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October 3, 2008
A win/win debate
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David Gergen
AC360 Contributor
CNN Senior Political Analyst

Republican conservatives should be happy tonight: the Sarah Palin who showed up for the debate was the same spirited, authentic woman when she was announced, not the one who sat down with Katie Couric.

While she made a few small mistakes and often avoided direct answers, she deserves credit for performing as well as she did in a moment of huge pressure.

Her problem was that the Joe Biden who showed up delivered the best debate performance of his life. He was extremely well informed, especially on foreign policy, and he argued his case with force and occasional eloquence. Like Palin, he didn’t make any big mistakes either — and importantly, he was never condescending toward her.

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Kris K in RM,CA   October 3rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

I thought Biden was excellent tonight. Powerful, direct,clear and concise. A+

I thought Palin was an embarassment to all working women. Didn’t answer the questions, defiant, clearing could recite the works but really didn’t understand what she is talking about. Wanting to expand the role of VP? Biden cleared that up right away.He knew the VP job description and role. Palin didn’t. c+

Ralph North Carolina   October 3rd, 2008 12:12 am ET

Are you kidding me . The VP debate was very obvious.

One Candidate is a Professional Representative for the people.

And the other is a Professional Politician for the people.
And by the way so are their running mates.

paulp   October 3rd, 2008 12:13 am ET

I am sure the republican base is happy tonight, since what they got was that good old boy, “joe six pack” George W. in a dress.

RENEE SARGENT   October 3rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

I think overall Ms Palin did exceptionally well. Considering her inability to hold a complete thought for more than 2 minutes.
She was able to memorize the same answer for several different questions.

NinaCarr   October 3rd, 2008 12:15 am ET

It was made very clear tonight that Obama/Biden are a force to be reckon with. Biden knocked it out the park for me. He was calm, assertive, to the point and took command. Palin dodged a number of questions by always reverting back to “her experience in Energy in Alaska”. Enough already! She seemed shaken when it came to foreign policy questions/issues and somewhat all over the place at times.

Joe Biden definitely showed why Obama and himself are ready to make this CHANGE in the US and why McCain and Palin are not “mavericks”, but just more of the Bush regime.

Joe Biden showed that he and Obama are for the middle class and that they are in touch with the middle class. They made all their points known for each issue brought up, whereas Palin just kept reverting back to Energy (b/c that’s all she knows) and really didn’t give us what her and McCain’s plans are for this country.

Not doubt about it. Obama/Biden is who I’m voting for!

Paula Pry   October 3rd, 2008 12:16 am ET

I feel that Joe Biden clearly won the debate. His knowledge and experience so overshadow Sarah Palin’s that it is obvious. Sarah Palin came into the debate very well coached and she was not going to be distracted. She would not answer some of the questions at all and more than got in her jabs at Joe and Barack. This woman is not ready for prime time as a heart beat away from the Presidency. John McCain is so out of touch with average Americans and what is going on in this country right now. He maybe once was a maverick, but no more. He has changed his positions so many times and seems very out of touch. I just hope the American public sees through Sarah Palin’s “cute cheerleader style” and votes for the real ticket with substance and real change for this country.

Zarqa Tariq   October 3rd, 2008 12:18 am ET

I agree, what you say about Palin performing better than expected still there was no substance to what she said. It felt like she had learned to use her big words more coherently and fluently but still doesn’t know what she is talking about and did not sound sincere but scripted.
In comparison Mr. Biden came out not only more knowledgeable and sure but also very humane and a total gentleman.

Bev   October 3rd, 2008 12:18 am ET

Governor Palin did a great job tonight debating. Senator Biden a Washington heavyweight having thirty-six years in the Senate. When you consider Biden’s long career in politics, he should have clearly won this debate tonight. However, I thought Palin’s answers were clear, straight forward and once again she did the better job connecting with the American people.

Watching Palin’s poise on the National level it’s easy to forget she has only been on the national campaign trail for a very short eight weeks. Obama by comparison, has had nineteen months on the campaign trail, more than enough time to perfect his interview and debate skills and at times it has been a very bumpy ride.

