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Palin in 2012: The argument

Marc Ambinder
The Atlantic

There's a suspicion in some McCain loyalist precincts that Gov. Sarah Palin is beginning to play the Republican base against John McCain - McCain won't let her campaign in Michigan...McCain won't let her bring up Jeremiah Wright... McCain doesn't like her terrorist pal talks....

Think ahead to 2010...2011...2012.

Palin is ambitious. Very ambitious.

And if she wants the job, she's easily the frontrunner to become THE voice of the angry Right in the Wilderness. She is a favorite of talk radio and Fox News conservatives, and speaks their language as only a true member of the club can. (Her recent Limbaugh interview was full of dog whistles that any Dittohead would recognize. Including her actual use of the word ditto.)

Palin will have plenty of time to become fluent on national issues. She will easily benefit from the low expectations threshold, and will probably even garner positive reviews from the MSM types who disparage her today.

Palin will be judged to be "ready" in four years. George Will and David Brooks and Peggy Noonan will all swoon over her once more. Ok, maybe not George Will.

Palin is an enormously talented politician. When she knows what she's talking about, or even when she knows enough to fake it, she is very, very appealing, and very good at redirecting questions to whatever her message is.

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  1. Mary Cali, Suffern, NY

    Let's see...knew she wasn't qualified when she accepted the running mate position, let herself be used like a puppet by the campaign, up on more than one ethics charge in Alaska, hypocrital (asked for earmarks, said she took commercial flights when she used the state police plane, etc.), said she's responsible for Alaska's $$ surplus (she took over with over $5m surplus already in the bank), incited hatred and violence while campaigning, can't keep info confidential (husband knows practically everything that goes on in Alaskan Gov's office), is either plain stupid or just ignorant (troopergate rpt says she abused power, she says they cleared her), can't answer simple reporter questions,....hmmm.
    I would think there's more to being president than knowing how Washington works and having a plan that's good for the country. What about being a good person?, someone with morals, ethics, etc.? She's obviously a "user" and is now using McCain to launch her 2012 career. Sorry. I hope the Republicans can come up with a better human being than THAT ONE.

    October 24, 2008 at 3:12 pm |
  2. EV,Chandler Arizona

    Once we've put her in the house, the next step will be to elect someone who does not even have a GED

    October 24, 2008 at 3:09 pm |
  3. Char, Minnesota

    Palin VS. Clinton 2012... Wouldn't that be something! I wonder how the world (USA) would take that one. 2 Women fighting to be president. I love the changes we are making already!! *Obama08*

    October 24, 2008 at 3:06 pm |
  4. Chuck

    Special needs persons have been Mostly ignored by the republician party until now. I can only imagine what might happen should we consider Palin for a presidential run. The separation of church and state will cease to exist. Get a grip people!
    A journalist, special needs mother, hockey mom, and someone has campaign money spent on her needs to return to Alaska. We need a new breed in Washington. Country and people first. Personel interest last.

    October 24, 2008 at 2:26 pm |
  5. Melissa, Los Angeles

    "When she knows what she's talking about, or even when she knows enough to fake it, she is very, very appealing, and very good at redirecting questions to whatever her message is."

    Are you kidding? She makes Dan Quayle a rocket scientist! Her only appeal is her looks and American Idol appeal. How can she not know what the role of VP is???? I shudder every time this woman opens her mouth. She certainly is no Hillary.

    October 24, 2008 at 1:47 pm |
  6. alison

    Gosh it's soooo scary to think we've actuallly lowered our standards and expectations of our countries leaders to this level??? Yes, this is America...(something that her husband Todd did'nt seem to want to be, example: radical party "ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY")..land of equal opportunity.......But this is a bit ridiculous.....I want a president to know basic goverment, basic civics(what's the VP job interview.....hahahaaa) Maybe she'll run the office like the troopergate incident....), Continue taking her children on official travel (maybe when she meets forgeign ministers??), and say they were invited to these meetings, so she can charge the taxe payers...and throw a few designer clothes for the family too.... She's a loud mouth, arrogant, judgemental, hypocrite, cocky, over ambitous, liar!! She can deliver a wriiten script and wear designer clothes well........Alaska can keep her....

    October 24, 2008 at 1:36 pm |
  7. Daphne Kenward

    Sarah Plain is the main reason McCain is behind, association to an unpopular president, and a negative campaign mate and VP. Mrs Palin has no clue of what is going on in the world. And the world is bigger than Alaska's 700'000 people the world population is 6.5 Billion people.

    Mrs Palin would be suitable at stiring up Racism and division in America and around the world, and suitable for nothing else, which makes her a very dangerious person. Palin thinks there is two Americas one far right, and one for the Liberals. People who value their rights as human beings to choose what they value in their lives.

    Palin wants to tell people what they can and can't do, taking away the right of people to think for themselves, and making decisions. In my view makes her a very dangerious person, and I hope after this election she vanishes back to Alaska, and I feel sorry for the poor Moose of Alaska.

    I don't think Hillary will let her win. Palin was packaged to sell a message, and the world knew when she opened her mouth that it was a disaster, she was an attractive BIMBO, who has used her looks to move through the ranks.

    October 24, 2008 at 1:32 pm |
  8. Travis

    I think Palin will be a star in the GOP for years to come. She is intelligent (stupid people don't become governors), young, and in my mind just as "experienced" as the 1 term senator running for president.

    Her critics have devalued their own arguements by taking their complaints to juvenile levels. No....Palin did not buy a $150,000 dress with tax payer money. The RNC bought them just as I'm sure the DNC has paid for Obama to jet set and look nice.

    October 24, 2008 at 12:30 pm |
  9. Gina

    OMG...say it ain't so, Sarah! The day we have a President Palin is the day I move to Canda!

