Political director, The Huffington Post
The Sunday after the California Supreme Court issued their historic opinion matching Massachusetts in declaring the State’s ban on same sex marriage as inconsistent with that State’s constitution Peggy Noonan was a Sunday show guest. No middle of the road pundit she. I was surprised by her response when asked about the impact of the court’s decision. “I was struck by the silence,” she said. “People just don’t seem to care about this issue anymore. The nation has truly changed”
I am certain I never started a blog post in my entire career with a quote from Peggy Noonan. We don’t agree on much. But on this we certainly agree. Same sex marriage just doesn’t seem to be that big a deal in the political world this year. I am sure that plans are being made by the Republican Party across the country to try and surreptitiously exploit California marriages and their ensuing impact across the states in the fall elections. But the key point here is that they must be quiet. This is not a nation that tolerates intolerance anymore. And when the Conservative Vice President’s daughter has a baby with her lesbian lover, it sure doesn’t work as a partisan issue swatted about in the media.
Contrast the silence on the political scene with the joy being felt in the hearts of Californians waiting for their turn at the alter over the next few months. My inbox is flooded with wedding announcements, one more joyful, heartfelt and urgent than the next.
The urgency of course is that Tony Perkins, tonight’s guest on AC360°, is desperate for public disapproval of same sex marriage. He is not just desperate for their views (and granted in polling the country is split) but he needs people to care more about the “threat” of same sex marriage than they do about the economy or the war in Iraq. Because it is only if they care more about stopping same sex marriage than ANY other issue (unless they like corporate tax cuts) will they vote for the Republicans on the ballot in November. That just seems unlikely, Tony. People may not really want gays and lesbians to marry but they just don’t care as much as you need them to to do anything about it.
And to rub salt in the wounds of Tony and his allies are the leading members of his own party, Senator John McCain and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. McCain led the fight against President Bush’s constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. While he has since repudiated much of the rationale of his past behavior, he sure doesn’t want his hypocrisy unveiled regularly by making this a big Presidential issue. And in California, it is unlikely that the people will overturn the decision at the ballot box when their own republican Governor says that same sex marriage is great for the economy in California and he has no intention of trying to stop it.
Soon, the quiet we are hearing will be transformed into wedding bells across the country.
I understand where your coming from and I feel your pain. I am not against Gays in any way, shape or form. I am against the Supreme Court ruling on an issue that affects the Majority in favour of the Minority! I have Gay friends and value their friendships. It is the way this issue was mishandled that ires many.
To give Gays the right to marry it is not necessary to change the wording of the Marriage Certificate! It is not necessary to remove the word Husband, Wife, Father, Mother. It is not necessary to have the same marriage certificate used for centuries adopted to fit our Gay society. They could have issued and instated another marriage certificate legaizing these unions and would allow the majority to
maintain the marriage certificate that has been in force for centuries!
It is the crass, indifference, injust measures used by the Supreme Court that has caused this issue to be a volatile debate. It is not hatred towards Gays that is at the core of this issue for me. It is the sacristy of marriage that the majority still feel attached to and hold dear that has instigated this uproar! And the Supreme Court should have embodied more respect for those they knew believe Marriage to be a Sacred Union. Regardless of the Divorce Rates, Broken Homes, etc. it is a State of Union and Sacred Union that has been recognized as such for centuries. The Supreme Court is way out of line and way off the map. They've driven a rod through Democracy instead of finding a solution that would have been acceptable to all.
"Marriage, civil unions, its just semantics." Say WUT?
It might be just semantics to you but it is not just semantics to the majority! It is a legal union of a man and a woman and what has always been a union blessed by God and State, for the purpose of sharing a life together and PRODUCING off spring.
It is a union that has been a state of societies since the beginning of time. It is a family union and bond that cements societies as communities and a part of the whole.
What the HEY has our world come to when a Court of a few men and women can dismantle in a day what has been in force for centuries?
And what the HEY has our world come to when a minority of people have the right to strip away the fabric of families across a Nation to appease their will?