Way to go Governor Palin
VOTE THE DEMOCRATS OUT.

Nick   October 3rd, 2008 12:19 am ET

Did anyone notice the possible earpiece in Sarah Palin’s right ear, extending down from her eyeglasses? Watch in the middle of the debate on her right ear, and it’s not her hair and not on her left side either. Also, at one point in the middle when there is a split screen, she mumbles something like, “Oh, ok” or “I know” which makes it seem as if she is responding to a voice we cannot hear. Very odd, especially from a woman who had to go to debate camp and was believed to possibly bomb on this debate. Who else noticed this?

Blloyd   October 3rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

The only difference between the present administration and McCain
is that, Pres. Bush wanted to run the country like a corporation and McCain
wants to run the country like the military.

Ralph North Carolina   October 3rd, 2008 12:20 am ET

The Debate proved one thing ,One candidate is a professional
representative for the people. And the other a professional politician for the people. And oh ‘by the way so are their runningmates.

I wonder what would happen if the media would take away all their bias so called professionals, and replaced them with old fasioned
objective ones.

Independent Charlotte

Fay, CA   October 3rd, 2008 12:21 am ET

Who needs a VP that won’t answer direct questions posed to her? The only “authentic” thing about Palin is her woeful lack of knowledge. The winking and the “folksy” baloney should’ve been a turn off for any thinking voter. If the Republicans are so pleased with her performance, why won’t they let her loose on programs such as Meet the Press or an actual news conference? Biden MORE than proved that he was the most credible of the candidates and the polls seem to agree.

Matt   October 3rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

I have’nt heard anybody respond to the debate repeatin itself about 75min. into debate. or was it just in my location? It was like coming back from an advertisement and the progam picked up at the wrong point, it started asking not just the same questions but actually word for word repeated itself. Was there something that was deliberatly being deleted or a misque on the broadcasting of this program?
But from what I saw Gov. Palin really needs to dismiss herself from the running. Does anybody out there in America really want Gov. Sarah Palin running this country if and that’s a small if, something happens to Senator John McCain? God forbid that anything would.
Or should I say being a hand puppet, Because we all know she is inexperienced as she admitted tonight in the debate( i’ve only been at this for 5 weeks). Please tell me I’m not the only one who feels this way. One Very Concerned Citizen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jose Reyes Democrat   October 3rd, 2008 12:24 am ET

Holy Cow! Did anyone realize that if Mccain wins and Godforbid something occurs where Palin has to become President then that would mean Polosi would be the Vice Predident……Does this scare anyone?

Penni Bingaman   October 3rd, 2008 12:25 am ET

I agree that both vp candidates were respectful, but Sarah Palin connected with me.

rrs   October 3rd, 2008 12:26 am ET

The Sarah Palin who showed up tonight would have done well with a monkey on her back compared to her recent interviews with Katie Couric. I think everyone’s expections for her was lowered so much there was no way she could have done any worse than she already has.

Jayleyne Goltz   October 3rd, 2008 12:26 am ET

What is wrong with you people. We have had 8 years of hell. I am a middle class citizen, or at least I used to be AND a small business owner. You think that a tax credit of $5K per year for insurance is good enough. When was the last time you HAD TO PAY FOR INSURANCE!. Lets get real! I cost me as a small busines owner for ONLY my family over $1,000 per month and then an additional $200 for each employee. When we say small business I mean $250K or less. I have 3 employees and there is absolutely no way possible I can purchase insurance for them OR my family. You people have to get real. Get out of your big houses, free gas cards, free cars, free travel, free meals, and live in the real world. John McCain, you can’t even remember how many houses you have, well I have one and one that I am at risk of losing because MY BUSINESS (SMALL) IS failing and I need to pay my 3 EMPLOYEES that will LOSE THEIR HOMES if they cannot get a paycheck from me! You think you knwo what is happening, you have NO CLUE. Try living 1 month in the shoes of a REAL AMERICAN!

