Palin was picked because no other Republican wanted to join the Titanic , the metaphor for McCain’s campaign. My real worry is if something happens to McCain

If John McCain thinks that by picking Sarah Palin as VP will cause Hillary Democrats to vote for him, he needs to think again. I am one of those Hillary Democrats that just decided to support Obama because of his VP pick. You can’t forget that McCain is 72 and Gov. Palin could very well end up being President. The picture of her shooting the automatic weapon really scares me!!

No way! No how!! No McCain

I find it interesting that as the “two oil men” are leaving Washington, we now have the a
Vice Presidential nominee from Alaska. Isn’t oil the biggest asset
Alaska has to offer?

Talking about Palin this reminds me of the “Lumberjack Song”

I’m a lumberjack and that’s ok,
I like to wear women’s dresses…

Just like the lumberjack’s girl realizing that there’s something wrong with her man I think Republicans are beginning to wonder about McCain.

Perhaps CNN could do some real investigative reporting. Instead of talking to all the surrogates from both parties, they should do as PBS did and actually interview legislators and news media from Alaska.

Tonight’s “round table” discussion of three such people was very interesting and revealing about McCain’s pick. All parties on CNN have been spinning with actually no real knowledge of this woman other than her resume.

It’s like I’m still waiting for a punch line….

Haven’t talked about it with anyone today yet (not American so it just hasn’t come up)… But I’ve been thinking about it all day since I’m a diehard politics fan. And I just don’t get it.

I mean, how can McCain possibly have credibility attacking Obama’s experience now when he’s willing to make Palin second-in-line to President…

It’s as if he’s just thrown away his best and likely most justified argument…

I don’t get it. Like I said, I’m waiting for a “ah-haaa… now I see” moment.

I am sorry if your trying to get Hillary supporters thinking that since you put a woman in the VP slot, they will come flocking! Well unfortunately Hillarys beliefs are much different, and quite frankly YOUR NO HILLARY, NOR WILL YOU EVER BE! HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE USED

I’ve been watching the coverage on CNN tonight.

Two things leap to mind:

1) Nobody can answer any of the serious questions.
2) Everyone is quick to play the sexism card and accuse people of dismissing her experience.

For example, Paul talks about McCains judgment, with respect to his age and the need to consider her as the best candidate for CIC in the event of his demise. The next thing you know he’s accused of being dismissive of Sarah.

Nobody will acknowledge that it is appropriate to consider the hand-off of power due to McCains age either.

It’s is painful to watch all the spin. I’m deathly afraid that people will once again swallow the spin and not think for themselves… that’s what happened during the last two elections.

Auuuuugh!

i would rather have Palin in office with some experience, God-Forbide, something should happen to McCain. Then to have no-experience Obama in office, if nothing happens to McCain. And I’m sorry Susan, but I am a HRC Supporter, and for that reason, I will be voting McCain\Palin. At least it looks like The Republicans, are ready for Women, to stand-up and take their rightful place in History.

As a woman, I am distressed and insulted to think anyone would think that women are so one deminstional that we would vote for a woman regardless of her policies. McCain and Palin support none of the issues that concern the majority of women. McCain has just proved that he has poor judgement. He certinaly has read the American woman wrong, wrong, wrong. For the first time in my life ,I will actively and passionatley work for the election of an American president - Barak Obama,

Apparently he only met her once before?… MILF Hunter??

Is Alaska better off since Palin took office 2 years ago?? Polar Bears and all…..

McCain’s age concerns me and now with a junior candidate for VP on the ballot I am definately crossing the line and voting democratic for Obama ticket. I was about 50/50 before the announcement but now 90% sure Obama’s my top pick now.

It scares me that a former mayor of a town of 9000 and now a junior Governor could be the number two person ok the republican ticket.

It’s great though that a woman is on the ticket but could we have had a pick competable to Hillary’s experience n dynamics???

Women supported Hillary not because she’s a woman, but because of who she is and what she stands for. It is insulting if McCain thinks women will now support him because he has a woman on the ticket. Seems to me that he sells both Hillary and women in general short. I think he made a week choice by choosing someone with little or no national security exposure when the country is at war.

As a woman I am insulted that McCain or McSame expects us to just ignore Hillary’s years of experience and overnight accept this inexperienced young woman from Alaska to be our potential Vice President. This is not a beauty pageant, this is the second highest office in the U.S.

Yes, she is beautiful and probably intelligent but she is so young and has no experience in foreign affairs or national government. Alaska is a beautiful state but it does not have the number of people and problems that the rest of the country has.

Yes, Obama is not as experienced as McCain is but he is not on deaths door as McCain is. He is 72 years old!!!! The chances of him lasting through his term is a lot less likely than Obama. Obama has a very experienced man that can stand in on day one if need be.

I am outraged at McSame and his surprise attack on our government. He did not put our country first he put his candidacy first. He wants to win no matter what.

No way, No How, No McSame.

I find her adorable and almost irresistable, but what on earth would a mother of 5 and married to a fisherman want to be vp for? Barack Obama is a professional, graduate from Harvard with a wife that is a professional lawyer. They have adorable children, have done community service, are savvy internationally and well traveled, what more can we expect. Good try mccain, i thought your thrill seeking wife was cute too, but running our country takes more than that…

As a Democrat, I am thrilled he Picked Palin becuase it is almost a guarantee win in November for Obama/Biden. I am an upset Hillary supporter, but still this does not fill in for the senator. I highly doubt Sarah Palin will do anything to help McCain get to the White House, unless by white house you mean one made with Ice Blocks. Also, With the argument that she is the most popular Governer in America is complete BOGUS. So she the governer that is most approved by their state. THAT SAYS NOTHING.

OBAMA ‘08

To CNN: Is it not clear to anyone with common sense that McCain chose ms. Palin to try to pick up Hillary’s women voters??????. No further discussion is needed (sic)!!!!!!!!

You only get experiance by doing the Job. How much experiance did you have when you first became a jornalist? not much i’ll wager. as I recall a certain “Governor” had little experiance as President either. At least this one is willing to fight corruption in Her State. - The Certain Governor gave us Lewinsky Gate.

When I first heard about this, I thought it was a brilliant strategic move on McCain’s part, because I knew nothing about her…. but when I saw her talk on CNN tonight, I was appalled. THIS FLAKE is the person who could very possibly become President if the elderly McCain suddenly dies!??!? I am TERRIFIED. Don’t even talk about the fact that she has a 4-month old Downs Syndrome baby at home… why is she even Governor? Does this woman have any sense of responsibility AT ALL?

