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September 5, 2008
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Editor’s Note: Amy Holmes is an independent conservative who has not endorsed any candidate for president.

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McCain has a strong woman? Well, the Obama campaign wants voters to know they've got one, too, and they're going to deploy her to crush the moose hunting hockey mom from Alaska. In a strange twist of logic, the Obama campaign is touting the woman they passed over as the woman they need to beat the woman the other guy picked.

The New York Times reports that "Mrs. Clinton's campaign event in Florida, her first for Mr. Obama since the Democratic convention, will serve as a counterpoint to the searing attacks and fresh burst of energy that Ms. Palin injected into the race with her convention speech on Wednesday, Obama aides said."

So, let's get this straight. They didn't choose her and her 18 million voters to put on the ticket. They gave the VP spot to Joe Biden. But now that Sarah Palin has arrived on the political scene, they're promoting Hillary as the female answer to the Republican VP nominee. Awkward, to say the least.

And as one female democratic strategist tells me, don't think that Hillary hasn't noticed.

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eric   September 5th, 2008 4:49 pm ET

I was so pissed off when obama bypassed HRC for vp. Has he ever given us an explanation?

Cindy   September 5th, 2008 4:50 pm ET

Funny that Obama wants to "use" Hillary now to beat the Reps but when he had the chance to make her his VP he couldn't knock his big ego out of the way to add her to his ticket. Instead now that he didn't even vet her at all he expects her to go out and stump to win the people she already had backing her for him. What a joke!

Cindy....Ga.

Cheri   September 5th, 2008 4:52 pm ET

Obama was arrogant to pass over Hillary for the VP spot w/out properly considering her...after all, she did get 18 million votes. Now it's too late; McCain picked Palin. However, Palin and Hillary are so different ideologically that Palin shouldn't attract too many former supporters.

eric   September 5th, 2008 4:53 pm ET

Amy, why do the media have to endorse anybody? I thought yellow journalism died out 100 years ago.

Heather   September 5th, 2008 4:59 pm ET

Oh great. I kept hoping Hillary could just go back and be left in peace. Guess not with all that debt pay off. It must have been real interesting at the Clinton house with the TV on and watch the GOP VP nominee Palin take Hillary's line about the 18 million cracks in the highest of glass ceilings. Of course Hillary was running for Pres. Well its like I thought McCain wanted to make history on his own terms and he did. I think Hillary has proven she is above a cat fight.

Bonnie Sullivan   September 5th, 2008 5:03 pm ET

After Gov. Palin's speech, I purposely watched CNN to see just how
they were going to tear her up. Wolf & (darling) Anderson were not
too hard on her, but Good God! Campbell Brown (I am a Louisiana
native) was horrible! How soon we forget what has happened in
our own families (her Father)!
I guess Ted Turner calls the shots there so you have to follow his
liberal terms..how refreshing it would be if CNN could "mellow"
and not always be so down on the GOP. I realize we have lots to
complain about with President Bush, but he is a good man, and
it's time for the meaness to STOP!!
Obama is really not qualified to lead this country....just giving good
speeches, and fist thumping is not going to get us back on track.
I honestly feel that if he were not black, with his lack of credentials,
he would not be the nominee of their party.

God Help Us!
Bonnie Sulivan

Sansu from Oakland   September 5th, 2008 5:04 pm ET

Gov Palin should not compare herself to Sen. Clinton because of this inside scoop...This is an email I received from a good friend in New York City. She is a Bryn Mawr graduate, and is a physician currently engaged in cancer research at Columbia University. This is an email she received from a Bryn Mawr classmate of hers who lives in Alaska.

Because you, like me, may never have heard of Sarah Palin until today, you may find this an interesting perspective from an Alaskan resident.

Begin forwarded message:

Dear classmates -

As an Alaskan, I am writing to give all of you some information on Sarah Palin, Senator McCain's choice for VP. As an Alaska voter, I know more than most of you about her and, frankly, I am horrified that he picked her.

The most accurate description of her is red neck. Her husband works in the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay and races snow mobiles. She is a life time member of the NRA and has worked tirelessly to allow indiscriminate hunting of wildlife in Alaska, particularly wolves and bears. She has spent millions of Alaska state dollars on aerial hunting of these predators from helicopters and airplanes, dollars that should have been spent, for example, on Alaska's failing school system. We have the lowest rate of high school graduation in the country. Not all of you may think aerial predator hunting is so bad, but how anyone (other than Alaska wolf-haters, of which there are many, most without teeth), could think this use of funds is
appropriate is beyond me. If you want to know more about the aerial hunting travesty, let me know and I will send some links to informative web sites.

She has been a strong supporter of increased use of fossil fuels, yet the McCain campaign has the nerve to say she has "green" policies. The only thing green about Sarah Palin is her lack of experience. She has consistently supported drilling in ANWR, use of coal-burning power plants (as I write this, a new coal plant is being built in her home town of Wasilla), strip mining, and almost anything else that will unnecessarily exploit the diminishing resources of Alaska and destroy its environment.

Prior to her one year as governor of Alaska, she was mayor of Wasilla, a small red neck town outside Anchorage. The average maximum education level of parents of junior high school kids in Wasilla is 10th grade. Unfortunately, I have to go to Wasilla every week to get groceries and other supplies, so I have continual contact with the people who put Palin in office in the first place. I know what I'm talking about.
These people don't have a concept of the world around them or of the serious issues facing the US. Furthermore, they don't care. So long as they can go out and hunt their moose every fall, kill wolves and bears and drive their snow mobiles and ATVs through every corner of the wilderness, they're happy. I wish I were exaggerating.