Reva   October 3rd, 2008 12:27 am ET

Are you kidding me? Sarah Palin didn’t answer most of the questions directly, she changed the subject, and referred to her “rehearsed notes” regularly. I had 4 women over to my house to watch this debate. We had to rewind the debate on several occasions just to find out what question was asked vs what Palin acutally answered. We are talking about economy and mortgages and bankruptcy….and Palin switches to energy… Why? Because that is all she has rehearsed. She DOESN”T know what she is talking about. If you want to know how smart Palin is… watch the Katie Couric interviews…..you can’t rehearse and interview……

Trey   October 3rd, 2008 12:28 am ET

Palin just reassured my theory she’s a nonsensical woman. I just hope the American doesn’t fall for it again. Most of us aren’t that bright you know.

MEL   October 3rd, 2008 12:28 am ET

The GOP has absolutely no respect for Americans at all, to trot out that idiot on wheels & expect us to vote for her. But it has no worries, because treasonous Diebold (now Premiere Election Systems) will “count” the votes for them. They are in control of computerized voters rolls & are now conducting purges & caging tactics in 19 states, especially battleground ones.

Papasan   October 3rd, 2008 12:28 am ET

Palin’s robotic responses to questions just makes the point that she is un-fit for the JOB! Wake up USA, this is not the Sarah Palin show!

Pat   October 3rd, 2008 12:29 am ET

Joe Biden definitely won the debate tonight on all counts. His many years experience in Foreign Affairs, on the Middle Class Americans and the Corporate Sector gave him the lead. He is known for working across party llines, working for his Nation’s people and that came across very clearly in his statements tonight. On the topic of the economy it was clear Biden knew his stuff and had the facts. This was also clear on the issues dealing with taxes , with Iraq and policies.

Yes, Palin did better tonight than she did in her recent interviews BUT her disastrous interviews hardly left her with any where to go but up! She rose to the occasion and moved upwards a few notches but it was clear she was referring to her notes constantly, still programmed and had to wing it more than once.. After the first few questions she kept reverting back to the energy issue to avoid answering the questions on the Economy, the Iraq War, Health Care, etc. The only topic she truly held any knowledge about tonight was energy. She didn’t change my mind. She held her own but she didn’t change my view on her qualifications, and exprience. She is not VP material and that won’t change before Americans go to the polls!

Markeia   October 3rd, 2008 12:30 am ET

In the beginning of the debate I thought that Palin did come out sounding strong. Although to me she seemed very rehearsed and schooled. I noticed that she constantly was looking downward at her notes as if she may have had some cheat notes…I also noticed as Borger pointed out how she kept avoiding certain questions and did not give a direct answer but yet found ways to make cheap shots at Biden and Obama. Overall I think that she did do better than what she was perceived by many through the media but she still fell short on many of things, and by no means do I feel she would be capable of being commander in chief or his assistant. I think Biden came out looking poised, came out with facts, he seemed cool under pressure, and I admire his emotion when expressing about being a single father, as well as a father of a solider serving in a avoidable war. I say the debate in all went to Biden.

Maureen / Newman, California   October 3rd, 2008 12:33 am ET

Biden did an excellent job tonight. Palin didn’t hurt the McCain ticket tonight, but I don’t think she helped either. I do not agree with any of her social or political views. I really did hope to learn something new about her tonight, but that did not happen. She really does not appear to have any original thoughts or ideas of her own. Either that, or McCain is still not allowing her to speak for herself. Just the same Bush ideas that have sent our economy and our middle class right into the toilet.

Denise   October 3rd, 2008 12:34 am ET

Ms. Palin asked Mr. Biden “HEY can I call you Joe?” – note this was in preparation only for her overly-rehearsed “Joe six-pack” and “Say it ain’t so, Joe” comments – the only two mentions of him as “Joe”, in the entire debate.