When I first heard of this pick this morning I thought I was really going to have a tough decision to make. After doing some research, listening to PBS, as well as other news channels - including CNN - I have decided to vote for Obama & Biden.

Thank you John McCain you just made my decision easy, there is no way on God’s green earth this person is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the office of president of our country!!

I have been amazed by McCain’s choice all day long, but the more I think about it the more bizarre it seems. I guess the Republicans figure that after 2000 AND 2004 they can put ANYTHING over on us - the imbecilic voting masses. Watching the coverage on CNN all evening I just keep waiting for one of the Republican pundits to burst out laughing in the middle of one of their lame arguments as to why and how Palin is qualified for this position. I have to give due credit, though, that none have yet slipped up - although their defense of the pick is frequently so over the top as to be unbelievable. Are they trying to convince a rightly skeptical public or themselves. As a Vietnam vet, perhaps McCain is simply following some sound military reasoning from that period and came to the conclusion that it was necessary for him to destroy the party in order to save it.

OOPS! McCain did not pick Palin because she has the best credentials or (experience?). He picked her because he is afraid of losing, and that is something he does not like doing. Remember!!! he is a soldier and trained to win the battle.

Thanks John McCain for giving Obama the win in 2008. Now that’s how to be a maverick!!

My real worry is if something happens to McCain

Ya mean if he happens to win the GE? Obama’s had this wrapped up for months, if not since he enteed the senate.
Wow! What if something happens to Obama; Joe didn’t do well in the primary.

I am also a Hillary supporter. This McCain pick is insulting!!! OMG! Vote Obama! With if this chic becomes Pres. if McCain doesn’t make it? (sorry for the morbid thought)I can’t even imagine…..Please God! Let Obama win!!!

This is the biggest political blunder in the history of this country! lol lol lol are you kidding me? a soccer mom that he met one time is good to go according to McCain. This election is over!!!!!!!

Hi Anderson, Let me tell you, that, I am glad I heard that Mr Gergen just mentioned the right thing. It’s an Insult to the Women, for her to say that, What is wrong with Mr. Alex. She was there for 2 years for the State of Alaska. What is the population of Alaska anyway. I can run a business. SHE IS NO, “HILLARY CLINTON”. I am sure that Senator Clinton will have something to say at that. Alex is so full of himself. We will see what happens.

I am petrified too.

How democratic party talk about former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience when they have community organizer top of the ticket

Plain approval rate as a governor 80%
9 % approval rate for congress

Obama long time experience is 20 years with Jeremiah Wright

Life long democrat and Hillary strong supporter will vote for Mc Cain
Hillary 2012 /Mc Cain/Palin2008

I’m an Alaskan. I know Palin. She is a winner. Strategically, McCain could not have made a better choice. When America gets to know her, they will wonder why she is not at the top of the ticket…someday…in the mean time, I hope she pushes for as many VP debates as possible - she steals the show in that venue. This will change the race as much as Clinton’s focus on the economy vs Bush 1. She is the best representative women could have. This is not a political hail mary, but a shrewd and wise choice for VP. It fundamentally changes the nature of this race, and makes the Obama/Biden call for ‘change’ look superficial and weak. Palin is the real deal and is not being taken advantage of, McCain is lucky to have her…that’s why Obama said, “the race is about McCain” in response today…hmmm…I think Obama is about to get Obama’ed…by a very capable woman.

I find it somewhat odd that McCain is ridiculed for picking an “inexperienced” running mate while the democrats have nominated one with less experience. Could it be that those who do not like this choice are sexist? Just like those who do not like Obama are supposedly racist as he has suggested.

McCain is 72 years old and has had multiple bouts with cancer. If something happens to him, it will leave Sarah Palin and Nancy Pelosi in charge. I hope the Republicans have really thought this through.

I think it is clear that McCain doesn’t get it when he picks a pro-life, pro-gun governor of a state with a population smaller than New Jersey with no experience. What was he thinking?

She looks to good to be President… i mean vice president.

McCain has finally shown his true age by selecting someone with absolutely no experience at least Obama has some experience under his belt. What was he thinking?

McCain’s selection of an inexperienced woman, whom he barely knows, with (I can only presume) the expectation that he will acquire women’s votes is disturbing to me. It is apparent to me that he STILL views women in much the same way that he did in his 20s - objects without the ability to make EDUCATED decisions. Please give women voters the credit they deserve. Hillary’s following is/was made up of competent, informed voters who were looking for someone with experience to lead this country. Selecting someone as a “replacement” for her who is SO inexperienced is an insult to both Hillary and her following.

I am a loyal Obama supporter and all I can say is, thank you Sen. McCain for making this decision even easier for the American people. We now know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that your inability to think things through, act hastily, and your assumption that the people of this country are so stupid as to follow blindly behind you will lead this country down the road to “the gates of Hell.” That isn’t being a Maverick, it is just being reckless

With = What if! Sorry, the emotion got to me. I am never more certain now to vote for Obama. The Obama speech didn’t do it. THE MCCAIN PICK DID!!!

This is the choice of one man not of the people. If this is showing his good judgement,look out,we are in trouble. He has had a pattern of being a rebel and this recklessness is about to cost him. His arguments against Obama not being qualified now seem empty.

McCain must think women are the dumbest people on earth!!! How dare he pick a women on the ticket just because she shares the same body parts as us. Democrat Women are smarter than McCain and his party. This is a sad day for Palin and McCain, Obama put it perfect last night”McCain just doesn’t get it”

Palin has 5 children and one is special needs the youngest which is 4 months old, she really needs to be at home caring for her children instead she thinks she is ready for the White House. Sorry as a mother of small children I know exactly where I need to be at home, and so does Palin!!!!!!

Certainly not the best choice for VP! Would no one else take it?

Papa and daughter form a great pair

what does it say about McCain’s judgement when he picks someone after meeting them onetime? Also, he just lost his best arguement against Obama, experience. I think its hillarious that even Orielly agrees that he just blew it.

What a bad choice for VP!! As a strong democrat, this is scary especially her picture with the automatic rifle. If this is supposed to sway Clinton voters, then that is an insult to every democrat.

