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October 2, 2008
Warren Buffett on the bailout plan - and our future
Posted: 08:30 AM ET

Editor’s Note: The following are excerpts from an exclusive interview by Charlie Rose of PBS.

Charlie Rose: Are you satisfied with that rescue plan?

Warren Buffett: Well, I don’t think it’s perfect, but I don’t know that I could draw one that’s perfect. I’d rather be approximately right than precisely wrong, and it would be precisely wrong to turn it down.

We need — we have a terrific economy — it’s like a great athlete that’s had a cardiac arrest. It’s flat on the floor, and the paramedics have arrived. And they shouldn’t argue about whether they put the resuscitation equipment a quarter of an inch this way or a quarter of an inch this way, or they shouldn’t start criticizing the patient, because he didn’t have a blood pressure test or something like that. They should do what’s needed right now. And I think they will. I think the Congress will do the right thing. I think that they’ve — you know, they got into certain arguments and they start worrying about assessing blame, and there is a little demagoguery, but in the end, something this important, they’ll do the right thing. So this really is an economic Pearl Harbor. That sounds melodramatic, but I’ve never used that phrase before. And this really is one…

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…95 percent of the people at least are worse off in terms of their residential wealth plus stock wealth from a year ago or two years ago. That is bleeding into the real economy. I mean, that’s bleeding into auto sales and jewelry sales and furniture sales and all that. But that wave is just starting to hit. And if the paralysis we have in the credit markets, if every company continues to feel all we want to do is get our balance sheet down, sell assets, you know, it’s just the start of what can happen. Unemployment’s going to go up under any circumstances. I mean, the 6.1% is going to go higher. But whether it goes and quits at 7 or whether it quits at 10 or 11 or 12 depends on, among other things, the wisdom of Congress, and then the wisdom of, in terms of carrying out the plan that Congress authorizes.

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(On excessive investing in the derivatives and real estate bubble) …It’s a lot like Cinderella at the ball. I mean you know at midnight everything is going to turn to pumpkins and mice; right? But as the evening goes along, I mean, you know, the guys look better all the time, the music sounds better, it’s more and more fun, you think why the hell should I leave at quarter of 12. I’ll leave at two minutes to 12. But the trouble is, there are no clocks on the wall. And everybody thinks they’re going to leave at two minutes to 12.

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Confidence will come back. I will tell you this. This country is going to be living better ten years from now than it is now. It will be living better in 20 years from now than ten years from now. The ingredients that made this country, you know, the miracle of the world — I mean we had a seven for one improvement in the average American standard of living in the 20th century. Now, we had the Great Depression, we had two world wars, we had the flu epidemic. You know, we had oil shock. You know, we had all these terrible things happen. But something about the American system unleashed more and more of a potential to human beings over that hundred years so that we had a seven for one improvement. There’s never been any — I mean, you have centuries where if you’ve got a 1 percent improvement, then it’s something. So we’ve got a great system. And we’ve got more productive capacity now than we ever have. The American worker is more productive than he’s ever been. We’ve got more people to do it. We’ve got all the ingredients for a sensational future.

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We may need another stimulus - if we do, it’s - it should go to the lower and middle-income people. I mean the truth is, I’ve never had it so good in terms of taxes. I am paying the lowest tax rate that I’ve ever paid in my life. Now, that’s crazy. And if you look at the Forbes 400, they are paying a lower rate, accounting payroll taxes, than their secretary or - whomever around their office. On average. And so I think that actually people in my situation should be paying more tax. I think the rest of the country should be paying less, the 95 percent that Obama talks about or maybe even a little higher than that… Just imagine living on $21,000 a year, Charlie, $22,000 a year. I mean you have 20 percent of the population doing that. So you don’t have to worry about guys like me. I would push purchasing power - you push out $1,000 of purchasing to those people, it’s going to get - it’s going to get spent. And it needs to be spent. They need it. And it should come, to some extent, from guys like me.

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I think it’s terrible for people in effect to say that income from investment should be taxed at a much lower rate than income from labor… You know, everybody is against paying tax. I feel the same, everybody feels that way. But if you want a government that’s going to do the things we ask our government to do, you’ve got to get it from somebody. And over the years, the last - particularly the last six or eight years, they’ve taken less and less from a guy like me… The payroll tax is over a third of the receipts of the federal government. And they don’t take that from me on capital gains. They don’t take that from me on dividends. They take from the woman who comes in and takes the wastebaskets out.

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It’s going to be tough because the economy is going to be getting worse for a while. And it might fall off a cliff if this (bailout plan) doesn’t pass. But nobody will ever know that if it does… So that makes it tough. I mean, it’s tough to be in the legislature, you know, and vote for something and then people say, “Well, you voted all this money and you know, it’s all getting spent.” It isn’t getting spent. It’s getting invested. “But it’s all getting spent. Nothing’s happening. You know, how could you have done that? You haven’t done anything for me!” …What it really takes is leadership that knows what it’s all about and can explain what it’s all about… When the President of the United States goes out at, you know, 8:00 o’clock in the morning and then his own party votes - gets him 2 to 1 in the House - you know that somehow a message isn’t getting out. It takes real leadership.