Thank you “Joe” – you did a geat job tonight. The true, humble respect, sincerity, warmth, and depth you shared tonight is what will enable you and Mr. Obama to help heal our country.

Question to “Sarah” – How on earth do we replace the “Cowboy” with a “Maverick” and have any hope of positive change?

anthony macarthy   October 3rd, 2008 12:36 am ET

it,s a shame that mrs pallin exceeded expectations, meaning she is realy not up to it.
personally I believe the contrary, she came in with prepared script; what she know and had prepared to answer. If she had done the same in her last interviews it would have been the same, unfortunately, she had to answer, sorry, respond to the questions she was asked, meaning there was no possibility of memorization.
she is simply not there.

Martha   October 3rd, 2008 12:36 am ET

After watching the debate and listening to your analysis, I am very surprised that no one mentioned Palin’s cue cards or the way she was going off on the questions, picking the cue word in Sen. Biden’s answer, even if it didn’t relate to the question or his answer as long as it was on her cue cards to have the canned answer. Like “energy”. After each question, she slowed down her speech, shuffled her cue cards until she could read her prepared answer and then looking into the TV camera spewed the exact speech by her handlers that she has memorized. You can tell by her speeding up her talk and not wearying her cadence or expression, it was like she was programmed exactly to go off on cue. I felt like I was watching a “Steppford Wife”, not a live, independent thinking woman. I can’t for a minute believe that American public, no matter if they are educated intellectuals or “joe six packs” (BTW I hate that condescending, demeaning expression) would fall for any of that farce put on by McCain’s campaign. Sen. Bidden was warm, smart and very knowledgeable on all of the questions. What a stark contrast between these two. She a fake, he the genuine article. True American.

sheyrocks   October 3rd, 2008 12:37 am ET

Palin has shown herself to be incompetent, even at memorizing facts fed to her. She did do much better than her interviews with Katie Couric, but she showed her hesitation and lack of knowledge with her continued hedging of obviously direct questions, even when they were repeated. It didn’t help that she was condescending, not only to Biden, but to the debate moderator.

Biden on the other hand was performed brilliantly, he was articulate, well informed, and he even actually answered the questions. He managed to balance aggressiveness and rising above well enough to make Palin look the weaker vice presidential candidate in spite of her improved performance.

Victor   October 3rd, 2008 12:37 am ET

Governor Palin did not show the knowledge and understanding of the US domestic issues, including the role the Vice-President is given under the Constitution, nor of the world’s issues to make her a good Vice-President. The McCain-Pailin ticket is supported by Bush, and offers the same recipes for disaster and continuation of the isolationism that has led to the loss of the US leadership in the world.

Heather   October 3rd, 2008 12:38 am ET

Undecideds are only 10% of voters this year so think they’re getting a bit too much hype as opposed to most other elections.

Back to the debates which are also a bit overhyped. Mean everyone thought John Kerry and Al Gore won the debates with George Bush, Jr. and he still one. The most quoted like ever from these debates was the late Lloyd Bentsen against Dan Quayle “Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy.” Yet Dukakis-Bentsen lost that election.

Really, on all the major issues for 2008, Obama-Biden are polling higher for voters.

Sarah Palin came as close was one is ever going to get to a “lost” debate as yet all her base still think she walks on water despite being unable to answer basic questions about being US Presidency. This job is about being in the White House Situation Rooms with nuclear launch codes, not at the kitchen table or kids’ soccer matches.

Debbie K.   October 3rd, 2008 12:39 am ET

OK, seriously, she’s inept; and as a govenor still has no clue about key Supreme Court rulings, the American constitution, or authoritative limitations of the Vice Presidential office, and we’re supposed to be pleased with her ability to regurgitate keywords? Give me a break; Palin parroted campaign catch phrases like “maverick, reform, and reigning in gov’t spending” and repeated McCain’s own debate terminology and that’s supposed to reassure America that she’s capable to lead? She memorized words! CLEARLY she does not have a grasp of the issues nor does she/McCain have a plan to solve the real, current concerns Americans struggle with everyday.