The selection of Gov Sarah Palin is a very sad and opportunistic tactic. There are so many more qualified and seasoned Republicans politicians. If I were one of them, I’d question why my years of service were overlooked for such a strange selection. If this were a corporation, I could imagine how top performing employees would be outraged at being passed up for the #2 slot.

This is obviously a token selection and many minorities will relate in disgust to being selected solely based on race. If I were a woman, I’d be offended that McCain is pandering in an attempt to win votes. Women will not vote for a woman simply because she’s a woman. Women are smarter than that.

This selection is really sad and simply reinforces that John McCain just doesn’t get it and will do anything to win. In his defense, it may be senility setting in.

McSame has turned this election into a gimmick and a joke….just to get the news cycle today and next week. America deserves better. HRC was a serious candidate!!! This demeans the hard work that HRC put into her campaign for the last 20 months. Women do not want a fake, wannabe candidate to make-up for HRC.

How come no one is talking about her having an infant with Down Syndrome?????? I think she is going to lose a lot of women’s support abandoning a special needs child to turn her attention to a more intense political career.

I am shocked. I agree with Gergen.

This is definitely affirmative action in action. NOT because she is a woman, but because so many women with actual experience with foreign policy and domestic politics were passed over. Kay Bailey Hutchison, Condaleeza Rice, Elizabeth Dole…. I cannot believe this is for real.

What if something happens to McCain? Will she know how to be VP?

“I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the V.P. does every day?” -Sarah Palin

Note: I have no problem with strong women - I am married to one who has higher professional aspirations than me, and makes more. I also previously supported McCain, and have donated to him before, but I am astonished. I can’t vote in a way that puts our nation at risk like that.

McCain–totally irresponsible choice for VP. He’s got one oar in the water and one foot in the grave. As a democrat I couldn’t have hoped for a worse choice on his part–right down to insulting the Hillary supporters.

OMG I just heard that Palin was asked about the war in Iraq and she said she had not thought much about it. McCain’s lack of judgement on his first real decision is worse that any amount or “lack” of experience from any of the candidates.

This is a woman who has a 4 month old child that has Downs Syndrome, and I do pray for that child. What if something happens to that child, what will she do then? Also, at only 4 months old will she be taking the baby with her on the campaign tral and nurse between speeches??

I believe McCain’s pick was absolutely ridiculous. He is 72 yrs old and not the healthiest man. For him to put the COUNTRY at risk after an interview with her ONE time, is irresponsible. That speaks about his jugdement. He makes a decision without thinking about the repercussions. Barak has had 16 months to prove himself and he has. There is no way to connect with her in 60 days. I would hope that women will see that this is a ploy and men will see that he is just in it to win it. He is completely concerned about himself. What about the People?

Anderson,
Please ask your panel what constitutes foreign policy experience?
Thank you, Kathy

What is going to happen to poor little Trig Palin when his mommy goes on the campaign trail and potentially the White House? I think either her special needs child is going to suffer, or the job of being Vice President is going to suffer. If she chooses to do her job over taking care of her child, Americans will take her to task. If she chooses her child over the job, then she will be criticized in political circles. I don’t know that she can win in that situation.

BTW, this is NOT an issue of her being a woman vs. being a man with a four month old special needs child. I would say the exact same thing if she were a man in this situation. That child will need both parents’ support and time.

Democratic party is panic party

Only Clintons can deal with republican

Life long democrat and Hillary strong supporter will vote for Mc Cain
Hillary 2012 /Mc Cain/Palin2008

I’m sure Governor Palin, in time, has the capacity to be a strong leader. As a democrat, I was impressed with her speech today. BUT — to compare her inexperience with Obama’s, as the Republicans have done today is a pathetic argument. American’s have seen Obama work for 18 months, taking on and beating the perceived unbeatable Hilary Clinton. He has shown great judgement in the men and women surrounding him, and tremendous character. We have an idea what kind of decisions he will make by decisions HE HAS MADE. Senator McCain took a shot. It was just in the wrong direction.

Did anyone elce see Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden congradulateing Gov. Palin? Poor old Biden was so sad, he was so down in the mouth, His eyes had a little tear.
Rocko must have told him that if he would have picked Hilery he might have had a chance so may be its his (Old Joe) time to take one for the team……. Call out Hillbilly Mob, or may be the Chicago Daily Boys.
Watch out Old Joe you have become in the way.

McCain could have named Barbie as his VP choice and the usual cast of professional Republican spinmeisters with their pasted on smiles would have insisted Barbie was a great choice and highly qualified.

Palin has a BA in journalism. Big deal!

As a woman voter, Palin doesn’t affect my choice for president one bit. McCain must seriously think that by choosing her, he will get the women vote. Biden will tear her apart. NO one has even heard of Palin. McCain is desperate because he has a very low chance of winning. With all of middle, working class Americans who are struggling, we can’t afford to have another republican in the white house. This is an underhanded, irresponsible, shameful, desperate, and pathetic move on the part of the GOP. Do they think all of America is stupid? This is not a cat and mouse game or a game of chess! This is real life. Real life for many struggling Americans who want a different America. The Republican way has not worked for the past 8 years. People are suffering. People can’t pay their rent, mortgages, buy food, or put gas in their cars. Wake up people! McCain was at his ropes end. What is the next trick he will pull out of his hat? He picked a woman because she will help him win. Obama picked Biden because he will help him lead. It’s not about winning; it’s about change, leadership, a new nation. I am seeing comments that read, “Way to go McCain, now you will get the Hillary Voters—Smart move.” No, dumb move, despicable move. How dare you! Hillary Voters, Women, Feminists, if you are smart; you will tell McCain and the GOP where to shove it. If you are a TRUE HILLARY SUPPORTER, YOU WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA! That is what Hillary wants! That is what she said. As far as I am concerned, McCain has exploited and degraded WOMEN in the worst way. Putting Palin up there like a prize horse to seal the deal. He is using her and she fell for it. STUPID! She is being put on display. EYE CANDY to seal the deal! She should be ashamed of herself. I am ashamed for her. I am offended that he would pick her. If you’re going to pick a woman, she would have to exceed Hillary Clinton, and quite frankly, Palin is nowhere near Hillary. DON’T FALL FOR IT PEOPLE! Obama-Biden 08!