Sarah Palin is currently involved in a political corruption scandal. She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn't like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce. The man's performance and ability weren't considered; it was a totally personal firing and is currently under investigation. While the issue isn't close to the scandal of Ted Steven's corruption, it shows that Palin isn't "squeaky clean" and causes me to think there may be more issues that could come to light. Clearly McCain doesn't care.

When you line Palin up with Biden, the comparison would be laughable if it weren't so serious. Sarah Palin knows nothing of economics (admittedly a weak area for McCain), or of international affairs, knows nothing of national government, Social Security, unemployment, health care systems – you name it. The idea of her meeting with heads of foreign governments around the world truly frightens me.

In an increasingly dangerous world, with the economy in shambles in the US, Sarah Palin is uniquely Unqualified to be vice president. John McCain is not a young man. Should something happen to him such that the vice president had to step in, it would destroy our country and possibly the world to have someone as inexperienced and inappropriate as Sarah Palin. The choice of Palin is a cheap shot by McCain to try to get Hillary supporters to vote for him. When McCain introduced her today, Palin had the nerve to compare herself with Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro. Sarah Palin, you are no Hillary Clinton.

To those of you who supported Hillary and were upset that she did not get the nomination, please don't think that Sarah Palin is a worthy substitute. If you supported Hillary, regardless of what you think the media and the Democratic Party may have done to undermine her campaign, the person to support now is Obama, not Sarah Palin. To those of you who are independent or undecided, don't let the choice of Palin sway you in favor of McCain. Choosing her shows how unqualified McCain is to be president. To those of you who are conservative, I guess you have no choice for president. But please try to see how the poor choice of Palin tells us a great deal about McCain's judgment. While the political posturing inherent in the choice of Palin is obvious, the more serious issue is the fact that the VP is, literally, a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sarah Palin is totally and unequivocally unqualified to be vice president, let alone president.

I know this is a lengthy and emotional email, but the stakes are high. I thought it might help for all of you, regardless of political affiliation, to know something about Palin from someone who has to live with her administration in Alaska on a daily basis.
Jackie S.

rv from texas   September 5th, 2008 5:52 pm ET

The letter that Sansu posted drips with typical liberal condecension. Yes, there are people out there who didn't attend elite universities and actually hunt, fish and spend time in the outdoors.

What an arrogant idiot!

CarlosHawes   September 5th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

Palin doesn't have to attract very many Hillary supporters. This election is going to be sooooo close that even if McCain/Palin manages to pry away 5% of Hillary's supporters, it could tip the balance he GOP's way. Whatever you think of McCain's policies, from a purely gameplan point of view, I think even the left is grudgingly realizing that the Palin pick was a strategic good idea. It forces Obama/Biden to fight on ground that they formerly could safely ignore.

mona   September 5th, 2008 5:53 pm ET

The putative Bryn Mawr alumna and physician (who apparently is so illiterate she writes "red neck" rather than "redneck") is pretty disgusted not just with Palin, but with all Alaskans:

"Unfortunately, I have to go to Wasilla every week to get groceries and other supplies, so I have continual contact with the people who put Palin in office in the first place. I know what I’m talking about.
These people don’t have a concept of the world around them or of the serious issues facing the US. Furthermore, they don’t care. So long as they can go out and hunt their moose every fall, kill wolves and bears and drive their snow mobiles and ATVs through every corner of the wilderness, they’re happy. I wish I were exaggerating."

Poor baby. If she's so bright, how come she's stuck in AK?

Sansu from Oakland   September 5th, 2008 5:54 pm ET

and oh by the way, as we all know Palin had FIVE, count them FIVE kids! How moronic is that? It's like she is part of Little House on the Prairie, raising children to help with the chores. Stupid stupid stupid!

Melly   September 5th, 2008 5:55 pm ET

Obama and Clinton Ticket would have never been a good choice for the country. None of them could have been a good second choice. They are just that good. However, they can work as a peer to get Obama elected for the next 4-8 years, and Clinton's time will come soon. She will be the US president after Obama served his country. MARK MY WORD.
I don't see a girl fight coming, because Hillary and Palin are no equals. Palin has to work for good many years just to get to where Hillary is today, and to learn being a VP is not about being a B. on the campaign trail, you need to have the substance and platform to support it.
I was leaning toward MCCAIN, but after this VP selection, I am scared to death to select MCCAIN. I don't want an extremist, JUNIOR Cheney to be a heart beat away from presidency.

Doc   September 5th, 2008 5:55 pm ET

The email contained in Sansu from Oakland's comment has been determined elsewhere online to be a fake in order to smear and discredit Sarah Palin. Just thought you'd like to know.

abbedale   September 5th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

Hey Sansu in Oakland – that email your Bryn Mawr friend got from her friend who lives in Alaska? Wow – small world. I got that same email authored by Jackie S. forwarded by a friend who knew her from... somewhere..... Oh – I have a great deal on a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to discuss with you.... and they say liberals are sooooo smart.....

Michael   September 5th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

Regarding the email from Sansu's friend Jackie: The Republicans should blast out reprints of that to every voter in the country. If that email is not a meant as parody of the left wing elitists in this country then it should be. Jackie is an effete snob not to mention a political dunce. She ought to be the poster child for why we should vote for any ticket that includes Sarah Palin. I'm voting for Caribou Barbie!

Jerry_F   September 5th, 2008 5:56 pm ET

Hi Jackie,

I think Sarah's carbon footprint is a small fraction of Al Gore's.

She is also running as someone who wants to take on corruption and special interests that enrich themselves at the expense of the general populace. And you know what...that is exactly how her political career has shown. She has cut taxes, and extracted huge financial concessions from the oil companies in Alaska. She has cut her own salary.

