiny little bit of sympathy.
In the meantime suck it up like the rest of us infidel nonbelievers have to.

Dear Wills(espically),
If we stay in our countries because we are musilms...please remov the millions of europeans and americans from our countries. guess they can't leave cause they feed their children from our MUSLIM money.

It is by no means a racist crime. However, we do not have the right to condemn the entire German people for the crime of an individual. Furthermore, why do people in the Muslim world keep silent when an aid worker is killed whether in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan or Africa? Aren’t those killed human beings as well?
Racism occurs on both sides of the Mediterranean, and until we learn to accept and respect each other, such incidents will continue to happen.
Last but not least, I am Muslim, and I am sorry to say that we as Muslims need to learn how to tolerate and respect others before we ask others to tolerate and respect us.

Just like the thousands who have been killed in 11/9 and the others in London and across Europe, there have been thousands of Muslims killed by Muslim extremists in Iraq, Jordan and Egypt. Extremists use the name of Islam but have created their own war against anyone who does not follow them. Murders of foreigners in Jordan and Egypt in the name of religion have always recieved outcrys from officials, the media and the people. However, what you hear about in the West are the extremists who condone such acts.

The hundreds or even thousands of ignorant extremists don't speak on behalf of the millions of Muslims who have befreinded non-Muslims and opened up their contries and their homes for them. As Muslims, we are suffering as much as you from the wave of extremists – don't let your own extremists take over or allow them to represent you.

Angela, you base your comments on hearsay. I bet you never studied Quran but are commenting like an expert. I am a muslim and I am proud to say that Quran proclaims that "murder of any person is the murder of humanity". Also it is never ever mandatory for any muslim , the systematic slaying of non-muslims. Of all the muslims around the world, hardly one per cent can be labeled terrorists or extremists or fundamentalists. Hot headed blood thirsty morons are found in every religion, doesn't mean we should condemn the whole group.

RIP to the mother and child, it sucks the child didn't get to see the light of day. But in a sense I'm happy that baby doesn't get to see the ugly monster called RACISM that will never die in this pathetic world. I wish I can hug her husband and give him my sympathy for standing up for his wife. I'm sure everyone in this forum would do the same for their loved ones.

There are now over 50 million muslims in western Europe now, not because the people wanted them but because our corrupt EU Gov´t is forcing them on us. Then when one European person reacts with a violent response to this invasion, we are called "evil haters". I have lived in three EU Nations now – Spain, Holland, and Austria. In all three I see millions of muslims. Many abuse the social system and even practice polygamy with 4 wives and 15 children – all on social welfare. When is Egypt going to take millions of white people and pay for their welfare? Never! This violence against non-European invaders is just beginning!

I was reading all comments & feel really sorry for that woman and her family. I feel more sorry for the peoples who lost there mind and compere this story with the related stories ,were happened in the past.We as a Humanbeing ,Openminded and living in modern world have big responsiablitie's to fight terrorism & racism.Please don,t mistake,fighting terrorism does,t means fighting muslims .Because in every religion we have exteremists .Most of the muslim's who lift there countries & choose living in Europe or U.S ,are self religion victum's. As a muslim i believe that wearing Veil dose,t have any connection with the religion, but it is a big tradition of Arab's & middle east muslim countries, that we should to respect it .We should to stop religion war & learn to use soft words ,espicially in this tragidy.

Fact: she was only wearing her headscarf (like my grandmother would) and not a burkha.

Fact: she did not come to Germany to exploit the social system, her husband was a researcher scheduled to defend his PhD this month.

Fact: there was almost no public outcry and reaction, although media reported the case.

Fact: the guards shot her husband on reflex, mistaking him for an attacker only because of his skin colour.

Fact: the rasist scum who killed her was able somehow to bring a knife into the courtroom.

Based on all this, many people (mainly courthouse personnel) made unforgivable mistakes, and the lunatic who did this must go in jail and remain there till he rots.

BUT: Muslims (and especially women) are better of in Germany and enjoy more basic human rights than in many Muslim countries. So this is an isolated case of a lunatic scum and messed up security. No more, no less. My sympathy goes to the poor family.

I am shocked by many racist statement I read above.

Its time that the Muslim wakes up to the truth about fairness and justice. They are not ashame at all of the open and continueous crime against their own ,like the suicide bombing of their innocent children and women in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan or the honour killings of women in their own countries. Many more crimes against Muslim women are committed daily and yet the Muslim men are dead silent. They treat their women like a slave. But would voiced out sometimes violently at first hint of crime against a Muslim woman outside their countries. . Its time that the Muslim sturdy and understand what is fairness and justice as stated according to the International declaration of human rights. Muslims needs to open up and live according to internationally accepted norms.