OMG,mcain just handed us Obama as president on a silver platter,……………………………… thanks

This is great news for the dems. McCain has suffered from one of the most lethal cancers. Melanoma is almost deadly. It often goes into remission many times before it takes over the body. The idea that this woman could be our president is very frightening.

CNN needs to educate themselves. MSNBC had a tape of Sarah supporting the bridge to nowhere before she decided not to after public opinion grew negative. They need to do more research.

Her major weakness I perceive from the comments is that she is a woman.

McCain’s choice for VP is a SLAP in any women face. It is appalling for him to think that women will vote for him just because he has chosen a female VP. Gov. Sarah Palin is no Senator Hillary Clinton. It is an insult to Hillary also. She has earned her right to run for the highest office in the free land. However, this lady has not the experience McCain has been harping on since the beginning of this RACE. What a Hypocrite. A BLIND MAN CAN SEE WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO..

This is a disappointment.

We will see what happens. If America keeps going for this, and with Paul comments, I just think that the Republican parties commentators, are so clonned, to send Americans into Ignorance, it’s incredible. Please make sure that Americans hear the truth about this Unknown Woman. That already has an unsolved Investigation. You heard it here first, blogged out, or not. IT WILL BACK-FIRE ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND YOU ALL WE SEE. To choose someone just because she’s a Woman, to counter Hillary Clinton, it still baffles me about John “Ponderosa Mavrick” McCain. The Cowboy Days are Over. GET WITH IT. AMERICA CAN NOT STAND ALONE IN THIS WORLD. We are a Minor Part of the World, the sooner we realize it, the better. WE NEED THE REST OF THE WORLD, AND SENATOR MCCAIN IS NOT THE MEND.

Still waiting to hear what Obama worked at when his campaign proudly boasts that he worked his way thru college and university; all they say is that one summer he worked as a construction worker, but they don’t say for who; and that he was a summer intern for a largge Chicago law firm, they don’t say who for that job either.

What a ridiculous choice. It insults my intelligence. Sure, she’s probably a nice person but President of the United States? And please don’t tell me Barack “doesn’t have experience”…he just built the finest political machine in history and fought tooth and nail for this nomination. McCain at 72 picks a woman with an embarrassing lack of experience where she will be a heartbeat away from the presidency if he is elected. No Way, No How, No McCain.

Dear Mr. Mc Cain,

I was certainly inspired by your choice for Vice President today. It proves that everyone has a chance to achieve a place in American history. With this unbelievable choice today I would like to volunteer my services as Secretary of the Treasury.

My qualifications are as follows;

I was elected to three consecutive terms as treasurer of the Rosedale Home Owners Association

Obviously you and your administration will be comfortable with staff appointments with limited resumes.
Please give me a call I think I can come up with a plan to balance the checking account

Anderson,

It is sad to watch giving a speech this morning. The crowd had to applause long enough after McCain finished one sentence to give McCain enough time to read the script for next sentence.

It is an age issue, memory issue or McCain is simply lazy.

To pick a woman who McCain met once in his entire life - this is terrible irresponsible judgment on his part and only. This is worst than arranged marriage while divorce is an option, but to put America in such risk and stuck with a 44 years old woman who no one heard of in my state is just stupid.

I heard about the running mate from Alaska and I’m listening to everyone debate and here’s what I think about the whole “experience in foreign policy” topic.

Obama may be inexperienced, but he has Biden to help him with his weaker areas or the areas that people might be concerned with. Say in the tragic event that something happened to Obama, Biden is capable of handling foreign policy and other things too. With this team there seems to be more of a team or security with the pair.

McCain is experienced with foreign policy while his running mate is not. Therefore in the tragic event that something happened to McCain, she would have inexperience without the knowledge of how to handle foreign issues. That is not security and not a good team.

I’m more so in the middle. I felt like McCain made this move as a way of saying to the Clinton voters that a woman is capable of being vice president but I feel like this is going to backfire now because she isn’t qualified.

This has made my decision to go with Obama & Biden.

Explain to me how you can complain that one candidate has no experience then bring your VP on the scene who has even less. I take more time picking the schools and daycare that my children go to. I guess McCain could care less who he leaves in charge of this country.

Did she seriously compare herself to Senator Clinton? That takes guts, or no sense at all. . . . hmm. . . my guess is not a brain between the two.

Someone please, please talk about EDUCATION! She has a Bachelor’s Degree from the University of Idaho (a 3 tier school). McCain went to the Naval Academy, but was an admitted slacker. Why is there always a discussion of experience, but not education. . . . and a move to equate the intelligence of the candidates when there’s no comparison. Professor Obama is in session!

Ok Ok Everyone is saying this woman is such a great mother and the soccer mom. How scary is this we have 2 wars and she is more worried about getting the kids to a game. By the way, What a great mom to put your kids in this mix. SAD PICK McCain. I will change my vote just because the kids don’t need this.

If this VP pick is an example of the criteria John McCain uses when filling a vacancy then just what does this say for how he will fill the supreme court vacancies??

check your facts about Palin. She supported bridge to nowhere in 2006 also in interview with Time said that Hillary was a whiner. I am insulted and outraged that McCain would think women are so stupid.

Becky

If you croak, we as a country are screwed! How is this “country first?”

I think McCain made a really horrible mistake. The corruption scandal will backfire on her becaus everyone is thinking only about women. What about men? Men will not like the fact that her staff members, and her husband tried to get her ex brother in law fired. This was reported caught on tape. Do men want someone like this in power? Her husband will do inappropriate things in her name.

Hillary put 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling with a lot of hard work and dedication. Now, there is another woman that no one knows, on the verge of breaking that glass ceiling that Hillary put so many cracks in. Has anyone thought about how this might affect the ferocity with which Hillary (and Bill) campaigns for Barack? Imaging someone besides Hillary being THE ONE to end up breaking the glass ceiling for women. If anything, Hillary supporters should side even more with Barack if for no other reason than to preserve that right for Hillary to be the first woman President in the future. Hmmmmm

She counters the historic argument.
She too is historic.

Well, it’s finally here. America’s politics have become a reality show. Actually an Un reality show. What is McCain thinking??? This is the most ridiculous choice he could possibly have made. Senility does strange things to a man’s mind. Good Luck America, we have finally sunk to the bottom…

McCain’s VP pick is very degrading to women. Just because Palin is a woman doesn’t mean that women will vote for McCain.

mccain is the worst kind of politician, if he expects us to accept a nobody from alaska. he is pandering to the worst of human nature by picking a person so conservitive that he would not have even voted for tiven half a chance.

