July 31st, 2008
08:15 AM ET

AC360° Q&A - If McCain wins, Roe v. Wade will be overturned

Editor's Note: Harvard Law School Professor Laurence Tribe is one of the United States’ preeminent constitutional scholars. An informal advisor to Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign, he is one of the presumptive Democratic nominee’s most ardent supporters. The liberal legal icon talks with AC360’s Jack Gray about the impact the next president will have on The Supreme Court, the possibility of Roe v. Wade being overturned and why Barack Obama is the most amazing student he ever taught.

Q. The economy, two wars, an energy crisis … are legal and judicial issues as important in this election?
A. I think they’re enormously important because they set the framework within which everything else is addressed. If we believe in democracy and the rule of law then an administration that is casual or reckless about the framework of the constitution simply can’t be trusted with either war or peace. So I think that although bread and butter issues of gas prices and home foreclosures are going to dominate individual consciousness, at some level people have to remember that it is our legal system and our political structure that defines our greatness as a nation and that projects our presence onto the world stage and indirectly accounts for our safety and security. If we don’t stand for a fundamental set of legal values abroad we will have an impossible time in the battle of ideas that constitutes the war on terrorism.

Q. There was a Politico article earlier this month that basically said Senator McCain has been mentioning judicial issues much more than Senator Obama and, in fact, Senator Obama doesn’t mention judicial nominations in his stump speech and doesn’t go out of his way to mention upholding Roe v. Wade. Is that simply general election politics? You have to stay near the center when it comes to hot button issues like The Supreme Court and abortion?
A. No, I think the reasons are at least as substantive as they are political. I think everyone knows that The Supreme Court is closely divided and the earliest resignations in the next presidential term are almost certain to be resignations among the justices who are in the center or the left of the Court. It is the right wing of the Court that is the youngest and so it is not likely that Senator Obama would change the Court’s trajectory. He would at most be replacing moderates and progressives with other justices of a moderate and progressive orientation…and because Senator McCain seems to have no clear strategy either for the economy or for the foreign policy of the United States, he is trying to hold on to his right wing base by throwing red meat to some Republicans by saying “vote for me and we will roll back reproductive freedom, we will have more Scalias and Thomases on the Court.” That’s really the centerpiece of his appeal. And from time to time and certainly during at least one of the national presidential debates, Senator Obama will have occasion to remind people that if they believe in and take for granted certain elements of reproductive freedom or personal liberty then it would be dangerous to vote for Senator McCain.

Q. If Senator McCain wins, do you believe Roe v. Wade will be overturned?
A. I do. I think Roe v. Wade, whether it’s overturned expressly or rendered a hollow shell, will cease to provide within a relatively short period any meaningful protection for the reproductive freedom of women. It will then be up to the states and in a number of states there will be severe restrictions on abortion. In other states abortion will be left to the choice of women and their doctors but women who are relatively poor or who are not as mobile will often resort to illegal or dangerous abortions. I think that Senator McCain’s America is going to be one in which abortion - rather than being safe, legal and rare - will be unsafe, in many states illegal, and really not much rarer than it is today. It’s going to be a profound and retrograde change. It won’t happen overnight, but as soon as Justice Stevens who - though vigorous, is going to be 89 before too long - leaves the Court, a replacement by Senator McCain, even with a strongly Democratic senate, is bound to be someone who will vote to reduce Roe v. Wade to shreds.

Q. You mentioned the right wing base. Voters in the center - the ones that inevitably decide these elections - do they vote on Supreme Court picks or is it more the base conservatives and base liberals who pay more attention to these matters?
A. I think it’s very rarely been a decisive voting issue for many people, although there are certainly many people in the hard right who are primarily interested in a president who will pick justices who will help overturn Roe v. Wade and break down the barriers between church and state. Liberals and progressives and people in the center tend to have more immediate and practical concerns but some of the people, in particular in Hillary Clinton’s base, who might otherwise be tempted not to vote at all or to vote for Senator McCain will end up remembering what a McCain Court could do to some of the rights and values that they take for granted and may be motivated by that to go to the polls.

Q. You had Senator Obama as a student (at Harvard Law School). I think I read somewhere – correct me if I’m wrong – you said he was the best student you ever had?
A. He was the most amazing student I ever had. I said he was the most impressive and the most amazing. You know, a word like “best” I think is a little misleading because it’s hard to compare the brilliance of several very brilliant people. But what was special about Barack Obama is that he didn’t just write an amazing “A” exam and he wasn’t simply the best research assistant that I had in many years, but he was also unusually mature. He had an unusually powerful vision of public service. He was all around the most impressive student in the perhaps in the perhaps 30,000 that I’ve taught in nearly 40 years.