If she actually had a clue, Sarah Palin would have been able to actually answer the questions she was asked, stay focused and provide a clear indication that there’s a brain capable of leading a super power inside her carefully coiffed head.

jeff 26   October 3rd, 2008 12:39 am ET

You guys are disgraceful. When Mccain picked Palin you said Biden would wipe the floor with Palin in the debate. You were wrong and biased as usual. Palin kicked Bidens butt tonight. Have some respect for yourself and be honest for once. Be objective.

Allen W   October 3rd, 2008 12:39 am ET

Reality Check, She’s appealing and her beauty pageant answering capabilities, with the buzz words and the smiling and the voice tone variations must have played well in the eyes of some Americans, but that’s smoke and mirrors not substance and I am so disappointed in my fellow Americans that refuse to see that Governor Palin was out of her league. That blind eye is what got this current administration re-elected. I admire commitment but I hold in highest regard judgment. I don’t care if you are republican or democrat because you are human first and a citizen of this great country second and your best interest should be based on that not party. Here is a hypothetical that everyone should ask themselves. If, hypothetically, Mc Cain were president and could have 3 vice presidents, Palin, Obama, and Biden, and god forbid he for what ever reasons could no longer perform as president. In particular order, who would you have replace him first to last. That should answer your question regarding Governor Palin. And did she give a shout out during the most historic vice presidential debate in History? Did she?

Leslie   October 3rd, 2008 12:39 am ET

FYI a Katie Curic is a stupid thing to fall back on for a reason to NOT vote for anyone…Curic is just a person, a bias person, and she really does not matter, really, we –the electorate—our opinions matter.

Also-Biden CANNOT win a debate by flat out being wrong…..He was wrong on 10 different occasions that can be LOOKED UP PEOPLE!!! WRONG on how McCain voted, WRONG ON THE CONSTITUTION!!!! He said that Article 1 of the constitution was about the Executive Branch…..it is about the Legislative Branch. I am sorry a Congress man ought to know the constitution inside and out. There are only 7 Articles to the constitution….not a lot to get mixed up.

Face it, Palin erased any stigmas against her. When someone can hold their own against someone who has a 100% more time on the national stage….I say you won Sarah Palin. AND AND I get her….she does not give a crap about what the media thinks…which controls the way YOU vote because most people only rely on little Headlines instead of reading and taking the time to research your vote. Most people that I speak with that are voting for Obama are voting for him because he is a good speaker, or he is Black, or he is not a Republican, or he did not vote for the war. I mean what reasons….what educated votes. I am not voting for him because, he has NEVER clearly answered a question in DEPTH about how he plans to pursue any of his policies. And for the fact that with his tax increases, my boss will have to lay off employees. And his Med Insurance Plan….you have to go to a Doctor the Government PICKS for you, you have the government running your choices of medical care, if they think the doctor was wrong in you needing a MRI, you don’t get one.

Bottom line, vote Obama, vote McCain…but don’t vote Obma because the media is brainwashing you too…AND they are!

J.W.   October 3rd, 2008 12:40 am ET

Sarah Palin did better than I thought she would . Joe Biden was great
it was a good debate. Joe Biden was better all around informed.
JOE BIDEN WON.

Michael   October 3rd, 2008 12:41 am ET

Get that folksy hockey pitbull out of here…Let her go back to Alaska now that her own people know her, and let’s see how popular she is.

She is a disgrace to any intelligent American, granted that there are a lot of idiots in this country.

If any of you want your child to hang out with six pack joe, or let an average idiot decide your fate and the fate of the world in using folksy talk with the most intimidating, clever, and whitty world politicians, than may God save the world from American ignorance.

Just tell me before hand so that I say goodbye to my friends and move to Canada or Europe.