Obama on the other hand is running as a post-racial, bipartisan agent of change. And you know what...that is the antithesis of his political career. He has lined his pockets with bribes from the likes of Rezko, stoked and capitalized on a sense of victimization of poor inner city blacks, and established the most partisan voting record in the Senate. His 'change' shows up as a 30 year Senate veteran VP pick – a mental midget who has contributed more to political incivility than anyone with his slander of judicial nominees.

Mike   September 5th, 2008 5:57 pm ET

To Jackie S.

"Sarah Palin is currently involved in a political corruption scandal. She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn’t like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce. The man’s performance and ability weren’t considered; it was a totally personal firing and is currently under investigation."

Just thought you might find it important to know that the officer (her brother-in-law) tasered her 10 year old nephew while off-duty. Kind of puts the whole thing in a different light than the liberal bloggers spin it.

Sean   September 5th, 2008 5:57 pm ET

Wow...nice letter. On it's face, it's a phony one. But one of the most obvious errors: Alaskans don't use the term snow mobiles, they use snow machines. Idiot.

Maggie45   September 5th, 2008 5:59 pm ET

What the heck is that Bryn Mawr graduate doing up there with all those REDNECKS? She's obviously way too classy. Good grief.

gina   September 5th, 2008 6:00 pm ET

We need to get back to focusing on the issues the U.S. faces today, and stop with all of these diversionary, smoke and mirror tactics that the republicans feed on. And why wouldn't they? It won them the race in 2000 (with a lot of help from the Supreme Court) and 2004. McCain needs to answer the question of voting with the failed Bush administration's policies 90% of the time, and Palin needs to answer questions regarding her record as a Mayor and Governor, her qualifications, and experience, and what she would do in certain national and international scenarios if she were president.

I am ready for the media to stop focusing on the glitter and generalities that the republicans have pushed in their convention, and get back to talking about the issues and the solutions each campaign are proposing, and whether Obama or McCain will be most effective in bringing about real change.

Tom   September 5th, 2008 6:02 pm ET

Sansu from Oakland,

Your friend's email is testimony to why many people in fly-over country really don't like liberals. I'm surprised that she would write such a condescending piece of tripe and think that it would help to sway anyone except for an Ivy League blueblood.

Mike   September 5th, 2008 6:02 pm ET

Yeah, Sansu, and I got an email forwarded to me that says Obama's a Muslim. I guess I'll believe it uncritically, since I always believe whatever I read in second hand emails.

Davis   September 5th, 2008 6:04 pm ET

Funny Sansu, I am on a completely forum read the same exact email and the guy posting also said he knew the writer. Oh did I say funny, I meant bs.

It is apparent the Obama campaign and media (which is an extension of the Obama campaign) is petrified of a western chick who never needed or wanted any left wing feminist's help and made it completely on her own.

Jolene   September 5th, 2008 6:04 pm ET

With all the hits to the glass ceiling claimed by Hillary, if true, Obama sure is putting her in a difficult situation. But then again, why would Palin battle Hillary? The battle really needs to be between Obama and McCain now. Let's face it, Hillary is out of the picture. Calling it a girl fight is just adding to the sexism too. If either party is trying to gain the women's vote, having two strong and popular women fight each other would not be very strategic. All it would do is divide and set back the women's movement.

Jolene, St. Joseph, MI

Jon   September 5th, 2008 6:06 pm ET

Considering Gov Palin has an 80% approval rating in Alaska as governor, I hope you will forgive me when I say I skeptical that "Jackie S." is really an Alaskan resident.

Steve M.   September 5th, 2008 6:06 pm ET

Sansu from Oakland

Thanks for the utterly incredible email from your friend, Jackie S. Based on her liberal use of the term "redneck" in describing the people of her state, she sounds like a serious bigot.

Further, her description of the political corruption "scandal" isn't even close to the mark. Google the story for yourself or just go the Anchorage Daily News website and you'll get the details.

Not much "interesting perspective" from that email, Sansu. Just more attempts to smear the Gov and seemingly the rest of the residents of Alaska that Jackie S. comes across.

Deirdre   September 5th, 2008 6:07 pm ET

Doesn't anyone remember that Hillary said that she would do anything to make sure the democrats won the White House back? Perhaps if the devisiveness caused by her negative campaigning had not been an issue, McCain wouldn't have ever picked Sarah.

Democrats... I've got to give it to the Republicans. When there is anything negative about their campaign, they stick together.

Can we do that for a change? Let Hillary, in addition to Obama and Biden, show Sarah that THIS IS NOT A GAME!

Lulu   September 5th, 2008 6:09 pm ET

Whoa, not sure who is more gullible, "Jackie S." for thinking so many incorrect things about Governor Palin, or "Sansu" for trying to spread false rumors around the internet.

Do your research. Quit listening to people trying to poison the well.

Deena   September 5th, 2008 6:10 pm ET

In response to the forwarded email by Jackie S.: Palin may scare you, but Obama scares me. He's at the top of the ticket, his opinions and policies are my polar opposite, and he has even less experience than Palin does. At least she's being granted an apprenticeship – whereas we are expected to give him the reins of government when he's never headed anything before (and no, running for office is not the same thing as holding it – as Palin has). His policies are all typical Democratic business as usual, perhaps a bit more to the left than usual, and with a heck of a lot more eloquence.