I think his choice shows that he has poor judgement! I’m very disappointed and insulted that he thinks he can pick any woman to take the place of Hillary! There is no compairson! Obama definitely has my vote! NO WAY, NO HOW, NO MCCAIN!!!!

In their 1st major Presidential decision the wisdom of each candidate becomes clear. Obama fills in his gap with the experience of Biden and McCain has the entire country questioning his judgement by creating a weakness he didn’t have with Palin. I was really leaning toward McCain before today, this was an irresponsible choice from a candidate whose entire campaign has touted “experience”

Maybe, After the DNC this week Mccain thought he would pick a name out of a hat

This new McCain impulse pick is ridiculous. Palin is not going to win hilary voters. No way, no how, no palin. She may be a hardworking women who has broken many glass ceilings but that does not mean that another women is going to vote for her just for those reasons. Barack has nailed it right on the head, they really just don’t get it!
This is going to get ugly.

As a woman I feel like Sara is an inspiration and a great role model to young girls, however I think McCain just fell off his old folks rocker when he chose a running mate with so little experience. I think it is very obviouse that he the only reason he chose her is because she is a women. If Sara honestly thinks anything else than maybe we should double check her intellegance because maybe even I am giving her too much credit as being an intelligent women. As a women myself I would have wanted to get there by merit not because I wear a skirt. Sara should have been offended that they offered it to her.

I am a democrate and voted for Hillary. I do not trust Obama. I am voting for McCain and am thrilled with his choice. Here comes the change I have been longing for.

IT IS THRILLING THAT JOHN MCCAIN IS
‘THE MAN’ AND NOT AFRAID A WOMAN WILL UPSTAGE HIM.

BARACK OBAMA WAS TOO CHICKEN AND A MALE CHAUVENIST PIG…….NOT TO PICK A FABULOUS WOMAN…….HILLARY……….AND HE WILL PAY FOR THAT MISTAKE!

She foils the regular 360 bloggers. She is not a Washington insider. That argument won’t wash.

This is a very scary pick. If anything should happen to president Mcain. She will be thrust into the presidency.

Hillary does not look too bad now!

It will make no difference who McCain Picks. He does not stand a chance. After 8 years of a Republican Administration, People Have HAD IT ! The Obama / Biden ticket is about more than just the election. It is a REVOLUTION, a MOVEMENT for Change ! After seeing the crowds and audiences that he draws you would have to be Blind and Dumb not to realize that ! So what ever McCain does will not make a difference.

This surprise choice is insane. I just want to know how a mom of a 5 month old special needs child (not to mention 4 others) thought that running for VP would be a good idea. Where are her priorities? Talk about family values.

Sarah Palin - what a great pick. She is the only one of the candidates that has ANY experience at managing anything. Senators never get to manage. Democrat candidates have no experience.
She is not afraid, manages well (2 months may be short but shows direction)

Obviously this is a politicat stunt by McCain, i was leaning towards him because of his experience but picking Sarah and ingnoring every american, and every citizen just to get hillary clinton’s vote has just shown me hos unrealiable is descision making is. i fear for my life and the people and my fellow America and today, as a registered Independent, my vote goes with no doubt to Obama!!! Sarah seems like a great woman but no way will i want a leader that makes emotional descision and not a logical one

CNN is behind… I just heard the man that was fired because he did not fire the trooper on MSNBC… and he was called directly by Palin…also she was for the bridge to no where first…

This is a disaster for McCain, a 72 year old man that has cancer and heart problems and then he picks a PTA mom who miht have to sit across from Vladimir Putin… Is this a man that cares about his country?

McCain’s choice to women is the return to the wire hanger!

I am a registered Republican. I was undecided until today. This is a politically motivated decision that has nothing to do with what’s best for our country. John McCain could have chosen someone with knowledge and experience similar to his but instead chose a “token female”. I’m neither impressed or motivated to support his ticket. Instead I am very disappointed and am leaning towards voting for Obama. I sense more honesty from that ticket than from my own party.

It’s striking to me that no one draws the parallel that President Clinton held the office of Governor of Arkansas before ascending to the Presidency (after a failed attempt at Congress)

Yes. What happens if something happens to McCain. Am I to think that she can run the Country, take raise or take care of her remaining four children and still fore fill her marital duties? How? What ball does she drop? I am now worried.

Now I’m excited!!! John McCain’s pick has finally given me more of a reason to vote for him in the November election. Up to this point I had no reason to vote for him nor did I have any reason not to. I can’t vote for Obama because I disagree with many things he stands for So voting for him never was in the equation. I don’t know much about Palin. But from what I have heard and seen I sure am excited about learning more about her.

I think this nomination is insane but the people I feel most sorry for are this woman’s five children, one being an infant with Down’s Syndrome. Yes, it’s admirable she chose to give birth to a handicapped child but I believe a mother is very important in the raising and nurturing of this child. It only makes me very confident and happy to vote for the Obama/Biden ticket. I only question John McCain’s judgement even more. Who in the world told him to do this?

Well, so much negativity for this Sarah Palin. Why can’t all these opinionated people give her a chance before they run her down.
I don’t get this, at all.
Look the US used to be respected and the leader of the world. Now
the US gets maybe an honourable mention. China practically owns the US now. So just maybe this new young mind could add a lot
to the recovery of the US. Obama is grand speaker, but talk isn’t everything. She is a go getter, and will chop up some of those Washington blowhards. And besides McCain needs her, no shame in that is there?

If McCain thinks having a woman on his ticket will temp women to vote for him then I pray that the female votes of America will prove him wrong. I am outraged and offended. I supported Hillary not because she was a woman but because what she accomplished as a woman and more than that, because of what she stands for. As a soldier in the Army I am scared of what would happen if McCain won and something did happen to him that allows her to become my commander and cheif

I remember when McCain said that Obama would rather win the election instead of the war. McCain’s pick for a VP shows me that he would rather win the election instead of fix America. Even though, I am voting for Obama, I didn’t mind McCain in the beginning. But, he has given into his party time and time again during this campaign (abandoning your Maverick ways until this VP pick), and now picked a running mate to only win this election. I won’t judge Palin, and I hope she is the real deal. But this looks desperate! At least it will get media coverage. Tell me Mr. McCain. What else will you do just to win this election?

