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April 15, 2009
Tea parties – political debate or diatribe?
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Protesters in Boston on Wednesday complain that government is growing too large.
Protesters in Boston on Wednesday complain that government is growing too large.

Editor's Note: See Jeffrey Toobin and David Gergen discuss the Tea Party protests tonight on AC360 at 10PM ET.

Jeffrey Toobin
CNN Senior Analyst


One of the great journalism projects of the next year will be untangling the forces at work in the anti-Obama movement.

Today we see it on display in the the Tea Party movement - which seems to me to embody an amorphous set of grievances that includes anti-bailout, too-high-taxes and too-much-regulation.

The resolution in Texas about honoring the Tenth Amendment, another part of this movement, has no legal effect, and it's actually a less-extreme version of the secession movement that has started to bubble up in Texas and elsewhere.

The real mystery for me is whether this is just ordinary political grumbling, which is perfectly appropriate, or the start of something worse - a quasi-militia movement that could become sinister and dangerous.

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Susan Haley   April 15th, 2009 6:51 pm ET

Diatribe

Ilona, Tempe, AZ   April 15th, 2009 6:53 pm ET

Let's hope it's just "political grumbling" and not what the right wing talk show hosts seem to want to ignite. The apparent hatred for the President and his administration by the right is something you ought to keep an eye on. Desperate Republican politicians, their mouth pieces and their fanatic followers won't stop at nothing to assure Obama's policies will fail, no matter what may happen to this country.

Annie Kate   April 15th, 2009 6:56 pm ET

Secession? You have to be kidding. Lincoln and the nation fought a 5 year bloody battle to maintain the union – more died in that war than in our other wars we have fought. I am proud of my country and while we have our problems they are not insurmountable – we can fix them if we are willing to listen to each other and compromise on a solution. If we cannot mend what ails us as one country why does anyone think that it can be done on the state level? Take a serious look at what the federal government does on a daily basis for us and then think about each state having to do that on their own. We would lose far more than we would gain if secession came to pass.

Jasmine-Spokane, WA   April 15th, 2009 6:56 pm ET

I find it very funny that Americans are turning to their history and yet they don't know the entire story of the Boston Tea Party. In most people are turning to history now and what's sad is that there are hardly any people in these movements that know what they are talking about.

These people need to grow up and take an advanced placement history class. This is ridiculous.

Alexander   April 15th, 2009 7:03 pm ET

I've got news for you: "quasi-militia" is already here. Those under that category just might be bolstered by a revolt of any kind. But to categorize the tea parties as such is just showing your ignorance. These are everyday people that want a voice...a loud one at that. They've discovered that Obama & Company are way too intrusive into their lives then they feel comfortable with. Remember the Bush "wire taps" that were such a fear mongering tool for liberals? Well, try on an Obama-style government that controls every facet of your life because they hold the purse strings, and are sticking their hands into your pocket. That's fear you can believe in!

indiana voter   April 15th, 2009 7:04 pm ET

Tea party protesters are waving and shouting against abortion, against war, against deficit spending of the past 30 years, in favor of return to christianity, in favor of automatic weapons, against hitler in the government, and probably a hundred other topics I have not yet seen.....

Sounds like the Palin/McCain voters are ready to march for the next four years to air their republican frustrations.....

All 41% of them.... :)

Well, at least the polls show they like Michelle! :)

Brian   April 15th, 2009 7:05 pm ET

There's no debate, just a hodge-podge of grievances and looking for someone to blame.

mary   April 15th, 2009 7:12 pm ET

I never agrred with the Bush spending, and I don’t agree with Obama spending. We need to make government smaller. During the election we heard there were over 100 dept’s. that all do the same things. We haven’t heard of any of them closing. There is a lot of fat in the government that can be saved. The pensions of the congress needs to be changed, they are out of this world. Everyone needs to understand this effects us all. I am a ind., not with either party.

Michael C. McHugh   April 15th, 2009 7:18 pm ET

If they want to secede this time, then I say let them! We should have let them go the first time, but if they want to try it again, then we shouldn't lift a fuinger to stop them. They're only in our way, trying to block every effort we make to keep this economy from collapsing.

If the Republicans want to live in the 19th Century in some version of the Confederate States of America, then let them go. Good bye and good riddance. It might make an interesting experiment–call it comparative politics on a giant scale.

R J Lane   April 15th, 2009 7:28 pm ET

I am confused. In late 2002 and early 2003 when President Bush was pounding the drum of war and hundreds of thousands of Americans, and many millions around the world marched for restraint and peace it was hardly more than a blip on the mainstream media. Yet this round of demonstration has the support of a major news network and the attention of all the rest.

How many lives would have been saved if the media gave those protests as much attention and support?

Michael C. McHugh   April 15th, 2009 7:29 pm ET

Yes, Texas, I believe you also have a moral right to secede. Why not? , I've seen lots of places secede in my lifetime and form new countries. If you feel that strongly about it then hurry up and secede!

Caitlin   April 15th, 2009 8:02 pm ET

I personally think it's funny that liberals can protest all they want but when the conservatives start...OH NO!! Not secession!! It has nothing to do with secession it has everything to do with standing for what you believe is best for your country and family. It has nothing to do with breaking the country apart or being anti-patriotic, terrorist, or anti-Obama.