I am appalled not just by the profound trajedy of this murder but also by the extreme ignorance and hatred being displayed by comentators on this page. Transferring blame and anger over this murder to the Muslim world is wrong and detracts from the calousness and tragedy of this act. It deprives the victim and her family of their innocence and suggests that their faith makes them somehow at fault.

Obviously everybody is entitled to their opinions and thankfully have the right to express them. But spewing hatred against an entire religion on the false notion that it is responsible for all the world's males/issues, is irresponsible and naive.

This is a terrible crime. A terrible criminal act. I believe it is absurd to link this crime in a German court to either any religion or any other terrorist or criminal act. The German Government should thoroughly investigate this crime and meet out a just punishment prescribed by the law. A thorough investigation into the cause of this terrible crime should be investigated and an educational process to prevent such crimes should be instituted immediately. Since this crime was committed in a formal German courtroom a mechanism should be set in place to compensate this family fully. However inadequate that may seem.

And how did the cop "mistake" the husband for the bad guy with the knife? Something stinks in Germany.

"This sad story shows that extremism is not limited to Muslims."

That says it all. Limited to Muslims? Have you looked at the actions of the western nations over the last 100 years? Terrorism is too mild a word. Muslims will believe that his was intentional. How could a Germany court room not have prevented a stabbing of 18 times? THen shot her husband? I can't get through security in a German airport if I have a sliver of metal on me. Muslims are second class citizens, worse, as this "not limited to Muslims" comment shows. And what do you get when you systematically oppress a people? A holocaust, or a revolution. Get ready Europe, for one of them.

May she and the soul within her rest in peace... This coward, full of arrogance, pride and hatred, that a Muslim woman should stand up to him, had no answer to a woman's courage except to kill her. But its more important that people not let him succeed in his aim. And that aim was to cause confusion and to intimidate. No one has the right to label Germany or any other European nation on account of the crime of one person. Undoubtedly there are many others like him all over the world. And I say no one, Muslim or otherwise, should acquiesce to any such fear and intimidation. This woman showed us by her life and death, showed us the proper way to deal with such fear and intimidation. She showed us in the most beautiful and humane way, that such tyrants should be confronted in every part of society, whether it be the courtroom, park, or playground.

The loss of any life is terrible, and we should each mourn when violence and hatred win over tolerance and peace. We should all be equally outraged at the loss of any life.
Where is the outrage for the Germans who were killed in Yemen? Where is the outrage for the Christian man who was killed in Mauritania because of his faith?
No, the murder of Marwa is tragic and the result of an extremist who live in every country.
Every time something is perpretrated against a Muslim, we can't go painting the west or a country as anti-Muslim. This certainly exists, but their freedoms in the west FAR surpass the freedoms other religions have in the Middle East.
Let's be fair in mourning ALL life that is lost. Let's be fair in where real anti-religious attitudes really exist.

I am an American living in Egypt and when anyone says why didn' she stay in her country and dress like she wants instead of dressing this way in an non majority Muslim country....well, everyday, I see ppl dressed with hardly anything on. Clothes that make me blush as an American. Most of these ppl are European. Does that not apply to them. An Egyptian woman would never dress so and this is the culture here so should Europeans who are on vacation here not dress like that and put on an higab? See, how silly it all sounds. Killing is killing, no mattter the race or religion. Come on now, lets be logical.

It's sad that this injustice happened. Unfortunately, injustice is so common in the world. For Muslims, they will always talk about Israel and Palestine and how they are being taken advantage of. But yet their people commit terror in countries like Sudan and acts of terrorism and some of them actually celebrate. After 9/11 there were so many muslims demostrating in joy in so many capitals in the world (check the news for yourself if you're doubtful).
If Muslims want to receive any real sympathy they must also be seen to be doing right themselves. This crime is no less than when women in Darfur are raped and their husbands killed by Muslims – and no Muslims raise a voice against these injustices. It's only when a Palestinian or Arab in a western capital goes through injustice that they complain. So top the hypocrisy and people will probably feel true sympathy for you.

Anyone that has to disguise their appearance, be they muslims or even police officers in "tactical squads" is up to no good. Many places have laws againss even motorcyclists wearing helmets with dark visors that conceal their faces.

The Islamic world will have to stop screaming in outrage every time one of their "rules" is violated. If they truly wish to avoid a war between muslims and everyone else, they will have to learn to be more tolerant.

Part of the reason we have trouble with middle eastern muslims is that it always about the martyr. Every time they kill it's about martyrism and any time they are killed it's about martyrism.

So long as revenge play such a big role in muslim culture there will never be peace among muslims or with others.