You talk about her lack of foreign policy experience. Well, what about his? He advocated invading Pakistan – our ally and a nuclear power. He opposed the surge, still does while at the same time acknowledging it has "succeeded beyond our wildest dreams". He wants to talk to Iran and Hamas – the biggest supporters/perpetrators of Islamic terrorism in the world, with no pre-conditions. The same people who routinely advocate wiping Israel off the map – our strongest ally in the Middle East. Some foreign policy genius you've got there.

I'm not going to answer every point – but here's one more. Regarding the political corruption scandal you referenced – it involves firing her former brother-in-law, who was suspended but not fired for domestic violence. He was also involved in numerous incidents on the job. The man who was supposedly pressured to fire him was appointed by Palin, and served in that position at the pleasure of the governor, meaning she had the right to hire and fire at will. While there's plenty of evidence both that her brother–in-law was not fit to be a peace officer, and that there was a lot of bad feeling against him, there's precious little that Palin tried to get him fired. She did express her opinion about him, not the same thing. And she listed plenty of other reasons to let her appointee go, and offered him a job to which she felt he would be better suited. Fact is there's very little the Democrats are finding when they go mudslinging, and this is the best they've managed to come up with.

Iyapo Kontar   September 5th, 2008 6:11 pm ET

John McCain said they broke him meaning that he told them what ever they ask, did all the other men brake too.
Does that make him a hero or a man that could not take it.
And gave in

Forbes   September 5th, 2008 6:11 pm ET

Sansu from Oakland:

I see the e-mail author has a particularly low opinion of her fellow Americans. "Red-neck" is an especially revealing touch. Why does she bother to stay and live in Alaska, as she clearly does not like her surroundings?

And I wonder if it occurs to you that these long, ranting e-mails convinces absolutely no one–high on emotion, very low on logical reasoning. But fair enough, with Palin's 80% approval rating, the e-mail author is part of the 20% who doesn't approve. Different strokes for different folks.

It would have been more interesting, though, if you addressed the point of Amy Holmes post, which was to question the Obama campaign's strategy of using the woman passed over (Sen. Clinton) for the VP slot, to campaign against the woman VP candidate on the Rep side.

farnk davis   September 5th, 2008 6:11 pm ET

So sansu copies and pastes some bogus email with no attribution? I bet you believe Bill Gates will send you five dollars for every email you forward too. Hey, I can do one too. Here's an email I received:

Dear classmates;

Some fool named sansu has been seen late at night with goats and chickens howling at the moon. Please don't listen to anything sansu writes, it's all bogus.

Signed,

Janice S.

See there, that was easy.

Andrew   September 5th, 2008 6:12 pm ET

After seeing the Palin speak Wed. night, and her poll numbers, I think her selection refelcts very WELL on McCain's judgment.

She is a star leader on the make, one heck of an impressive Governor.

Kitty   September 5th, 2008 6:17 pm ET

Regarding Sansu from Oakland's post (5:04 pm ET)

Well, there you have it folks - Sarah Palin is a red neck and her husband works in the OIL FIELDS and RACES SNOW MOBILES (gasp).

Really, they're just not our kind of people. Not only that, but the people of Wasilla (or as Barack says "Wasilly") don't have teeth. A bunch of hillbillies. I mean, just who do they think they are?

That red neck b***h also wants to legalize hunting with AK-47s from helicopter gun ships. No, really, that's what my friend's friend, WHO IS A DOCTOR, and also lives in one of the only parts of the country which count (the east and west coasts), told me. She wouldn't lie, and her friend, who also went to BRYN MAWR wouln't either.

These are people who went to the right schools and know how the world works, so you have to believe them and vote the way they do...

Ummm, that was some email, Sansu, and you're right, it was a lengthy, emotional, not to mention arrogant, elitist and incandescently stupid email. You and your friends also sound like typical Obama acolytes.

His campaign is in serious trouble.

So's CNN for allowing this to be posted on a moderated board - seriously, this person is deranged.

PookyBear   September 5th, 2008 6:17 pm ET

Lame. I get so sick of "concerned citizens" and their novel-length spam posts touting one political opinion or another. Jackie S. is probably some pimply, college-age Obama campaign volunteer just tap-tap-tapping away in his basement.

Rob   September 5th, 2008 6:19 pm ET

Jackie S. is an Alaskan, but calls them "snow mobiles." Yeah, right. (And just how do Alaskan necks get red, anyway?)

Reality Check   September 5th, 2008 6:19 pm ET

Jackie S,

Are you aware that most Americans support the right of citizens to own guns?

And that msot Americans support drilling for oil in America?

Posting that letter will ATTRACT votes to McCAIN/PALIN. Thanks!

Aaron   September 5th, 2008 6:25 pm ET

Sansu from Oakland,

That letter is from a man that goes by Alaskan John Smith of Wasilla. It is posted online at thebruceblog.wordpress.com.

I'm guessing that this wasn't so much an email that Alaskan John Smith sent to your physician (meaningless fact) friend and rather a heavily circulated left-wing talking point.

Have a look for yourself. You can also find this letter all over the web. Guess where it normally shows up? In the comments section of blogs and articles written about Palin.

Go figure.

Jim   September 5th, 2008 6:25 pm ET

She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn’t like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce.

Oops! We told a little fib, didn't we, Jackie S?

allen   September 5th, 2008 6:26 pm ET

She has an 80% approval rating in Alaska but we're supposed to believe a letter from one woman who has an axe to grind. Palin is a self made woman who kicks ass. My wife registered to vote the morning after her speech. Is the next letter that you cut and paste going to be about anything real?

MJSamuelson   September 5th, 2008 6:27 pm ET

If I were Hillary Clinton, I'd say no and go on the speaking circuit for myself instead. What could be gained by being the back-up ammunition that no one was willing to front-load?

