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It doesn't matter who started it. It's illegal to torture. Let's be sure it's ended and those responsible for the torture poliicy be prosecuted.
Maybe the only way to get to hope is to open Pandora's box, Anderson. I feel that responsibility for alleged acts of torture extends to those who committed those acts. Though there are differences in methods seeming btwn Abu Graib, and Guantanamo detainees, it is important to note that this was a continuing policy.
Totally disagree with Ari Fleischer on this one. You don't need an expert to determine what is mistreatment of captive prisoners and what is torture.
Ari has a point though that congressional dems are partially responsible.
Who else might bring a lawsuit, other that us att gen, on this?
My guess politics aside, the public wants to know about this. I think we should have it out. Not sure how exactly.
Mr. Begala is right of course. Ari's moment of silence spoke volumes.
about the python story – my 6th grade teacher's schnauzer was eaten by a python released by her neighbors in MICHIGAN. people need to be smarter and better informed when they buy exotic pets...
Whether or not the torture worked is not the issue! Whether or not we believe in and will uphold our values and laws, or descend to depraved behaviors that we criticize when others do them is!
I don't care if the techniques worked. Other techniques would have worked, too...although they wouldn't have achieved unlawful retribution. I suspect that's what these guys wanted and maybe that will be revealed. Otherwise, why would Cheney be so hysterical about it all?
Great point, Anderson...when the Khmer Rouge did it , we called it torture and abhored it. As Pres Obama said, we must uphold to our values even when we are challenged, not just when it's easy, -N-
Waterboarding is just fine with me. We are safer.
These torture should should have never been used on anybody. These prisoners should have been prosecuted and charged or something and be put in some jail facility.
I wish that there was more time for that segment. I think that it is an important issue and that we do have to see both sides to make up our own minds.
I don't understand why it matters that torture worked...You just don't do that to anybody...I can't believe that there is no other way to find out information...We remember the Nuremberg trial...how come nobody tortured those war criminals?
Hi Anderson -
Great job with the interview... thanks for asking the tough questions, following up and including historical references. I am following this story with interest.
By the way, I am insulted with Mr. Feleischer's view that I am not intelligent enough to form an opinion on this topic!
Jen
Now that Melissa Huckaby lady surprises me. I'll admit that. Usually mothers who kill – kill their own children. The profile of this lady is quite bizarre.
26 reasons to love living in Washington
Reason # 2 Our new neighbor is hot ...
Will President Obama is ashamed to see that?
I think yes! lol ...
@ Mike
The release wasn"t done for political reasons it was done because the FOIA compelled them to be released.
Why do they keep saying teaching Al Queda what the techniques are?
Did those memos reveal any new techniques only the US used? I didn't think so, but maybe they were.
Re. Craigs List. my son bought concert tickets on Craigs list, but never received them. Using paypal didn't protect him from loosing $400 and in fact, the seller even has our address since seller needed that to send tickets to him. Doesn't make us feel safe at all. Where are the safeguards?
Paul is correct in his succinct statement: "Torture is always wrong." How that other guy can even attempt to seriously make his contradictory point is beyond me. He just completely embarrassed himself.
Obama only released memos to take focus off his decisions, ie bailouts, tea party etc. Now it is backfiring.
Thanks Paul Begalia thanks for pushing back. Torture is wrong I can't believe these people defend this. This former Bush guy is unreal. This is not a political issue. Torture is against US law.
Really no words to defend it ...
Great interview with Ari and Paul ...and a lot to talk about
Are Cheney saying that is was OK to torture people because it gave good results ? This really cannot be the message republicans want to send the world. "You can torture as long as it give good results"... cmon USA, this is just not good enough.
Torture really is very wrong!
how are we teaching since the tapes are distroyed so what can terrorist learn
Ari stop changing the question
I love this conversation! I'm just not a happy w/ talking over each other..
whoa, yeah Ari, defend that! (creepy pause there! lol)
Get it, Paul Begala! That silence form Ari? Is answer enough.
I am really enjoying this interview. Not just accepting a quick answer.
I'm on Team Paul. I understand Ari's points, but not subscribing.
I think Al Qada could probably read BBC news or listen to a Michael Ware interview and they'd learn all about our techniques.
Yay Paul! Excellent point.
Can anyone here honestly say that they would not agree to using torture if one of their loved ones was being held hostage somewhere?
Nancy Pelosi was aware of these activities. Why did she not say something at the time.
I agree Anderson! That's responsible for former Vice Pres.Cheney did destroy memos. I think he is lying to us!
Anderson, I wonder if we will ever know if anyone "incidentally" died while we were using 'interrogation' techniques.
You are missing the point by focusing on whether or not torture got good info. Torture is against American and international law-whether or not it works. You also are allowing Cheney to control the news . Torture is abominable and treating it as if effectiveness is a justification is wrong, wrong, wrong.
I resent the implication that career bureaucrats are more qualified to determine what torture is, than are our elected representatives.
@Erica Hill, when I talked to her last night she hadn't heard about it. By the way she's a jounalism major, is graduating next month with a 3.8 average and needs a job. Interested?
Terrorists being tortured? I have sympathy only for those that were falsely accused- which is very few. Other than that, I have no problem with criminals getting "a taste of their own medicine".
If we violated binding international agreements by waterboarding and the use of other 'special interrogation' techniques, we have to take steps toward prosecution of those responsible. It's a necessary part of rebuilding our credibility with the rest of the world.
Anderson just said that contrary to what Cheney said that the torture did not result in an attack being averted . Therefore , torture is not worth the larger price that we play.
Great point by Paul on what we did to Japanese who water-boarded our men.
@Anderson – loved your tone when asking Ari Fleischer if there wasn't torture, then why did they destroy evidence.
thank you for pointing that out.
LYING – yes, they lied, which makes the whole situation much worse!
& notice that both panel members agreed that we should NOT torture!
Anderson is right– if these techniques are called torture when other people do it, it's torture when we do it. Ari is evading.
Goooooo Anderson! Keep probing! Good for you... Don't just take a quick answer. High 5 for Anderson
I totally support the administration's decision to release this information. The interrogation techniques were completely illegal and an abomination against human rights. It does not matter if anyone "thinks" we were able to obtain useful information. Torture is wrong.
Then Ari, if you think it's not justified why do you defend those who did it?
Fay – California. I agree with everything you said! Torture in any form is NOT acceptable. Those people SHOULD be investigated and prosecuted.
To Ari Fleischer – After your comments tonight about what you feel is torture and is not torture, you have lost ALL credibility in my eyes. I will NEVER watch you on TV or hear you somewhere and believe a thing you say.
Why is an act that we no longer perform thought to be 'Top Secret? Please note that the 'other' memos also show that the actual Interrogators (themselves) claim that no verifiable value intel was garnered after 120 of these water-boardings.
Anderson, loving this interview with Paul and Ari. Thanks for covering this.
I am really enjoying this interview with Paul and Ari...Its so interesting to see the extent of the difference in opinion!