Q. Did you think – he graduated in 1991 – that 17 years later he would perhaps be president?
A. Well, nobody has a crystal ball, but I certainly said to my wife that I may have met - in one of my students - someone who could become President of the United States. I was amazed by his talent, by his maturity, by his acumen, by his perceptiveness, by his judgment and by his charisma. I don’t think I had great confidence in a prediction like that because I’ve never made it about anyone else and I had no way of knowing that I might have been on target. But it has never surprised me that his trajectory knows no bounds.

Q. You’ve compared him to President Kennedy.
A. I think he potentially will be at least as good a president as President Kennedy. And it was when President Kennedy was running in the 1960 election when I was a sophomore at Harvard College when I was inspired in a way that I haven’t been since until this candidacy.

Q. How often do you talk to him?
A. From time to time. He’s so busy now. I’m going to talk to him briefly on August 4th on his birthday, and we communicate by e-mail and in ways that don’t take up his time.

Q. He’s taking some flack – particularly in an article in Wednesday’s edition of The Washington Post – for appearing, some are saying, presumptuous, perhaps a bit too presidential as if he already has the election locked up. I’m assuming you disagree with that characterization, but if politics is perception then he’s got to be careful, right?
A. He is about as humble as you can be when you’ve gone as far as he has as fast as he has. He very often repeats that we have only one president at a time and that he doesn’t want to upstage the President of the United States. But there is an intellectual and moral vacuum in The White House and it’s not his fault that other people want him to fill it.

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soundoff (42 Responses)
  1. Zion

    Rob, you are correct, but please keep in mind that the Constitution was written not for average Americans, but for the John McCains, rich, white, and male (land owning). It was not for everyone else. Secondly, the Constitution is a document, like any other that should be modified with societal change. Imagine what our country would be like if the Constitution was not modified for a woman's movement, or or a Civil Rights movement. I am not a one horse voter when it comes to Roe V. Wade or Abortion. Many of you have simplified abortion to a matter of abstinence on the part of the woman only. Also, lets not mention that many Abortions are a result of poor health care for women (Isn't it amazing I have not heard one person on this blog while talking about sexuality mention that birth control is not approved by many insurance companies, but Viagra is), and the list goes on. The majority of Abortions are not a result of irresponsible sex, but irresponsible health care, especially for poorer women that will be endorsed by McCain.

    August 1, 2008 at 7:37 am |
  2. Paula from Georgia

    No, the supreme wil not overturn Roe vs Wade. The states now have passed enough regulations, every woman or teenager has to jumps through hoops to get one now. The Dems in the state office have continually voted with the republicans on these laws. If you can find a doctor, that will perform now, good luck, Some gyn's won't see a woman without a referral or appointment. The Dems voted with republicans in Washington over the last three to four years on Bills that Bill Clinton VETOED. They are now law.

    August 1, 2008 at 12:15 am |
  3. Kent Fitzsimmons,Kewanee, IL

    Lol...........as usual Cindy says something off the wall....lol.

    Women better pay attention to this issue if they want to continue to have these rights that the Republican nominee will help take away from them. August 2nd we will help Obama celebrate early his birthday by joining IL and IA supporters in Davenport IA to canvass the city for Obama...................join us at the Dav Obama Headquarters at 11 am............

    August 1, 2008 at 12:12 am |
  4. Alex Harvey

    What is Obamas saying about the Computer chips? how is the president forcing everyone into it. What about people that don't wont it? is it right to call them terrorist. What about people who stands by there religion , Will they be treated like terrorist? it should be the peoples choice to get the chip or not, and still be able to live and work in the USA, or any other state. its unfair and outrageous and a knife in the hart of our privacy laws. Witch we all deserve, I as a American will not get this, I deserve to make a living just as much as someone who has the chip.

    July 31, 2008 at 11:36 pm |
  5. lampe

    Kay, I never once tried to hide that I was a Clinton supporter, that is something that I am very proud of. Women gave Obama the power over Clinton by supporting him instead of her. Where was he when all the sexist comments were being made about her, back then. If he didn't stand up fpr a women then what makes you think that he actually cares anything about your right to have a baby or not. He has already flip-flopped on promises he made when he was running against Clinton. If he can change his minded about FISA, Public campaign financing, oh! yeah he can't decide if IRANS a big threat or not what makes you think he can't change his mind on everything else.