Marcus   September 5th, 2008 6:28 pm ET

Ok first I have heard it all.. at a mccain rally in michaga there is an 8 year old white girl singing in front of a Mccain crowd, and she is singing the theme to the jeffersons. Then Palin mentions that because John Mccain voted for a troop surge U.S Civilian lives have been saved. Can you say Fear Mongering, not only that, they are the big fat cats. The Republicans have controlled the white house for 8 years and the house of senate for 6. She lobbied for earmarks, then asked for money for the bridge for nowhere, rejected the bridge but kept the money. We as Americans have seen this way to many times. The Republicans never mentions the protesters who have stood up to protect our rights. What is this chant of "Drill Baby Drill", my friends, Palin is not Hillary. We need to change and "Drill Baby Drill" is not the change we need.

CarlGW   September 5th, 2008 6:29 pm ET

Unfortunately for you, Sansu from Oakland, we saw some of the citizens of Wasilla on TV. They were mostly intelligent, neatly dressed, articulate, college-educated suburbanites–not anything like this woman, Jackie, describes . . . Jackie apparently doesn't know that the police officer in question tasered his 11-year-old child. Yeah, if I'm that boy's uncle or friend, I'm getting that officer off the force any way I can, and I would think your "Jackie" would be somewhat concerned about the boy's health, as well. That is . . . if this "Jackie" were more than a figment of your imagination who just happens to have the habit of summarizing the week's DNC talking points in her personal correspondence.

For the record–I voted for Hillary in the primary. I am now going to change my vote to McCain/Palin after reading the "Sansu from Oakland" post. Hillary was a moderate, not an extreme liberal like Obama. McCain is also a moderate. We need a centrist to bring us together through these tough times. We don't need libelous dividers like "Sansu from Oakland" who are just out to stir up trouble.

Jon Prichard   September 5th, 2008 6:30 pm ET

Jackie S –

You're right, your post is turgidly long and overly emotional, its also chock full of things we already know about the Governor. But one point stands out to me that must be put in SOME kind of perspective.

You wrote –
Sarah Palin is currently involved in a political corruption scandal. She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn’t like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce.

For goodness sakes, the guy, a cop, tazered his own son, a 10 year old! He openly drank in his squad car while on duty. He threatened to shoot several members of the Palin family, he brandished his weapon in public for personal reasons. And you want to claim his 'record' as an officer wasn't taken into consideration?

Well boo hoo. If Palin hadn't pushed to get the bad cop fired you'd probably be the first to complain that she wasn't serving the people by letting the guy get a pass because of cronyism.

Shirley J. Boone   September 5th, 2008 6:30 pm ET

If mccain thinks that picking Palin for his running mate will get H. Clintons voters – think again. It would be an insult to H. Clintons 18 million voters. We are not that stupid.

Jezebel   September 5th, 2008 6:31 pm ET

That email is offensive. Calling people pejorative names like red neck? Denegrating people due to their educational level? Making fun of native people who have lost their teeth?

BTW, predator thinning has been going on a long time in Alaska and has nothing to do with Palin.

People do realize Palin has an 83% approval rating in Alaska, right?

Lily   September 5th, 2008 6:31 pm ET

Who is Jackie S.? She doesn't say who she is really. Why do you give this credibility? Only because you like what is says.

Publius   September 5th, 2008 6:32 pm ET

[heh] For a moment I thought Sansu was engaging in sarcasm, or a little bit of agent provocateur. Alas, I think it's dead serious.

Ack! can you imagine? Her husband hunts! AND drives a snowmobile! That's almost like being a NASCAR fan!

Red Alert! We must keep Mrs. Smith from going to Washington!

Can you imagine the scandal if she were to use the wrong fork at a diplomatic dinner?

The horror!

Chris of Rights   September 5th, 2008 6:34 pm ET

Thanks, Jackie! That was hilarious!

Has to be the most out-of-touch elitist screed I have ever seen, and only reinforces my great opinion of Sarah Palin. Thank you for sharing it, and I hope you found it as funny as I did.

Marty   September 5th, 2008 6:35 pm ET

Will the real Hillary please stand up?

This just goes to show what a class act Hillary is and what a great campaign Obama is running. I bet you anything she turned down the VP slot and requested a cabinet position. Hopefully he will get elected and we will find out.

The other option really scares me, so I guess their fear tactics are kind of backfiring on them in a weird way. Oh, I am a woman, a veteran, a mother of 4 and an independent voter that normally leans right. You dems have my vote this year.

Chris of Rights   September 5th, 2008 6:35 pm ET

Oh, the original e-mail was from Jackie...the message I was replying to was from Sansu. Sorry about that. Still doesn't change the hilarity of that post. Funniest thing I've seen all day.

Davelle   September 5th, 2008 6:38 pm ET

I see no problem with Barack asking of Hillary's services. Mccain did it when he picked Palin. He picked a Hillary counterfeit! On the surface, both woman, but when you really examine it she's no Hillary at all. What's worse is this is sexism at its best. Was she picked on her accomplishments first ? No! She was pick first because she's a woman! Isn't this like affirmative action? I want my resume to speak for me, not my race or gender. How do women want to viewed? Brains first, Looks second, or the other way around?

Tom G   September 5th, 2008 6:39 pm ET

Interesting to learn that the related viruses of progressivism and insufferable snobbery flourish even in Alaska. However, given Sarah Palin's sky-high approval ratings in her home state, I suspect Jackie S. is expressing the views of a rather trivial minority.