Palin is an extremely weak candidate. Nearly anyone who has managed a $2.0 million budget has managed what she did as a mayor of a 6000 person town or should I say village. How many employees did she have — 10 to 15. I supervised more employees at an auto plant when I was 25 years old.

Now she has been governor of a state with an extremely low population and by no surprise supports oil production. I wonder why — probably because almost the entire budget of Alaska’s state government comes from it.

She is the new Dan Qualye only probably weaker than he was — if that is possible.

Also, how could anyone pick someone for the #2 position in the United States while only meeting the person once or twice! You might hire a supervisor for 10 people after two interviews — not Vice President of the United States.

McCain may as well chosen myself.

I had the opportunity to recently visit Alaska. Prior to my visit, I gathered information about Alaska, and Gov. Palin has a wonderful reputation in Alaska, and has represented her state well. Before all the “stones” are thrown, I believe we need to get to know her. Personally, choosing her for VP has sealed my vote for McCain.

why did Obama select a plagirist as his VP?

Again, this prove that McCain like hot young chic. Look how cold Cindy McCain was when she hugged Palin this morning. Nation, expect some cat fights soon.

Pro-life, lifetime member of NRA, anti-gay (the buchanan fiasco), and from oil-rich Alaska…this woman does not exemplify who I am as a woman…possibly a woman living in the 1950s but not a contemporary millenium woman. And the thought that this woman would become commander in chief of our armed forces if anything happens to the 72-year old cancer-ridden republican nominee just sends chills up and down my spine.

Obama is my choice and most of my contemporaries in my circle.

I think on Larry King live one of the guests had said that Palin is the most popular governor with a 80% approval rating. Maybe that is true in Alaska, but I guarantee most Americans woke up this morning and said “Sarah who?” I also find it interesting that NO ONE will answer the question ” Is she the best choice of the Republicans for VP?” No one wants to answer that because the answer is NO.
McCain, big gamble. Hail Mary. political gimmick. call it what you will, but I bet he commited political suicide with his choice.

Go Obama/Biden!!

Although very attractive which may appeal to some; Sarah Palin is not a good choice. She may be very intelligent and willing but has no experience and will not get the female vote from women over 40 because we are not stupid. McCain is not a well man!
Do we want Palin as president? I hardly think so.

I think this is a wonderful surprise on McCain’s part. It just shows that he is not your typical Republican, he is much better!

Guys, this is seriouse! This women who says she don’t even know what a V.P. does, could become president if john mccain died or got ill while in office—-If he got Prez! Man you’d better be scared! This is not a joke! She doesn’t even know mccain is one of those good ol boy network she keeps putting down. than to say the Clinton is a whiner in a interview , and than try to look like a supporter later! They’d better keep her hiden! And who’d pick a Vice President you only meet one time before! How crazy has mccain got? This is a political stunt, that has endangered America, and john Mccain ought to be ashamed of himself! We’d better pray for America!

I think McCain’s pick for vice president is very telling of campaign strategy since becoming the GOP nominee. Where Barack Obama campaign is focused around the American people, McCain’s strategy is Barack Obama. The republican party has been simply imitating Obama’s and the democratic party’s original ideas and repackaging them as his own.

I definitely do not want a president with bootleg policies.

Please, I beg you ask this question to those script reading Republicans. McCain has satisfied his base, but what will the rest of the world leaders that we already have a very shaky relationship with feel if McCain tries to present this Hockey Mom as the “so called most powerful countries” Vice President? How does she for instance deal with a Putin? Damn it, how does UK deal with someone of her minimal stature?

Does anyone realize she govered a state of 650k? He could have picked anyone of the Borough Presidents in New York, who have managed budgets etc that are triple and quadruple of her little state. This is insulting and frightening and if this ticket wins, I promise to move to Canada.

He only met her once? This just seems out of character for Mccain. He had the nerve to make it seem like Obama was only out to win presidency. This is definitely a political move for him. Who is this woman and what are her policies? Does Mccain even know?

Please tell me this is a dream and not the American Dream that Obama spoke about so eloquently last night. How in the world can this Woman think that she is capable of being Vice President when she will havve to choose between breastfeeding a baby and and that 3AM call at the White House if something were to happen to McCain. I believe in women’s rights, but women need to know when Enough is Enough (as Barack said) jusst how many things do you think a women can juggle. C’mon the women has five kids and to me, by her not staying at home to be a good mother behooves me. C’mon she has a young baby that will need a lot of special love and care! I am wonder where McCain mind is …. he truly just does not get it. And I would oft ponder about this lady’s judgement as a woman and not a politian.

Carol you are so right!!!!

Bravo to John McCain for thinking outside the box. It is about time we as Americans have a “real” option. Since “politics as usual” hasn’t seemed to work, maybe a refreshing perspective from outside the Beltway will. If several years of executive experience was the answer, President Bush should have been amazing. As a Republican and working mother, I am now excited about this election.

Inarguably, she has fought corruption. But her possible albatross is the brother-in-law issue. She attempted to get her brother-in-law fired; however this issue was vetted to the extreme. It’s 95 to 5 that the issue is insignificant.

Was it just me, or did Sarah Palin look all out of sorts during her speech today? Palin may be a fine person, but she is clearly way in over her head. To compare her with Hillary Clinton is insulting. Hillary is refined and polished. Palin looks like she belongs as a PTA chairperson or perhaps mayor of a small town, but I can’t even imagine voting for her as Governor!

McCain made my choice easy. Go McCain / Palin !!!
Absolutely brilliant choice!

Senator McCain’s choice is his choice. But please dont insult women, Republicans, Democrats, Independe. To think so little of us. McCain thinks we only voted for Hilary because she is a woman? Let me correct this. We voted for Hillary because of her policies. To think you can bring her on his ticket just to lure us. She is bait and we are fish? Think again Senator. Women are more than puppets or robots you can switch on off as you like.
You nomination made me focus on Obama.

I seriously believe this was a very risky move by a 72 year old who has survived cancer 4 times, Palin has held a major political office for only about two years. She also apparently wants to extend the war, and the only time she has been on only one foreign policy visit when she went to support troops in Iraq. This was a choice for the campaign not for holding office.

I wonder if the dems, know by now they have the wrong nominee, or will it take the glass ceiling crumbling around them. I am so thrilled MCcain picked Palin for his running mate. This is the winning ticket. they’re really is a God, and he is looking out for this country.