    July 31, 2008 at 10:55 pm |
  6. Christine

    Using Roe v Wade to scare women, mostly young women, is not very good. I really don't think it will overturned, most likly will be left up to states. Don't worry there will be more D&C's than ever before.

    Again Obama has nothing to offer America, at this time he really should have waited a few more years. He is not ready.

    July 31, 2008 at 10:44 pm |
  7. abdikariim

    i don thin obama is muslim who said obama is muslm wrong

    July 31, 2008 at 10:41 pm |
  8. Jim

    We had a Republican Controlled Congress was it overturned No, We have had how many Republican Presidents? Was it over turned- No.
    My view-
    Women -you have the right to say NO & keep your legs closed.
    You have the right to use & have your partner use Contraception. or get fixed.
    You have the right to Get pregnant & For BOTH of you to take responcibility for the life you created.
    You have the right to give a child up for adoption.
    I feel it is wrong to kill a child for the sake of conviniance-
    In the case of Rape or Incest You should have the right to make a eunich out of the perpetrator.

    July 31, 2008 at 10:06 pm |
  9. Jason

    It's unfortunate that someone as theoretically intelligent as a Harvard Law Professor thinks there needs to be "meaningful protection for the reproductive freedom of women".

    A women who drives a motorcycle in California (one of the most "progressive" states in the nation, by the way) doesn't have the freedom to choose whether she wears a helmet or not–but she does have the freedom to choose whether she ends her child's life whenever it's convenient?

    Sadly, Laci Peterson and her unborn child were murdered in California in 2002. Her husband, Scott, was convicted and sent to prison for TWO murders; that of Laci AND her unborn child.

    So it's considered a "child" when it's not voluntarily killed, but NOT a child when it IS voluntarily killed?

    I find this truly bizarre and unconscionable.

    July 31, 2008 at 9:56 pm |
  10. lampe

    Ladies, please stop letting the Democrats scare you into believing that ROE vs WADE will be over-turned if Mc Cain is POTUS. We are about so much more than our reproductive system. When you consider who you vote for,think what is best for you and your family. The gas prices, The fore-closure rates, Obama wanting you to pay more taxes. WE ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THEY GIVE US CREDIT FOR, that's what Sen. Clinton fought so long and so hard for, now McCain will do the same for us.

    July 31, 2008 at 9:07 pm |
  11. Larry

    When did Bush or McCain say they plan to overturn Roe V Wade?

    Is Erectile Dysfunction an actual illness; well according to the ICD-10 it is. The International Classification of Disease, used by the World Health Organization, Look it up.

    Birth Control? Ever heard of abstaining from sex? Only about 7% of HMOs do not offer any contraceptive coverage, look it up, I did.

    July 31, 2008 at 8:40 pm |
  12. Annie Kate

    Roe vs. Wade could probably be overturned with the current court if a case was presented in just the right context – the Court has already overturned part of it.

    There should be abortion for those whose health is endangered or severely compromised by a pregnancy. Those who are raped should go to the hospital, have a rape exam so charges can be brought against the rapist, and given the treatment at the time of the rape that will prevent pregnancy. Other than that abortion on demand shouldn't be needed – when Roe vs. Wade was established there were very few effective birth control methods so there was a need for it. Today there are many effective birth control methods that a woman exercising her right to choose could use to prevent pregnancy. And most health department clinics will provide these contraceptives free of charge for those who cannot afford them. Roe vs. Wade should be a choice of last resort – and not used as a means of birth control.

    I don't think contraception will be outlawed – we already are too aware of how the growing population is straining the earth's resources. I do think though that if you look at what all is available for birth control these days that Roe vs. Wade could be outlawed except for unusual circumstances and it wouldn't make much difference. If this is a scare tactic to get people to vote a certain way then it is one that is assuming that women are not informed enough to realize there are other effective means to prevent pregnancy as long as you make your choice before you have sex instead of after. Besides – why should anyone in this day and age be having unprotected sex?

    Annie Kate
    Birmingham AL

    July 31, 2008 at 8:27 pm |
  13. Cynthia

    I personally would not have an abortion but I would not want anyone telling me that I could not have one. I don't feel that government should have anything to do with something so personal as that.