Helen   September 5th, 2008 6:39 pm ET

Sanau from Oakland:

A person with such high pedigree as being friends with a physician – a graduate of Bryn Mawr, no less (I am impressed!) – surely could spot a spam email a mile away. Talk about a failed education system.

And, "Jackie S," it must be such a burden, being a Bryn Mawr (wow!) graduate enduring life in the redneck hellhole of Alaska.

WA   September 5th, 2008 6:39 pm ET

1) Hillary was planning to campaign for Obama before Palin was ever chosen for VP!
2) The Hillary Supporters who would cross over to the Republican side because she wasn't chosen for Obama's VP were never Hillary Supporters in the first place. The change from Republican War Mongering, Oil Drilling, China IOU' Debtors, Trillion Dollar Spenders, Zero Social Policy Makers, Economic Bafoons, Education Programs that leave all our children behind with the I'm the Decider biggest Goof Ball of them all Chief Executive, is stretching way too far for any true Democrat!
3) If Palin had of kept her Pit Bull lips persed she wouldn't have to worry about Hillary knocking her out of the park!

And let's be honest, Palin doesn't stand a chance against Hillary and Biden. It takes years of real diplomatic, political experience to win in the ring with these two Champions! She better find some more Hockey Moms to join her cause before she tries giving Joe and Hillary the gears as Hunting Rifles aren't allowed in Political Arenas! Teleprompters won't work with Biden and Hillary it'll be off the cuff in your face dude with these seasoned Political Masters! HAHAHA

Elaine R Marietta GA   September 5th, 2008 6:40 pm ET

Sansu from Oakland and Jackie S. I don't understand why anyone would think it is terrible and horrid to be a "redneck" or be from a small town. It is all to clear that the author is an individual with total disregard or respect for the hard working blue collar individuals who work long and hard hours to bring home an income all over this great land. God Bless John McCain and Sarah Palin, two americans who do not fear hard work and are not full of self, as is Barack Obama and the author.

Janice   September 5th, 2008 6:40 pm ET

I feel the Democratic ticket could win if Obama assures us that HRC will be part of his cabinet. Having Governor Clinton involved in White House decisions in any manner would be a victory for us all.

chris   September 5th, 2008 6:40 pm ET

I loved this part:

Sarah Palin is currently involved in a political corruption scandal. She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn’t like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce. The man’s performance and ability weren’t considered

HA! This cop was disciplined by his department for unethical and illegal action. He got a 5 day suspension, which is little more than a slap on the wrist. bad cops need to be fired, not coddled.

darrell   September 5th, 2008 6:41 pm ET

Bryn Mawr? They know lots about wildlife management there? That the stupid degree she got? Just like the libs say no to thinning of forests which would have prevented huge forest fires, they don't understand wildlife management. And anything you say about Palin's lack of experience reflects the same or worse on Obama. Community organizer? really? He didn't know that Russia had veto on Security Council, or maybe just forgot?

Bert   September 5th, 2008 6:42 pm ET

I don't know. I kind of like her (Palin). Guess that makes me a Redneck lover. Is that as bad as being a Redneck?

Sergio Gomez   September 5th, 2008 6:43 pm ET

To Sansu and her ignorant friends:
First, Alaska does NOT have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country. It doesn't have the highest, but certainly not the lowest, and certainly not as low as those education paradises like Baltimore, DC or Los Angeles (All run by Democrats and their teacher union bosses).
Second, most people don't live in big cities. In fact, you are in the minority, you small-minded snob.
Third, just because Obama has a "foreign-sounding" name does not mean that he knows anything about foreign policy, military affairs, economics, or any of those other topics you mention. Offering to meet unconditionally with ruthless dictators and tyrants is not a foreign policy. Using other people's money for government programs is NOT an economic policy. Installing a socialistic health care system in the U.S. does not provide health care for all, just lower quality health care for everyone.
Finish eating whatever vegetarian meal you're having, eat a piece of meat –it's rich in protein, so it'll grow your brain–and then try to have an intelligent conversation.

Lisa M   September 5th, 2008 6:44 pm ET

How degrading that rather than focus on such a historical moment in political history, CNN and other media sensationalize and exaggerate these two women politicians by referring to them as girls and edging them on like they are in a cat fight.

Guess we women still have much further to go than to be taken seriously.

Lisa

Nicole in Alabama   September 5th, 2008 6:44 pm ET

I love how the GOP and all thier supporters like Ms. Holmes love to say that Obama somehow "disrespected" woman by not picking Hillary as his VP.

Obama picked his VP that he believed (1) would be ready to be President if something happened to him (2) someone that would challenge him instead of telling him what he wants to hear and (3) someone that he could work with daily to get things done in Washington and I think Obama got it right by picking Biden. Once again demostrating his great judgement.

As a woman I am offended by McCain VP pick. Anybody with common sense knows that the only reason why he picked Palin was to attract upset Hillary supporters. You can try and pass her off as the greatest thing since slice bread but @ the end of the day this is just another lame attempt by the GOP to win an election by any means necessary. How is this putting the "country first". Do you really believe that if something happened to McCain she would be ready to take office on the next day. McCain campaign must not think so because she can't even speak to the media until that finish brainwashing her. This a joke!

Gary Chandler in Canada   September 5th, 2008 7:13 pm ET

Why can't you reporters pretend you are flies on the walls of GOP strategy sessions. They TURN things around.
1. Plain is insulated from media and they can NOT afford for her to do interviews, except Hannity who won't ask about her family's Alaskan Separatist roots.
2. THEY get you to run a story that Oprah won't have her on!!!!!!????
You SLURPED it up!!!!!!!
3. He lug nuts Unpatriotic kool aide drinkers claim Palin should get the same coverage in the media as Obama. They are so bright eyed, they have forgotten McCain is there #1. Was Biden ever on Oprah Winfrey????
What IF the Bidens had ever been members of a Separatist Political Party. It would not be hidden in BLOGosphere, FOX and CNN would be BLASTING the news!!!!!!!