Kristen - University Park, PA   April 15th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

Something fishy about how these tea parities are being covered. I feel CNN barely mentioned them and Fox News practically hosted tea parties with there corespondents. Why is this? Who was really behind these tea parties and don't tell me it was grass roots effort because I don't buy it.

Angela   April 15th, 2009 8:14 pm ET

This is America. We have freedom of speech, freedom of assembling, and the right to express differing view points. It surprises me that you, Jeffrey, whom I always admired, are not happy that Americans are involved. We care about the direction of the country. We are expressing ourselves. Whether you agree with us or not, you should be happy that we care enough to stand up and make our voices heard.

Jan-Des Moines Ia   April 15th, 2009 8:15 pm ET

I attended the Tea Party in Des Moines Iowa today and want you to know that the agenda was 100% about taxes and the representation that chooses not to listen to their contituents. It was not unruly, infact very well run with many small business owners 5th grade students from a local schoo; who came to say we the American people can not afford big goverenment spending, we can not afford the tax increases that will come to us as a result.

Alison   April 15th, 2009 8:17 pm ET

Were the liberals this bad in the early G W Bush years? I like to be objective about things but the right wing seems especially angry, uninformed and dangerous to me.

Elijah K   April 15th, 2009 8:29 pm ET

It's ridiculous. Where were these guys for the past 8 years??!

D J   April 15th, 2009 8:54 pm ET

What I would like to know is where were all these right-wing protesters, the last eight years. When the then Republican President wrang out a $10+ Billion deficit and the only people to recieve any tax breaks were the very very rich!!!!
Tell all the whiners just to go home and sulk!!!!!!
D J

kay, Huntsville, AL   April 15th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

I have never been a history buff and do not know a lot about it. All I know is a lot of people including me feel like Middle Class America is footing the bill for everyone else and it is getting very frustrating. Despite all of the health problems my family members have they still continue to try to work and not whine about it. We don't need our hard earned money being sucked out of us any more. I joke at work that I will probably have to work until I am 99 years old if I make it that long, but it is not really funny because I probably will have to work that long if I live. The Bank bail out's etc. frustrate me because they paid big "bonuses" to keep the "best." If they were the "best" how did things get so messed up!

addy   April 15th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Diatribe. Seems to me these are mostly the people Palin brought out from under their rocks and the Republican party and their mouthpieces are desperately trying to keep them engaged as a replacement for departing evangelicals. I don't think this is political discussion, just thinly veiled racism, and the Republicans have made a big mistake - the rest of the country is turned off by this stuff and even more people will be alienated by them.

Noel Thompson   April 15th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Why are you taxing us more??? You will lose jobs!!

(by the way, while i was typing this, i was watching poor Tori Spelling's mother show off her mansion. Maybe the President should consider taxing Tori and her Mother more instead of me).

Jay   April 15th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Diatribe.

The reality is a tax cut for 95% of Americans. The 'tea baggers' are just an ugly mob looking for any excuse to divide this nation. It's an astroturf movement looking to take advantage of anyone who might be anti-Obama for any reason.

There are plenty of legitimate issues to protest. This isn't one of them.

James Julius   April 15th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Obama is starting the next civil war.

kathy   April 15th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

I am not a republican and I'm fed up with all the taxes and legislative irresponsibility.

Tim   April 15th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

See ya Texas... No big loss!

jim   April 15th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

I am an American just like you but I am smart enough to realize that a government that prints money it could not back up with anything of value (ie; gold) and continues to lead us into further national debt with our consent tells us America needs a change in management. When ceo's are earning millions of dollars for doing a bad job and being paid off with bailout money is what America is tired of . so if you expect the tax paying people of America to continue paying for something we don't agree with then you better start paying attention ladies.

Michael "C" Lorton, Virginia   April 16th, 2009 8:59 am ET

You can have your "tea,"---but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Aynes   April 16th, 2009 6:03 pm ET

My comment was made at 5.27 this morning..MIchael's was made at 8.59. My point?? Mine is being held for moderation and Michael's isn't. Mine does not have profanity...to the point what's the deal CNN???Don't like my comments???

Matt   April 16th, 2009 6:48 pm ET

This is amusing. The left spent the last several years complaining about the spending of the Bush administration. The Obama administration, in only 3 months in office, has already outspent the entire 8 years of Bush. And the left can't understand why people are throwing Tea Parties to protest ?|? Please...

Joan   April 16th, 2009 7:41 pm ET

You people don't get it. Remember the warning of years ago about Big Brother? Well, that is just what is happening. I consider myself a moderate and I don't like what is going on in Washington and what is happening in this Country. I did not attend any tea parties but most of the people who did were average Americans. They do not deserve the name calling and maybe if you would listen to them instead of critizing them you would get it. Everyone has a right to their opinion. And I have a copy of Our constitution & the Declaration of Independence and I do know what the Boston tea party was all about and so do most of the people who went out to these tea parties. Do not judge anyone unless you know them.

Taos Jeo   April 17th, 2009 12:39 pm ET

Strange...I posted a very thoughtful, non-confrontive comment that appeared saying "pending review by moderator" or something similar, and now my comment has been removed? Is this blog being censored?
Do you not want to hear from an "average American" who attended a Tea Party?

claudia solis   April 17th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

i am a 100% for the TEA marchs, i find it very strange that jeffrey toobin of all people commenting on this subject when he clearly is a liberal, let us have our say in this matter.

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