Is John McCain out of his mind!!

She has zero experience.

He has had cancer 4 times. He is 72 years old.

How dare he make such a risky / dangerous decision for the United States of Amerixca. Is he already senile.

God help America.

He picked her because she is attractive, and also he told her that he looks like 50 years

I am for sure voting for McCain now.What experience does Obama have that she doesn’t? Everyone has McCain dead already! She will have all the brains around to advise her if need be. I too think this woman has more to offer than most think. I am anxious to see her and Biden debate. Why don’t we have limits for these Congressmen anyway? No one needs to be in office that long.

I think that it is sad that McCain had to do this to compete. He should stop thinking about himself and think about his country. I was undecided, but now I know who to vote for.

I think it is interesting that criticism comes as a result of Sarah only having the experience of a governor of a state for VP when there has been a precident in the past to elect several governors such as president. Carter, Clinton, Regan to name a few. Many have proven to be great leaders of our country.

It was a cheap ploy to draw in those democrats who supported hillary. i could see how it could be viewed as insulting as it is percieved a john mccain assuming that clinton supporters only care about gender and not issue.

McCains pick was a BAD choice for 4 reasons.

1) McCain DOESNT EVEN KNOW HER

2) he inexpirience contradicts his whole “you need expirience to lead” doctrine

3) her usual alaskan constituency is not a microcosm for the U.S. as a whole so basically she wont know what to do if she took office.

4) Her obscurity on the American political scene will upset those more conservative meticulous republicans to whom he wants to appeal.

Basically putting Gov. Palin in office would be like instantly promoting a store manager to a ceo with NO training

The silliest topic being discussed is the subject of experience. Neither side could ever be qualified to be president of the United States. Nobody could possibly prepare for such a unique position and that is the real truth. The discussion should be what plans the candidate is propsosing to better our country and more of the same or 90- 95% of the same will not work. Too much is at stake for a third republican term. As president Clinton said in his speech the third time would not be the charm and I believe the democrats should be given a chance to better our country. The republican campaign has recently taken a gamble in the vice-presidential pick and that can only add to the fact that the GOP does not see the urgency in this country’s current situation.

When I see Palin I see a exactly what she said “a soccer mom “, not a politician. I dont care what she did in Alaska we are talking about possibly running the United States of America. Is this the best they could find? I have never even heard of here. She does not demonstrate a strong character to lead this country . I see her and I think girl scout cookies. The world will look at her as a joke. Obama may not have tons of experience, but hes got character and so does Biden. My vote just changed to Obama. MacCain you just gave away the presidential election.

This woman has been governor of Alaska less than 2 yrs and already under investigation by the Alaska state legislature. Is this what we have more to look forward to from McCain. I’d also like to know how was her campaign funded…especially in lite of the fact that her husband works for BP (British Petroleum) Oil. I thought this maverick turned sidekick, was supposed to be his own man not a puppet of the special interests, the oil industry. Can you say “more of the same”.

It seems reasonable that people might question McCain’s judgment in selected a running mate whom he has met once, has been the mayor of a town of 5,000 people, and who has been the Governor of a remote, unpopulated state for an entire two years.

However, one might also think it reasonable to question Palin’s judgment. Who would consider themselves qualified to be the Vice President and possibly, if not likely (given McCain’s age and health), the President after such limited experience.

If this wasn’t such a potentially disastrous situation for our county, it might be the stuff of a comedy out of Hollywood. Wait…Has anyone seen Bulworth lately?

Im not saying that pretty girls can’t be tough but Sara comes across to me as the type that couldn’t handle an emergency at 3 am because she couldnt let anyone see her without her hair and makeup done. Beauty Queen or Tough Politician?

There they go again! First they underestimated Barak OBama, now they aee underestimating American Women. Does McCain really think that women just voted for Hilliary just because she was a woman? So he picks an obscure woman from Alaska to attract women to his cause. This is just a slap in the face to women in America. We believed in Hilliary’s ability and intelligence. Yes we were disappointed that she did not win, but we’re not going to abandon the party just to get a women in office as Vice President. How insulting!

I dont think she was selected to reach Hilary’s supporters at all. Don’t be so vain. She was picked to rally the conservative base, rally the conservative working women, and add divewrsity to the ticket. it is no worse than Obama chosing a white male because those are the votes he needed!

McCain’s VP pick reeks of desperation and hypocrisy. For months McCain has been critical of Obama’s “lack of experience” and now he has chosen a women who has even less experience especially when it comes to foreign policy and national security. This woman has experience as the governor of Alaska. I must ask, how hard is it it govern a remote state with a tiny population? The obvious assumption that must be made is that the McCain camp is scared and needed something to stir up the media and shock people into re-considering their ticket. I think this decision looks foolish and harried on McCain’s part and believe personally that this only makes the Obama/Biden ticket stronger and safer. Palin as VP is laughable.

I am aghast! This is the best he could come up with to present as a running mate to the American public, which I might add, does not consist completely of gun toting moose swallowing, science defying individuals! I am now more than ever convinced this man does not have the temperament necessary to make the kind of judgements necessary to steer this country out of the morass his party has created over the last eight years.
God Help America to find the wisdom to say NO WAY to this ridiculous team!

Why Palin? She is the governor of the state of Alaska which has the population equal to Irvine, California or Fort Worth, Texas. Sounds like genunive experience to me.

The Democrats have taken the bait hook line and sinker. They are busy comparing their Ticket number 1 to McCain’s number 2. What does that say about their number 1? Maybe the Democrats should be looking at a Biden - Obama Ticket???

I’m amazed that McCain would not only chose a running mate that he has only met once but, one that is under investigation in her state. The investigation seems to be credible but, even if it’s completely false the issue will affect his campain. (if the democrats do their job)
Choosing a running mate currently under investigation goes against his reform and anti-corruption platform.

As a democrat im ecstatic i think it increases our chances to win!

As an American im terrified. I thought McCain would at least pick whats best for the country.

McCain obviously dosent get it. The campaign isnt about Obama or Biden or McCain or Palin, its about us. Obama and Biden are simply a reflection of all the ideas of 90% (Lower and Middle Class) of this country. Simply trying to make Obama look bad or Palin look good is irrelevant. All hes done is scare away any republicans with sense and inspire democrats to work even harder.

Well, I’m on board with John’s pick. Kind of shows his courage.