    July 31, 2008 at 8:26 pm |
  14. NateSC

    Its Obvious being Pro life only deals with unborn babies, not neutral or innocent people(men, women and children) in other countries who we bomb. If thats what it means to be pro life then all those who favor war and are pro life are hypocrites.

    July 31, 2008 at 8:01 pm |
  15. Linda31

    this is not far fetched. One just has to look at the discussion being had over contraception.

    July 31, 2008 at 7:27 pm |
  16. Logan

    Ok....isn't the guy like, 103 years old? The elections are still a couple of months away–anything can happen! He could fall and break a hip or forget about our troops who have lives and families....wait, he already did that!

    Things might be looking up.

    Honestly, give this old man your vote and you can kiss what's left of your freedom goodbye.

    July 31, 2008 at 7:11 pm |
  17. Mari, Salt Lake City

    I don't understand how ANYONE who is Pro-LIFE, could vote for Bush or McCain.

    How is McCain's little 'song' "BOMB....BOMB.......BOMB IRAN" Pro-Life??
    How is bombing women, children...... people pro-life??????????? How has Bush been pro-life? These men are hypocrites. Bush allows torture, killing, etc., this is pro-life???

    How is endangering our environment so we can have 16 months of oil, from drilling on our coasts pro-life?????????

    There is a lot of hypocrisy in the GOP, I am a Christian, praying that we, Americans, wake up!

    We can not legislate morality, you can outlaw abortions but they would still take place, sadly. We have laws against murder but people still kill.

    The answer is to raise our children in a healthy way, to teach them to value ALL life.

    Please think long and hard before giving McCain your vote!!!!!!

    July 31, 2008 at 6:49 pm |
  18. Black / NYC



    Because the man knows nothing else.
    as he said I dont know about the economy, but he does know wars

    July 31, 2008 at 6:47 pm |
  19. Nicole

    Somebody please tell me that I just forgot how to read and I just didn't read a comment about Obama using "scare tactics". What world have you been living in since Obama won the primary? Am I the only one that seen the cover of the New Yorker? Give me a break!

    And lets stop all the ignorant talk about Hillary. She lost in case you forgot! I will always support Hillary in any job that she has but lets face the fact that it won't be President!

    I don't under how any woman would vote for McCain. This is the same man that doesn't have a problem w/ health insurance companies paying for the blue pill but not birth control pills.


    July 31, 2008 at 6:29 pm |
  20. Kay

    This is why Hillary's supporters (I used to be one when it counted!) terrify me. We can't let this happen! I seriously doubt what either a president Obama or president McCain could do to solve America's problems, but the wrong controlling power of the Supreme Court could make things way worse. It's got to be the Dems in 08!
    @ lampe: That's a really bizarre comment. Who are these women who will run and hide? Surely not Hillary supporters such as yourself ("cheated our candidate" tipped me off!), who should know better than to confuse politics with human rights.

    July 31, 2008 at 6:26 pm |
  21. Karen - Maryland

    Would Roe v Wade be overturned – yes. I would even go so far as to say that contraception would be outlawed as well.

    July 31, 2008 at 6:16 pm |
  22. lampe

    This is a scare tactic by the Obama campaign. Well I have news for him, women are about alot more than sexual reproduction. Once again scare women, and they'll run and hide, well guess what it's not working this time. We ladies are tired of being treated like second-class citizens, first they cheated our canidate, now their telling us lies, so we'll fall in line behind Saint Obama. Ladies it's time to tell The Dems, just what to do with their votes.

    July 31, 2008 at 5:04 pm |
  23. Claire

    The thing is, it's not just about abortion. It's about woman's and minorities rights. If we have a court that is mostly conservative then some things could change for us and not in a good way.

    I've known two woman that have had abortions and one was because of her health (she could have died) and one was because she was raped by a relative. Personally, I would never have a abortion but I can not imagine what would have happened to both of my friends had they not had the choice open for them. The point is, it should be up to each woman based on their circumstances. I do agree that people should be responsible and use birth control but there are others circumstances. Unless you are faced with that kind of decision I think it's a bit hard to judge.

    July 31, 2008 at 4:34 pm |
  24. seah Ohio

    McCain never said he would over turn anything.

    He is a wise man and will go with what the majority of the people want.