This poor woman was killed because of her religion, but whoever says that in the middle east people from europe has been killed (although this is sick too), they were not killed because of their religion. People in the midle east have problems but they don't hate a certain race or country, i live in egypt & i'm shocked when i hear about what people keep on saying about the coptic muslim conflict, we live peacfully together but sometimes accidents happen, it's not a big deal cause the majority lives peacfully a normal life. We are all shocked cause Marwa was killed infront of her son in a court because she was a muslim, this was the killer's only reason, and what made it worse is when the guards came, they shot her husand just because he looks middle eastern. God bless her soul.

No way. Stop this "Islam is Peace", stuff. It's not. It's no more peace than Christianity is peace. Yeah, it's awful that one wrongheaded individual managed to kill another human being, but anyone who practices ANY religion that has as much blood on it's hands as Islam is asking for it. I'm not singling out Islam, but religion kills folks, dead. I'm sorry that both the killer and the victim were so misguided. Keep your faith to yourself, and assimilate into the society you have chosen to live in.

First of all, hijab martyr is an overrated & silly title. her death is tragic & underlines the xenophobic wave still present in Germany.
Secondly, the Hijab is not & never was part of Islam.
Thirdly, you cannot condemn all germans because of one lunatic. Egyptians who do that fail to see their own hypocrisy. Arabs & muslims are always calling on the west not to condemn them with sole terrorists.
Fourth,--> richard h. levenson. Your remarks are exaggerated & reek of ignorance, I can enumerate the more violent history of Europe, or the racist system that lingered in the US till the mid 60's! for your information, muslims, jews & christians lived in relative peace together for over 1350 years. They did not wipe out one another, & muslims were persecuted along with christians & jews by various dynasties & rulers. i wish some would know what they are talking about.

For generations Muslims hate other religions and killed thousands of Christians ,Hindus ,Buddhists and others.
I am sorry for this murder, anyhow killings for religions is unacceptable. Muslims must put their house in order before asking others to do so as they have more blood in their hands than others.
They say they go to heaven by murdering other religious people.Very same people ask others not do so. What a pity

This was a terrible and despicable act by all human standards. However the selective indignation out of the muslim world does not make a big impression on me. It will only, if I hear the same outcries from these critics over atrocities committed by muslims in the name of their religion, that we have seen far too often in recent history.

My sympathy goes out to Marwa her family and friends.
This is an unbelievable crime!
But tell me, how in the world is it possible for the defendant in the courtroom to stab Marwa 18 times before he is stopped?!
Beside the horrible deed itself that is just outrageous!!
I sincerely hope that measures are taken all over Germany to prevent such a thing from ever happening again!

I agree with Ray. These ridiculous women should take off the head coverings, and all the muslims should keep their religion to themselves and assimilate into western culture if they want to live in western societies. I think the French have it right. But...why wasn't the German courthouse electronically screened for weapons? How did this man enter a courtroom with a knife?

I pray that 3 year old son of late Marwa should not become a suicide bomber.Now we can understand that how these bombers are produced.

This was an innocent woman testifying in a court of law and she was brutally murdered in front of her family and witnesses. Then the cops shot her husband! This is an outrage. Don't even try comparing this with terrorists killing people, there is no comparison. This was a hate crime, pure and simple.

My heart goes out to this woman's family, especially her young son who had to witness such senseless violence!

I hope people can be more open minded and have respect for other people's beliefs so the world can be a better place.

Ray and Wills, oh my gosh are you ignorant!! I was born and raised in America, both parents are German. For you to say " Stay in a Muslim country if you want to look and act like a Muslim. Your insistance to maintain your visible religious beliefs are now stirring up trouble everywhere.:" this is just plain ignorant. My dear Wills, America is a great melting pot, land of the free, home of the brave, home to many religions and we are all FREE to practice our religions. Practicing Islam does not hurt anyone, it's a very peaceful religion. I converted to Islam 6 years ago and I am free to look and act Muslim here in America....so deal with it, and go out and get an education while you are at it!!!!!

for all you haters out there, let's get down to the basics here – murder is murder.
and it becomes more heinous when its done to a pregnant woman in front of her family in a courtroom nonetheless.
whatever your inclinations or religion, wherever you're from – this is a CRIME against humanity

As an american/german/ISLAMIC WOMAN IN A VAIL. this hatred is all around the world. People are afraid about what they do not know or understand. As for many of you I feel pity and pain for you. You need to pick up a book and read about Islam before you talk. There are many things which you seem to not understand. When you have read any book about islam you will see woman are not killed for the mans sin of rape. Nor is it right for a father to kill his daughter. How quick we are to judge that which we do not know nor understand.Everyone in the world has the right to practice there own faith. As for those of you who say not to let them in your country. Many of them are from these countrys already will you kick people out of there own homes as in world war 2 and the palestinians. People wake up. This act happen because of this man was guilty of something he did and was now caught.