Mash   October 3rd, 2008 12:41 am ET

Rollins is to in the tank for Palin. Want proof? He gave Biden a -1 for his comments on on gay civil rights. But, when Palin offered up the EXACT SAME position, he gave her a +1! PLEASE get rid of this guy! He’s about as objective as a man in love…

Ken Williams   October 3rd, 2008 12:45 pm ET

Palin played to her strengths by talking straight to the American people. No she doesn’t have as much experience in high level politics as Joe Biden, but that doesn’t mean she can’t do a good job. Bill Clinton was a Governor of an even smaller state and did a great job. She represents the ideal that the average American can still run for higher offices.

kenneth broder   October 3rd, 2008 12:48 pm ET

I agree with David Gergen’s comments about Sarah Palin and last nights debate, however, I am frustrated by CNN, though I think the broadcast is always informative and well done; especially Anderson Cooper’s 360, your opinions always come through, and commentatorship is so biased toward the left of center. News broadcasts should not be structured as to influence public opinion!.

Becky   October 3rd, 2008 12:52 pm ET

Joe OBiden won hand’s down.

Curtis   October 3rd, 2008 12:53 pm ET

WOOOW…Palin was great??!!
I sat in amazement as she just kept repeating her transcript and NOT answering question.
Even in HIGH SCHOOL just saying “YES I AGREE” to an answer is considered to be an insufficient answer.

Palin would say YES I AGREE to a question and then go ahead and repeat the messages she had on the q-cards that she had ALREADY repeated all night long.

This clearly reflects the fact that she doesn’t have views on MOST ISSUES that are very important to the American people, and the reason she doesn’t have a view is because she doesn’t even understand what the question nor what the issue is!

I mean last night my mouth just hung open in awww, I felt as if I could have gone up for VP.

This just KILLS THE McCane-Palin ticket for me.

I do not understand how some of you can say she did good when she clearly didn’t understand the questions most of the time.
Just because she spoke in “plain English” doesn’t mean that you should vote for her! We need some knowledgeable people who have good insight in a number of issues, understand the issues and who are capable of leading/guiding our senate in improving America’s future.

I’m still in disbelief here (just shaking my head)….

Gery   October 3rd, 2008 12:55 pm ET

I think that you need to change the titles of the excerpts from last night’s Biden and Palin appearance that you are airing, from Palin vs. Biden Debate, to Palin Speech vs. Biden Debate. Palin stated in the first few moments of her presentation that she had no intention of engaging in a debate, but that she would respond to any question with an answer that she felt like giving. I do not believe that is debating. The event was presented to the public as a debate, not as Palin speech and Biden debate. Please correct this misleading information.

Sharon, LA, CA   October 3rd, 2008 1:03 pm ET

I am amazed by some of these comments. Does everyone realize this is not a popularity contest but a competition to determine who will run this country? Can we really even consider 4 more years of a ‘good ole boy’, Joe six-pack person attempting to run this country? Please, people, think about what you are doing. Oh, please, get the emotions out of the way and start thinking.

theresa   October 3rd, 2008 1:03 pm ET

sarah plain did so well because the standard was so low! sarah plain was so nervous i thought she was gonna ask to buy a vowel..i do not think the narrator should have been allowed to oversee the debate…since whe is a out of the closet obama/biden supporter she did not get to press sarah plain on any issues..in addition did anyone happen to notice how much the first dude was enjoying the cameras? and sarah plain did not seem to comfortable holding trig…john mcain has handed obama the presidency and he cant blame anyone but himself! go obama!!!!

Bill - Denver   October 3rd, 2008 1:05 pm ET

I’d like to know when Palin was at a soccer game asking people how they felt.

terri   October 3rd, 2008 1:07 pm ET

watching the debate i kept waiting for sarah palin to throw up!! she remined me of someone saying an easter speech..she had t say the entire reheared answer because if she did not she would get off track and confused! biden is pathetic and so is his choice for vp…on the other hand i thought biden viewed palin as a daughter and took it easy on her..i did not like biden until i saw how much love and compassion he showed for mccains idiot of a vp…biden really felt sorry for her..too bad palin does not have as much compassion for her family!