    July 31, 2008 at 4:18 pm |
  25. Bev C Town of Tonawanda, NY

    Again – what happens to a woman's body be it pregnancy, or whatever, what she wishes to do about it is HER decision to make. Not the government's, her parents, her friends, etc. If people would use contraceptives, there would be no need for abortions. If you can't afford contraceptives, you can get them free. Check the internet. I cannot believe that, in this day and age, girls, women AND MEN are still having unprotected sex. The people who "run" this country (mostly males) do not have the right to legislate what decisions a woman gets to make about her own body and her own life.

    July 31, 2008 at 4:14 pm |
  26. seah Ohio

    I guess you have been listening to Obama again. Geesh

    Obama has made the comment That he has to be elected so he can name Judges so rowe vs wade is not over turned.

    I think we have far bigger problems in this country.

    I think The judges are not going to vote on anything Rashly.

    I think Obama will use anything for a vote. Even threaten people, Scare tactics and anything he feels he needs to. to win.

    I think a ecconomy that is failing, an energy crisis, homeless, hungry people in this country and a nuclear threat are far more important areas to be working on.

    Obama reflects all his churches teachings and what they want. Rowe vs wade not being overturned is high on their list. But it should be at the bottom of Obama list.

    Obama's goals and agendas are not the best interest of this country or the best interest of the people. He lets others influence his judgement and decisions. He is a very dangerous man.

    July 31, 2008 at 4:13 pm |
  27. Chris, Miami FL

    I love how this article goes from talking about how McCain will destroy women's reproductive freedom right into how Obama was "the most amazing student" at Harvard Law. This media bias is getting way out of control and I'm afraid it is what will determine the outcome of the election, not the candidates themselves.

    July 31, 2008 at 3:33 pm |
  28. Jim

    Does America really need abortion on demand? If abortion is OK then why not have retro-active abortions on demand as well?

    July 31, 2008 at 3:26 pm |
  29. Jan from Wood Dale IL

    Gee, I wonder how the esteem Professor justifies Obama's switch to the right of center after the Supreme Courts decision against the District of Columbia's ban on gun ownership. While working in IL Obama had been all for banning handguns, but after becoming the Democratic nominee for president, Obama fully supported the Supreme Courts decision for gun ownership rights. I guess you can never really know someone, or how they might change.

    July 31, 2008 at 3:08 pm |
  30. Tammy

    Interesting. I heard this argument in 2000 when I participated in the National Right to Life March in DC the week of "W"'s first inauguration. Nothing has changed in eight years. Since McCain is more moderate, his judicial choices will probably echo that, A democratic Congress won't approve far right nominations, and the medical lobby (physicians and their attorneys) won't let them have the liability of back alley abortions in this day and age. I rather doubt Roe v. Wade will be overturned. Love the far left hysterics, though. And the Obama camp talks about Republicans playing on voters' fears. Get real.

    July 31, 2008 at 2:20 pm |
  31. Mike, Syracuse, NY

    Tribe's whole point is fear mongering. Any Supreme Court appointment will require Senate approval. The Senate will be overwhelmingly Democratic, and will not back a justice who would overturn R v W. I'd be much more concerned with a Court that says a child rapist should not be executed unless they also murder the child. That's the kind of court Obama would bring. No second Amendment rights. Criminals with more rights than victims. Besides, should not the 'right to choose' happen before sex? The overwhelming number of abortions occur due to failure to use birth control. A 'choice' to use birth control would eliminate the need for most abortions, so the ones remaining were truly necessary.

    July 31, 2008 at 2:09 pm |
  32. Rob

    While I agree that women should have the right to an abortion, that right is not enshired in the Constitution. Those familiar with constitutional law and legal principles would realize that Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided. It was not based upon legal precedent or any reasonable interpretation of the Constitution.

    We should not allow 9 old judges decide what is or is not allowed in this country. If the people want abortions to be legal, than the proper mechanism is to amend the Constitution, not to read in rights that are not written there.

    July 31, 2008 at 1:16 pm |
  33. Larry

    Guess who'll be obama's 1st supreme court appointee will be? McCain will not be the president of anything. Why are people even bothering to think about McCain having a snowball's in hell of a chance of winning; get on with just talking about the utopian life we will be living under the obama regime.

    obama, president for life.

    Barack, don't forget to send out that $20 million to buy off the latino vote.