    October 24, 2008 at 12:09 pm |
  10. john in chile

    Palin in 2012?!? Mercy! It makes me think of:

    Kim Jong Il in 1994
    Milosevic in 1990
    Qaddafi in 1984
    Hitler in 1933
    Stalin 1928
    Mussolini in 1922

    They all had their following. But goodness, let us consider the consequences. To paraphrase U.S. Naval captain, Oliver Perry: "We have met the enemy, and he is US"!

    October 24, 2008 at 11:55 am |
  11. JC

    Sarah Palin running for anything is scary. What does she know about polictics. I don't see a future for her in the big political scene. She is just know knowledge enough about this country. Maybe saturday night live will pick her up permanantly. She seems to fit there.

    October 24, 2008 at 11:47 am |
  12. Denise Rhodes

    The McCain and Palin ticket will go down in history as the most negative candiates in the history of the United States of America. They will also go down in history has the candiates that separated this country more along racial lines.Cindy McCain does not help Senator McCain with her comments either. She was or is she still a drug addict. Palin does not help John McCain because she does not know anything other than what is being scripted to her and that is scary. John McCain does not help John McCain with his back and forward approach answers to everything. Now he is even turning on his own party to get votes! What a real loser. Denouncing the policies of George Bush is a slap in the face to the republican party. Hey, wait a minute didn't he vote with Bush 90% of the time. Maybe John McCain is fighing John McCain.

    October 24, 2008 at 11:43 am |
  13. Susan in NC

    Oh, please, NO more Palin! The mere suggestion that she may continue to be any part of a 'conversation' at a national level or the hint that she'll be "ready" in four years chills my bones! Thanks, but no thanks, Gov. Palin - we've all seen and heard enough already. Just say NO to Palin - never!

    October 24, 2008 at 11:33 am |
  14. Annie Kate

    I shudder to , think that this woman could ever be considered for the Presidency. As some of the young women told Gary Tuchman in his piece last night – we want a woman to run but it has to be the right woman and Palin does not fit the bill. I'm hoping Hillary will run again even though she says she won't. She doesn't need to learn all the stuff the former beauty queen needs to learn and she has good ideas. I hope after this election Palin will return to Alaska never to be heard of again.

    Annie Kate
    Birmingham AL

    October 24, 2008 at 11:30 am |
  15. Beep Beep

    She doesn't have a chance. Sorry. But it will be fun to watch her get squashed.

    October 24, 2008 at 9:27 am |
  16. Larry L.

    I LOVE HER !!!!She is "real" people ,not plastic.

    October 24, 2008 at 9:25 am |
  17. Kristen-University Park, PA

    Palin being a talented politician does not qualify her to be President. Our current President was a talented politician and look what shape our country is in. Sarah Palin can run in 2012 all she wants, if she is the republican nominee they have just handed the 2012 election to the democrats.

    October 24, 2008 at 8:15 am |
  18. MIKE LAKE WORTH FLORIDA

    If Palin thinks the democrats are hard on her, wait until Romney and Huckabee start on her. They will shred this phony when it comes to the primaries. They'll all towing the party line now, but after the election it's going to be brutal on both McCain and Palin. The winks,nods and cutesy phrases are'nt going to work. There are only so many ignorant people in this country she will atract and the rest of us see right through her circus act. Talented. give me a break. She deos'nt even know the role of VP much less be able to handle the Presidency.

    October 24, 2008 at 8:14 am |
  19. Robert Loewen D. Mus.

    Two nights ago, when your panel AC360 included a senior writer from Time (interview w/ Barack Obama for this Friday), David Gergen and Tara Wall, I was puzzled by a number of Ms. Wall's comments. She, while not committed to a candidate, seemed very disturbed at yet another of line of questioning for Sarah Palin. She expressed concern over the question of whether Gov. Palin understood the term pre-condition (in negotiations). Sen. Obama is not subjected to these tough question. This oft heard complaint is puzzling to me, as a very interested Canadian. The term pre-condition is one that probably most intelligent high school students could discuss simply understand language, and certainly, someone with a reasonable college education should get it. Perhaps the point here, is that one person can go beyond simple definitions of terms, having been well educated. People with college educations are supposed to be able to understand language. You don't have to have a law degree, let alone a law degree from one of the finest law schools in the world, to understand terms like "pre-condition". All four candidates (Presidential candidates with VP running mates) are competing for one of the most important positions in the world. Surely, the ability to understand, and make certain deductive inferences, of common vocabulary would be an asset. While it is great for politicians, anywhere, to be attractive, be charismatic, surely intellectual capabilities have to count for something when seeking to lead your country, or, in the case of the VP, be a heart beat away.

    October 24, 2008 at 8:09 am |
  20. Patrick of Ohio

    As if under McCain or Obama we'll even make it to 2012. Time to kick back and relax while the fatcats mess things up some more. Remember back to the primaries. Remember how both candidates had to bow down before their parties? Obama had the Wright fiasco and the "smoke-filled room" deal for the votes in Michigan and Florida to gain his parties nomination. John McCain was forced into appeasing conservatives because Mitt Romney was attacking him left and right for being too moderate, and Huckabee was highlighting his "conservative' credentials. Both men have changed and stumbled and gaffed throughout this whole election. The bailout exploded in both their faces, and now they attack eachother subtley using the bailout as example. Sarah Palin is the least of our worries right now, Joe Biden passes by largely unheard in the media, so who knows what could happen with that man.

    Time to realize we have two bad deals, both which could spawn off two worse deals. Do not try to pick and choose between two bad deals. Check out third party candidates and write-in ballots to expand your choices.

    October 24, 2008 at 7:58 am |