Lesa   October 3rd, 2008 2:28 pm ET

Rather than an authentic woman, I found Govenor Palin disingenuous throughout the debate. Even her seemingly congenial opening, asking Senator Biden if she could call him Joe, if I’m not mistaken, the only time she did was her pathetic canned “say it ain’t so, Joe. ” Govenor Palin as a vice presidential running mate is a very clear example of Senator McCain’s recklessly flawed judgment.

Pam   October 3rd, 2008 2:38 pm ET

Has it occurred to anyone that John McCain is making a conscious effort to fail. I feel he realizes he does not want to be President. He is so old and this is a tough job ahead for even a younger, healthy person. If that is not the case, he is definitely incompetent for the job considering all the stupid mistakes he has made. There were other options for Vice President and he picked the worse one. Also, Palin should have declined the offer and stayed in the wilderness.

MsLinton   October 3rd, 2008 2:45 pm ET

Wow this Sarah Palin character is so beyond me.This is one of the rudest woman I’ve seen on television since Rosanne Barr. I watched Sarah try to beliitle the moderator in the first couple of minutes because she knew she couldn’t handle the test. She was frustrated when she saw that Biden wasn’t playing her game. I seen fear in her eyes.She is so arrogant,and I don’t think she’ll come by and have a six pack with my kind of folks. She’s the biggest flop since Nicholas Cage last movie.

Josh   October 3rd, 2008 2:57 pm ET

At one point in the debate, Gov. Palin mocked Sen. Biden’s having said that paying taxes is patriotic. As far as I can tell, no one has bothered to challenge Gov. Palin on her comment. Of course paying taxes is patriotic! If patriotism is defined as making some sort genuine sacrifice for the greater good of the country, then paying taxes is the most patriotic thing many Americans do all year. Or how about pointing out the obvious: if (a) supporting the troops is patriotic, and (b) supporting our troops requires spending money to provide them with what they need, and (c) in order to have money to spend, the government must collect taxes, then (d) paying taxes is the one of the most tangibly patriotic acts that non-enlisted Americans can do.

By asserting that paying taxes is patriotic, we are acknowledging the magnitude of the burden and the sacrifice Americans have to make in turning over so much of their hard earned money to the government every year. In describing it as patriotic, we are recognizing that it is not something anyone wants to do, but at the same time that it is necessary for the greater good of the country. As Sen. Biden might have pointed out, that is the very definition of patriotism. Quite literally, we are putting our money where our mouths are. If talking about supporting our troops is patriotic, isn’t it also patriotic when Americans actually pay to support them?

Jacqueline P. Williams   October 3rd, 2008 2:57 pm ET

Ms. Palin is being exploited. I would be mad as hell if she were my relative, just based on the fact that she is out of her league.
No doubt about it, Sarah is smart, attractive, and I am sure that she is a great politician in her neck of the woods.
Let’s get real.
We have too many well-educated women in the United States to settle for Sarah Palin as our next VP; women in corporate America, with advanced degrees, whom have knowledge of the world situation, and of economics.

Let’s not settle for the “feel good” .

Sara   October 3rd, 2008 3:13 pm ET

Mash, if Rollins is in the tank for Palin, then Rosen is in the tank for Biden. Both Rollins and Rosen gave lots of points to their candidates. They’re pundits, what do you expect? Should they only keep people who support Obama?

JAN D Chicago   October 3rd, 2008 3:14 pm ET

‘Bias’ is a noun, ‘biased’ is an adjective- don’t suppose anybody cares. ‘Pundit’ is a wise man who offers advice- not quite sure what a
‘ pundint’ is but Sarah doesn’t care what they think, whoever they are!
It wasn’t a debate, it was a reprise of campaign talking points, read from cards, in a rather obvious way. It didn’t seem to matter what the question was, the answer was ready to go.Couldn’t they hire a speech therapist to help her with her ‘gs’ and to pronounce the word ‘ nuclear’? It’s really not that hard. How about we make a rule that says, if you can’t pronounce the word, you can’t have the keys?

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