    July 31, 2008 at 1:15 pm |
  34. Caren, Los Angeles

    What good would overturning Roe v Wade do? I've got news for McCain- drugs are illegal, but people still do them. Drinking and driving is illegal, but people get arrested for DUIs every day. Drug trafficking is illegal, but it still happens. All it would mean is that a bunch of women would be getting abortions from most likely illegitimate doctors, possibly putting their lives in danger, much like they did before it was legal. Doctors who would be willing to perform the illegal abortion would risk jail time and losing their lisence. Abortions will still continue no matter what the law states. This is America- we find a way.

    July 31, 2008 at 1:04 pm |
  35. NateSC

    So what about women who are raped or sexually assualted. At the very least they should be protected. But knowing McCain he will outlaw it completely which would be a injustice against women.

    July 31, 2008 at 12:23 pm |
  36. Susan

    Any judicial nomination by a President to the Supreme Court has to be approved by a full vote of Congress first. Senator John McCain has stated that he would nominate justices that would interrupt the constitution as a living document.

    The constitution has been challanged many times, but its words have stood the test and has remained unchanged. A woman's right to choose will always be here as it is part of the constitution and the law of the land.

    With all due respect to Harvard Law School Professor, Laurence Tribe, I believe that his words speak of scare tactics aimed as women.


    July 31, 2008 at 12:15 pm |
  37. penny from North Carolina

    "McCain is a manic depressed guy out on the trail. We will soon be calling him "McCain the Maniac". Often depression is seen in Vietnam Veterans. It is seen in his media camp also because of all the flip flop they speak of

    July 31, 2008 at 10:57 am |
  38. Ken

    Laurence Tribe is a far left extremist. Not a surpise that left-leaning CNN chose him to interview and print.

    July 31, 2008 at 10:52 am |
  39. Sherri

    I am of a certain age- old enough to remember what reproductive repression women suffered prior to the time when Roe vs. Wade was being processed in the judicial system. I have tremendous fears should Sen.McCain become president. The puppets Pres. Bush empaneled on the Supreme Court will continue to parrot McCain's obvious predudice towards women and children in this country. I am pro choice- a concept that flavors many layers of being an American. The right to choose- your political afflication, your religious beliefs, where you live, what car you used to drive- prior to the present administration. Women suffered- many times losing their lives- because those who make laws in this country are men who are vehemently opposed to equality of the sexes. Back alley abortionists, black market birth control vendors, expensive trips to Sweden for legal abortions and birth control education. It was shameful and unnecessary. Women traveled 'underground' to Mexico, back alleys, clinics operated by compassionate physicians who put their licenses on the line. All the while- males were shrugging of reproductive responsibility- much the same as they do now in many instances. I fear for the women of these times- we should move forward. I think statistics have proven that just because the legal mechanism exists for abortion- not every pregnant woman- no matter the circumstances- chooses to have one. In fact- now we have being pregnant the newest act to emulate among those who wish to be like the 'celebrities' they see in the media. Perhaps if the supreme court were to outlaw a right that men hold- oh, let's see now- voting, owning property in their own name- that might be an attention getter. Or-perhaps mandatory sterilization for men who have fathered two children. Paints a picture in your mind, does it not? I can only speak for myself- but should Sen. McCain become president, and should he work to overturn Roe vs. Wade- I will 'be live at five' as much as I possibly can to protest this travesty foisted upon women.

    July 31, 2008 at 9:56 am |
  40. Stephanie, NOLA

    I do not believe that Roe v. Wade will ever be overterned because it protects the doctors from being arrested for murder and doctor's certainly have more weight with the government then women in general.

    Sadly, laws aren't based on morality.

    July 31, 2008 at 8:42 am |
  41. Ayse - London

    People are referring to Obama as the self styled presumtuous president because it sells in both ways. Republicans hate it and it gives them alot of air time to spin their view in a controvesial way . It also suits the Dems because it is a positivity boost . I do not recall ever hearing the words 'presumptive President' spoken from Obama's mouth.

    Politics is presumptuous for the people who are too lazy to read newspapers/magazines/blogs or watch tv. One could refer to some journalists and bloggers as presumtuous leaders on ethics and morality, when in fact some simply aim to shock and distort stories.

    July 31, 2008 at 8:32 am |
  42. Cindy

    Is Roe vs. Wade such a big deal now? We have SO many other major problems going on that it shouldn't be. I mean really there are SO many types of contraception out these days even the morning after pill that abortion shouldn't even be an issue. There shouldn't even be a need for it. People need to take responsibility for their actions. You can go to the health department and get birth control for free so there is no excuse. People need to grow up!


    July 31, 2008 at 8:24 am |