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Whoever said, you know, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure understated it and… a pound of cure that’s delayed another six months is going to need a ton of cure later on. I mean it would be crazy not to do this. It will not produce dramatic results though in the economy. That’s what people have to understand. You’re going to see unemployment go up. You know, you’re going to see lousy earnings in many businesses… You’re going to see more people unemployed. But the difference Charlie if we bottom this thing out at seven percent unemployed versus nine percent, that’s three million people, that’s three million people that if we do it wrong you know lose their jobs unnecessarily in my view… Just think of what it’s like, you know, to go home with a mortgage payment you know and kids and everything else. My dad had that happen to him in the early ‘30s. It you know you don’t want to create three million people more unnecessarily… I don’t want any viewer to go away think a magic wand exists in Congress. So they’re going to see some more bad news. But if we do this, we’re doing the right thing. And if - the system will work over time… We got a wonderful system.

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7 Comments
David of Alexandria VA   October 2nd, 2008 9:27 am ET

I am a great admirer of Mr. Buffet — for his success, his outlook on biusiness, and his upbeat candor about the US economy. However, I was quite disappointed in his comments regarding the tax rates.

I will admit that there is some significant disparity among earners in terms of total tax percentages due to payroll taxes. But, the payroll taxes have a dedicated purpose — and strict limits on the payouts. I have paid the maximum FICA for most of my career. ANd, no matter how much I put in, I will only get so much out. If Mr. Buffet wants to increase payroll taxes in order to fund increased benefits, then I will listen.

But, if Mr. Buffet wants to increase my income tax, he needs to keep in mind that the upper-earners are paying significantly greater percentages than lower earners already. How much is too much? Currently it is too much and there is no basis for raising the upper 5% of earners than to effect blatent wealth distribution or perhaps to assist Sen Obama in pandering for votes among the other 95%. If we have a budget crises which warrents tax increases, then everyone should pay something.

With respect to capital gains and dividends, there are a lot of people in the country at many income levels who rely significantly on these items for living expenses in retirement. If you raise the rates from 15% to, say, 30%, you have effectively reduced their entire standard of living by nearly 20%! Similarly, to the extent many people of all income levels are going to have to rely on investments to fund their retirement, capital gain and didvidend income tax increases will reduce the grow of their savings. Over a lifetime, that can be a great deal.

I guess a few billion dollars one way or the other can somehow skew your perspective.

Deborah Black   October 2nd, 2008 9:33 am ET

I am an RN and make $30 an hour. I can barely pay my bills. I have had to hit my 401, in the last 2 years, when I had a neck injury; requiring surgery, forcing me to miss 5 months of work and run out of benefits. The IRS is still trying to penalize me for taking my own money out of my account in order to survive.
The $600 stimulus check did nothing for most people I know. It was not big enough. People were angry that the government wasted that money. $1,000 is not big enough either. It can’t make a downpayment on a home or a car; it certainly can do nothing toward paying for college. I doesn’t help my mother, who is on Medicare, cover the $3,000 donut hole, for her medications.
Why in heavens name when we are all suffering so much, is the only interest in increasing credit and debt. I can’t afford to get a loan, even if it is avaliable. I work with nurses aides and lab techs and so on; that barely make 10 or 11$ an hour. I don’t even understand how they survive.
We need a stimulus big enough to really help. A minimum of $10,000. I suggest 1 million for every one who received a stimulus check last summer, that would really help all of us. You all who already have millions, could certainly refuse to take yours. Why is it that we can afford trillions of dollars for wars and trillions of dollars for failed financial institutions, but we can’t afford 300 million to really help Americans and create security for us all?

Sharon Kitchen   October 2nd, 2008 10:09 am ET

I know he has been quoted as right many times.I pray he is right again. I know that right now I will not look to buy anything and haven’t for quite awhile………expcept food for 1 meal a day.It is that bad. I ride an electic bike to work. No clothes, no out to eat, nothing.
I hope it gets better soon. We even took in someone who had no home.

Andy   October 2nd, 2008 10:24 am ET

Thank you Warren Buffet. Yet another BRILLIANT mind supporting tax increases for the wealthy… and he’s about as wealthy as you get. I applaud you Warren, for not being a greedy you know what and doing what’s right for the country. Great point about purchasing power from the lower and middle class and taxes on investment vs. labor. Do people not realize that if somebody making 300,000 a year gets a tax cut they don’t create jobs with it, they save it. If you give it to somebody making 20000 a year, they spend it. Spent money= economic growth. Learn economics.

marydth   October 2nd, 2008 10:40 am ET

Warren Buffet I love you! Won’t you please be our President? The lower and middle class could certainly use a man like you in their corner!

Buket Cetinkaya   October 2nd, 2008 12:14 pm ET

I believe the comments of Warren Buffett are well said and should be heard by our members in congress. He speaks on the behalf of the average citizen. Unlike many other wealthy individuals in our country, he’s taken a step in curing this economic crisis our country faces today by investing billions of dollars. If the third wealthiest person admits that he should be paying more taxes than the average joe, I think that basically translates into something in the lines of the government doing something wrong. Congress must pass this bill in order to prevent the downfall of this country and its citizens.

Bill Pike   October 2nd, 2008 12:28 pm ET

Enough is Enough. NO BAILOUT, Bush cried; The sky is falling and we sent troops to die in Irak. He and his friends removed oversight and regulations. Now he is crying again that the public must act. Again the little people are being asked to sacrifice. 700 billion is too much. I say help the home owners and little business first. No more bailout, No more golden parachute, No more multi-million in salaries. Let big business go down in flames and maybe they will learn their lesson seeing as they did not learn from the S & L bailout. It is time to let them pay for their greed.

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