Betty Ann, Nacogdoches,TX   September 5th, 2008 7:18 pm ET

As a former Hillary supporter I would NEVER consider voting for Palin.
First and formost, I don't trust anyone, who is so thrilled with killing that they want to do it from a helicopter. Killing defenseless animals for FUN is unacceptable for anyone much less a VP. Having respect for what God has created and encouraging good stewardship of this planet we are in charge of is very important to me as a voter and I would pray that other voters would agree.
I would hope that a woman would bring PEACE.
Palin is a fraud in my opinion and a scary choice.
No Thanks McCain.

JZAZ   September 5th, 2008 7:25 pm ET

Janice...
GOVERNOR CLINTON??
Are you passing up HRC and wanting WJC back in the Oval Office??

I think you really mean... you want GOVERNOR PALIN in the White House...

McCain/Palin '08!

Erica, Jersey   September 5th, 2008 7:27 pm ET

Palin is no Hillary. If any of you were watching the Republican Convention youmay have noticed that there wasvery little representatin of many ethnic groups. America is not only inhabited by white republicans. If you were watching the Democratic Convention you would have notice a repersentation of the real America. If Hillary gets involved Palin is in trouble.

MidwestVicki   September 5th, 2008 7:30 pm ET

Anyone that admires Palin's behavior are obviously would never miss a match of the WWF. I hope you can support this cheerleader as you continue to pay your light bill, your grocery bill and fill up your tanks.

Close Watcher   September 5th, 2008 7:32 pm ET

9/5/08

When will Sarah Palin discuss the issues? She is on the campaign trail today repeating almost line for line the same things she said at her acceptance speech.
But when will she submit to a press interview? When will she answer questions on health care, housing foreclosures and foreign policy? We need to see her answer questions without the protective shell of McCain staff members. She needs to submit to press interviews today.

Julie San Diego, CA   September 5th, 2008 7:34 pm ET

"moose hunting hockey mom"

First of all, moose are no big deal. They've got extremely poor eyesight. You can stand right in front of them and they peer down at you and squint.

If you can't shoot a moose, you're a lousy shot. They're big, they're slow, and they stare and squint a lot. You certainly don't need an AK-47 for the job.

They used to wander into our backyard when I was a kid. You just wave your arms and yell a little. They look at you kind of confused and then they leave.

As for the "hockey mom" thing, Sarah Palin has one boy who has been out of school for awhile. She's got 3 girls, and then a male baby. I'm betting it's been awhile since she's been a "hockey mom". Taping a hockey stick for your kid is no big deal anyway.

I grew up in the sticks too. I really don't think it's a selling point to describe oneself as "Ellie Mae Clampit".

Quick Jethro, get the gun, dinner's getting away....

dan   September 5th, 2008 7:34 pm ET

Heart complains about "Barracuda" use? The washed out has beens should be happy someone played it.

Presley   September 5th, 2008 7:34 pm ET

For crying out loud, Hillary DID NOT WANT TO BE VP! It's all or nothing for her. As for her supporting Obama, DUH! How would she look if she didn't? Besides, McCain's ex-opponents for the nomination are SUPPORTING HIM!!! What's the problem? Can't turn out the gender cards fast enough to play them against Obama but in favor of McCain? Oh I guess my liberal elitist east self isn't supposed to notice that, huh? I guess I missed Hillary's rock star speech at the DNC. Must have been a dream or something....

Cheryl-Chi-Town   September 5th, 2008 7:45 pm ET

Frankly,......I'm tried already of the distractions from the real issues that affect the economy not being discussed.......I don't care if she is apart of the Trailer Court mom's for McCain .......where does she stand on unemployment, taxes, health care, and needless to say the war.......she gave an 1/2 hour speech on her resume and her accomplishments for Alaska........the defeat of the good old boys club.......but what is her world vision.......how does she sees the US in such changing economic times as these...........how does she plan to assist McCain in pushing back the oil rich barrens such as.......VP Chaney ( who by the way has been an absentee to any of the Republican events)........and I wonder if she had not had a special needs child would this ever had been an issue for her to speak on..... NO

Joni   September 5th, 2008 7:46 pm ET

Obama's polls are going down. Who does he call Hillary.
When the phone rings in the White House at 3:00a.m.
will the call be forwarded to Hillary?

Don, WA   September 5th, 2008 7:51 pm ET

Remember that TV series "Northern Exposure" – maybe this e-mail posted by Sansu is from a disgruntled physician plopped into Alaska to pay-off her student loans – kinda like the Dr. Flieschman character on that TV series.

heather   September 5th, 2008 7:56 pm ET

That "Bryn Mawr classmate" letter must be a fake. Anyone who has known, seen, lived around the type of people she is describing knows that "red neck" is really one word REDNECK!

Duh. Rednecks aren't that stupid.

shelley mierkalns   September 5th, 2008 7:57 pm ET

Let's get this straight. Spotlight loving Obama didn't want Hillary as VP because she is smarter and more down to earth than he is. He figured his "superstar status" was enough to propel him straight to the Whitehouse. Now that he realizes Hollywood is for the superstars, and Americans are looking for a real, not manufactured candidate, he wants Hillary? I guess the Republicans were right when they said Biden should get the VP thing in writing.