This woman was called a terrorist and subsequently murdered because she wears a hijab. Millions of women everywhere wear a scarf on their heads. The only reason she was singled out is because of the REASON she wears one, her religion. This is pathetic and unbelievable. It is downright wrong to blame a person or a religion for the acts of a few bad people. Lots of crimes have been committed in the name of Christianity. Should all Christians be blamed? Absolutely not. Also, there are no "violent" passages in the Quran. If read correctly one would see that it all fits together. Some Muslims have said there are violent passages in the Bible, so should Christians renounce all those? Of course not because we know when you read it all together it is not violent, same as the Quran. Plain and simple people, Islam is just another way to worship God. Leave Muslims alone!!!

I red most of the commints on this page I feel sorry for the family of the victims loosing somebody is never easy but I have a few questions
1. how was the suspect able to stab the women
2. was he surched before intering the courtroom
3. why wasent the gaurd close to the woman
4. how did the gaurd get the husben and the attacker confused when the attacker stabbed both of them in front of every body in the room and shoot the wrong man? how far away was he
but I feel sorry for the child he will NEVER for get that day.

to mr. jackson you are angry at the musilms because of the terrorrist
and they get what they deserve well what about us thairs the KKK, neo notzis, gangs ect. hear in USA but lets go back farther didnt the white man kill the Indians and take their land the GREAT CHIFE RED CLOUD once said ( THE WHITE MAN MADE MANY PROMISES MORE THAN WHAT HE KEPT. BUT HE DID KEEP ONE PROMISE HE PROMISED TO TAKE OUR LAND AND HE DID ) their are many forms of terrorrism depends on your deffianition of being a terrorrist look at the muary building out west it was bomed by an american he killed women, children, men why he was mad at the government now should all americans be juged by a few? I thank not
to the family of the victoms im sorry for your loss and I will pray to my god that the father of the son will recover and they both can find peace in their life

I am astonished reading some of the comments. Muslims, Christians , Jews, the world has become a very bad place. Religion is supposed to better people not to make them racist and ignorant.

So what if she was wearing the veil, does this make her a terrorist?

People are talking about Copts being prosecuted and killed, and Tourists targeted. How about the thousand of Iraqis who were deemed collateral damage by the so called Christian US government, or the Massacres in Bosnia . If we start keeping a record who killed who no one would win, we would find out that history makes us all losers. it goes both ways. i think out of respect we should mourn this lady because we are humans, and it was a heinous crime. Not because she is Muslim or Christian. Please we do not want to start another era where one of group of people is prosecuted because of their beliefs, remember we are in the 21st century not in the dark ages.

Your article and the bloggers concentrate on hate, religious differences which is where you the media led them.
I have just a few of simple questions:-
1) How did a defendant get into court carrying a knife!?
2) How did he get close enough to his accuser to carry out this horrible act??
3) The security guards could not differentiate between the husband and the defendant and shot him... oops indefensible!!??
Whether the attacker is muslim or of any faith he is unwelcome in either paradise or heaven.
Despite the atrocity of the act it is not and cannot be an international incident, but the act of a depraved individual who should not in a Court ( anywhere) have had the opportunity irrespective of the case before the court and the religious beliefs of the defendant or prosecutors, be able to use a knife!!
Otto Beez ,your last paragraph hits the real button here,irrespective of the "garbages" religion.
Regards,
Hodgson.

Ray...What a pathetic thing to say! And THANK U all for supporting muslims. I just don't understand that why is that when Muslims practice their religion, they are beaten to death or they are accused of doing wrong?? I have never seen people belonging to other religion being beaten like that. Why are Muslims not given freedom for practicing their own religion?
This hideous act has really killed me from inside. If people from other religion are free to do anything, then why muslims are not allowed to go on streets and practice their religion..they are not harming anyone. Whenever there is a terrorist act, Muslims are blamed for this! Who knows that who is behind all this? Only, God Almighty is aware of all this.
I am a Muslim and I am proud to be one.
Thank U all for supporting MUslims.

"She was targeted because she practices a peaceful, non-violent religion. "

As much as I agree with you on your overall assessment, I must point out a simple fact. The above statement is COMPLETELY WRONG!. She was not targeted becausee of her peaceful religious habits. She was in fact killed as a direct result of punishing the innocent for acts done by extremists of her own religion.
Every act is accountable. Let this creep who murdered her get his just punishment, but don't fool yourself into believing she was anything more than a martyr for the wicked practices of others, that she did not live by. Let them also pay for their own actions-without innocent people being blamed or caught in the cross fire.