Palin is Pro _Life and Pro Gun.
Give me a break.
Isn’t that an oxymoron?

Regarding the choice of Sarah Palin as the Vice Presidential running mate.

On the one hand I am impressed by John McCain. It ’s like “He’s Back”. His campaign up to this point has been inauthentic. Not him.
It is also a bit of a Hail Mary pass but good for him thinking outside of the box.

I am a woman so a woman on the ticket is exciting. But the notion that she breaks the glass ceiling is not true. Walter Mondale did that with Geraldine Ferraro how many decades ago??!! It was a Hail Mary pass for Mondale and it didn’t work.

Hillary was running for the TOP spot not the second spot on the ticket.

Here is the biggest concern I have. Sarah Palin has a four month, four MONTH old baby. Clearly, as a very popular, I have seen MOST popular, governor in the country she could wait a few years until her baby is older to move onto the national scene. I think she should put the baby FIRST. Governor Palin is young and has plenty of time to run for Senate or President or whatever she chooses. Clearly she has the ambition and drive and approval of her party to achieve it. I believe woman can have it all and can do anything a man can do….BETTER. But I also think family is important the MOST important part of one’s life and I think a four month old needs their mother. As governor she can go home to her family every night. As a vice presidential candidate new to the national stage she will spend the next 60 days or so stumping with John McCain all over the country, focusing on the campaign. I just, I can’t respect that. She has plenty of time. Her ambitions could wait until her infant son is older! I guess in her case it is COUNTRY FIRST not family first. Is this what the conservatives consider family values???!!!

I am so proud of John McCain.

He selected a woman who has done everything Obama tries to convince us he can do.

She has rocked the corrupt establishment in the Republican Party.

She has reformed EVERY organization she has been a part of.

As the Daughter, wife, sister and mother of soldiers I am completely comfortable with her as a leader and 1 heart beat from the Presidency.

She has negotiated with Canada over pipelines and transportation. She has negotiated with the Russians over the Fisheries and scrambled her National Guard planes to meet Russian fighters violating Alaska airspace in the last few months.

She is painfully aware of the Iraq & Afghanistan issues she has constituants there and has taken a personal interest in them. Unlike either Biden or Obama.

I am ready for her as Commander in Chief.

Screw the liberals and thier double standards.

Lynn is right. I can’t wait until the truth comes out of Alaska. Let’s hope the G’wichin Tribe gets to give their opinion about drilling in ANWR. Then we can ask her why she didn’t support putting the polar bear on the endangered species list, when Bush finally did. Even conservatives don’t support ripping up Alaska. She is only popular there because her support of oil keeps jobs and the economy going. Important points, too, but what about jobs that better support our planet, instead of the kind that support oil, like Obama has suggested? Sure, she supported larger fines for the spill; big deal, like it put a dent in their ledger books.

I would rather vote for Bush-Cheney than McCain-Palin.

If this country elects these two (McCain-Palin) we’ll continue to be taken with a lack of seriousness on the world stage.

It is amazing to me that at such a crucial time in our country’s history, McCain comes up with Palin (at this point in her career) as his VP pick. Honestly, how much credibility does she, and can she have on the economy, foreign policy, etc…. ???

This is very tragic that presidential candidates are doing whatever it takes to win the election without taking into account the future of three hundred million people.

Is Senator McCain out of his mind. His choice for VP is reckless and very scary

I was a republican until now. McCain you just lost my vote! What the heck were you thinking. I wanted a strong ticket not one that had to try to get the womens votes from the democrats. If we can not win on our own then what is the point.
I guess Obama was right you do not have the platform to run on. What do you stand for? It looks to me like you dont even know yourself. by the way stop twisting your wedding ring it makes you look like you want to cheat on poor cindy with her little arm in her sling.

as woman and vietnam veteran that long forgotten war Iam offend mcains pandering and you know who I wont be voting for their is old saying can dress a sow but it is still sow more the same
Victoria Carta

As a woman, I am insulted that McCain would consider Sarah Palin as a representative of women in the United States. I was not a Hillary supporter but clearly recognized her intelligence and experience and extensive knowledge and would have gladly supported her if she had defeated Obama….not because she is a woman but because of her many skills and talents.

Hillary supports women’s issues. Sarah happens to be a woman but does not support women’s issues and she has no, absolutely no qualification to be the Vice President of the Untied States.

Sarah is no Hillary

John Mccain says that when the country “gets to know her”. How can he say that when HE DOES NOT KNOW HER. He met her ONCE……… I’m sorry, I really have even more concerns about this man’s judgement.

Sarah Palin does what Obama, Biden and McCain could never do. She speaks for real America - not hollywood, not Washington, not TV but for Soccer moms, blue collar workers, teachers and women. She is a sucessful woman, she stands up for what she believes in, she is not a politician from a political family, she is a mother, she is a wife, she is blue collar, she understands the importance of issues for real Americans and she is confident in who she is.

Her experience is equal or greater than Obama. America does not want an insider, we want CHANGE, change we can believe in. Sarah Palin is the most sincere person on the campaign.

I did not want to vote for McCain, but I will vote for McCain/Palin. She is not Hillary, she is an independent women and I respect that.

I use to think nobody could be a worse president than Bush but now I am sure McCain can do it!

Instead of Sarah Palin, Sarah “Pales In” comparison to Joe Biden!!!!!

What John McCain has done to America is reprehensible. He has put all of us at risk for his short term gain. All he cares about is winning the right wing’s support to win this election. He doesn’t care about our future. What if he dies in office? That thought should be enough to help Barak Obama win this election. For that, I say, “Thank you for this gift, John McCain.”

McCain’s choice for vp proves that he is not fit to make the decions that this country needs. She doesn’t need to be second in command at this time. She needs to be able to focus her attention on her baby.

It blows my mind that McCain had only met her once. Its like eloping with some random person you met in a bar in vegas. Despite her accomplishments in Alaskan politics, the reality is that she has no experience that could have possibly prepared her for the presidency. Quite frankly I agree with Paul Begala in that it is frightening to think she could be running the country in the near future. The population of Alaska is 680,000 people. Two years ago she was mayor of a town with 8000 people. Chicagoland has 9.8 million…

I would also like to point out that it has been mentioned that her son being in the military is one of her assets. If that qualifies you to be president, I suggest we all write in Cindy Sheehan for president this fall.