Dobby   September 5th, 2008 7:59 pm ET

Obama picking Biden over Hillary for his VP will go down in history as the stupidest campaign strategy blunder ever. Hillary got more votes than Obama during the primaries. They could have had a "dream" ticket. But Hillary wasn't even vetted. Picking Biden over Hillary makes no sense at all. It shows terrible judgment or arrogance from Obama. I don't see why Hillary should go all out for Obama now. She's better off having him lose now so she can run in 2012.

Michele   September 5th, 2008 8:03 pm ET

I am personally offended that the McCain campaign thinks that women who supported HRC will now "fall in line" and support some unknown, brash, slanderous female that is only doomed to step in it as deep as her hip-waders will go!

My advice to McCain if he is elected...stay out of the sun or God help us all!!

Connie   September 5th, 2008 8:04 pm ET

This is evidence that Obama is worried. He is so arrogant though, he will not even admit when he is wrong (like the surge). Well, I don't think Hillary should ablige him. She probably wants McCain/Palin to win anyways, so she can run in 4 years.
I strongly believe McCain/Palin is the ticket, it's just too bad all the media only shows the left side.

Catherine B   September 5th, 2008 8:05 pm ET

All this energy wasted on BS. Neither candidate cares about the issues most americans care about. It is time for people to vote for a 3rd candidtae. It is time for a revolution to get some real people and not just BIG CORPORATE PUPPETS as real viable candidates. Make history and vote GREEN.

Sue   September 5th, 2008 8:05 pm ET

Marcus,

Republicans controlled the senate for 5 months in 2001, when Bernie Sanders (VT) switched to Independent and caucused with the Democrats. From June 2001 until January 2003, Democrats controlled the Senate. Since January 2007, Democrats have held the Senate. Republicans had the Senate for a little over 4 years of Bush's presidency. When Bush leaves office, the time the Senate was held by both parties will have been evenly split.

Elaine wilson   September 5th, 2008 8:09 pm ET

When is Obama going to realize that he should have picked Hillary Clinton. ? I so wish–We could have been united! Now I must consider Palin.

eleanora jones   September 5th, 2008 9:19 pm ET

Do the women of this great country appear to be easily manipulated by a scheme such as this one? We see what McCain is trying to do here and the women I know say No Way McCain! We do not want an inexperienced unknown to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. We know this is Karl rove's last gasp and we also know you were forced to go along.

We see just how uncomfortable you are standing next to Sarah Palin, picking at your fingernails. Knowing how pit bulls are, you had better be real careful that she doesn't get rid of you so she can be top dog.

Sorry to say, John, you and Karl's scheme will not work. We, the American women are just too smart for you both!

EJ

glennmcgahee   September 7th, 2008 12:39 pm ET

Its incredible that people are so obsessed with Palin's history when they hardly know anything about it. When were these issues brought up regarding Obama's sleazy politics in Chicago.He shouldn't be the nominee at all. The DNC fixed this election and ignored the true Democrats who voted for Clinton in overwhelmiing numbers.Obama won Caucus states with a few thousand participants that gamed the system. In November, we Democrats get to really vote, 1 person/1vote, they won't be able to game that. So many of us Democrats are so disgusted by the treatment of the Clintons by the DNC, we've decided to give the Republicans another look. Don't blame us that the slash and burn tactics used by Obama and the DNC has backfired on them.

Fran   September 7th, 2008 12:59 pm ET

Why this double standard? Why does the media ask different questions of Sarah Palin just because she is a woman? I couldn't believe my ears when I heard on CNN that she had been asked to take a test to see if the baby is hers? Were the 3 mail candidates asked to take a parental test? Give the women a break!! Are we held to different standards only because we are female? The fathers are parents just as we women are. Why the big deal about her daughter being pregnant? Wasn't Obama born to a single mother?

Luther   September 7th, 2008 1:03 pm ET

We know Sarah Palin won't get the Hillary votes. Sarah stands for the opposite of everything Hillary stands for. Sarah is a conservative, strong figure. There are many Americans who agree with Sarah Palin's views that would never have voted for Hillary. Is she qualified to be VP? If Obama and Hillary are qualified to be President, I don't see how she's not qualified to be VP. Hillary was not the President-what executive experience does she have? Oh, it doesn't matter, because she's not the candidate. Instead, it's a young man, who because of the media, has been absolved of his involvement with questionable characters. Do we really believe he went to church (for 20 years)under Wright and never heard the racist, anti-american talk from him? He doesn't sound sincere when he comes up with answers asked by the media, because it's not what he believes. He is very liberal, and for political gain, has to temper that to a more moderate opinion. I was not very excited about John McCain being selected, but voting for Hillary or Obama was still not an option. I am now excited about the Republican ticket. I believe he couldn't have selected a better running mate for this campaign.
I also have to say, over the past 8 years, George Bush has been blamed not only for his Executive decisions, but also for every bad decision made by Congress. I don't agree with every choice he has made, but I know we don't have a dictatorship, and everything that comes from Washington, doesn't necessarily come from the President. I also realize that the Congress (with a Democratic majority over the past 2 years), have been very partisan with it's decisions. And it's two members from that same Congress, that are on the Democratic ticket. McCain/Palin 2008!!

Rob   September 7th, 2008 1:07 pm ET

Why is it that most libs think that every republican plan is thought up by Rove and executed by brainwashed lemming followers?

The democrat talking points are repeated endlessly in the media, How do the conservatives then get their marching orders?

If the libs actually believe the dribble they post, they should be terrified of the conservatives ability to operate collectively and purposefully toward a common goal.

Or could it just be that conservatives use common sense to come up with a plan and the libs have to invent conspiracy theories to justify their hairbrained policies?

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