SEMANTICS! It's the will of a few stripping away the rights of the masses that have been in force for centuries, all for their own personal gain, satisfaction and need to be included ! So let's just reword, reassemble, reassess, totally revamp this century old state of union so it reads, implies, ascertains what the minority feel comfortable with and let the Majority pound sand if they don't like it!
You better beware people. If the Supreme can rule on this they will rule on every other fabric of your lives at their will!
Wow, concerning the fact that USA always takes pride in being the country with most liberties and human rights, it is rather funny to see and read what a "problem" these gay marriages still are for all of the states there... what a hypocrisy! It's gonna turn out people are more liberal and understanding in other parts of the world where it was totally unimaginable...
I think that People have other things to worry about instead of gay marriage. Gay couples are fighting for rights that are deserved. They just want the right to get the benefits of loved ones and to be recognized as anyone else in this country. People that are against this issue need to get over it. I don't think its anyone's business if two people of the same gender get married. So if your "straight", how would you feel to be denied to marry someone you love and care for??? I don't think you would like it. You would fight for your rights as an American. If your not in the situation of a gay person you won't understand the frustration to be denied a right that "Everyone in this nation should have EQUAL RIGHTS!". You people that are against this issue have other things to be worrying about. GET A LIFE!...There's a war!...Gas Crisis!...Food Cost!..Health Care!. Worry about things that are going to effect your life. Not people you don't know.
Poor Tony Perkins. He's floundering, scratching and clawing at the last vestiges of political sway he ever thought he held, strung out on the wrong side of history and wondering why he just can't seem to get people in a froth anymore by lying and distorting and creating fear.
Well the sky did not fall in Massachusetts in the years since gay weddings have been legal. They still have the lowest divorce rate in the nation– much lower than ANY of the Bible belt states. Has anyone heard even one straight couple say "Well we just don't want to get married anymore, since 'those people' are allowed to!"
Gay marriage does NOTHING at all to the institution of marriage, other than bring ten more percent of the population into the circle. The religious wingnuts, like John Hagee and Pat Robertson, are puzzled as to why the rest of us are not paying them attention anymore. They don't even realize how insane they sound and what a joke they've become to everyone when they said things like Katrina was God's wrath for New Orleans' gay pride, and too many crackpot statements to list here.
I'm just so proud to call California home. And hey, my partner of 27 years and I will be getting married soon, and you're all invited! Maybe more people will come to understand that it's about people falling in love with each other, that being gay is not all about sex. We have the same emotions you have and our love is every bit as strong and beautiful as yours.
I dislike gene's comment but he does have freedom of speech. I how ever am very proud that our country can once again say we stand for equal right for all and can use our influence around the world to help women get educated in certain countries and let people who are oppress raise. Josh's Comment was funny and right. My mother married twice and my father 3 times and is working on his 4th marriage is corrupt already so what is the big deal we have bigger issues that actually hurt EVERY America other then a small good of bigots, social conservatives, and racist. Oh and Sean I think your comment was very John McKaine-ish do not forget some gay bashers kill gay people and keep the from more then just marriage jobs, housing, soical groups, and even some universities You make the opposition seem so innocent.
I'm glad to see that couples can be married- no matter what their sexual preference. That America as a whole is more tolerant is something to be applauded, not shunned. To those that oppose it- think of it this way, would you, after years of knowing someone and being in love, want to see the court doors slammed shut in your face? No. No one is forcing straight people to marry same-sex partners, so it should not effect those that disagree with it.
Congrads to all my California friends who will be married today, after years of fighting and struggle.
I was one of many in CA to gather signatures to get
the marriage between a man and a woman bill on the ballot and
passed into law. It was done once, and it can be done again! It is
wrong for a few judges to overturn that law. Don't Checks and
Balances apply to all branches of government; Doesn't it apply to
all levels of government? It should! God loves everyone; we need
to have an awareness of God, His attributes, HIs love and forgiveness, and our place in eternity.
Between now and the election, gay Californians will get married, and opponents might note with relief that the moon will not ignite, nor the sun collapse, nor the oceans vanish. The world at large will go on generally as messed up as before, though no worse, and now, with a little more freedom for some citizens in California. After 4.5 months, maybe opponents will recognize that no harm has come to them even as their fellow citizens were allowed to live their dreams. Maybe then they'll see that gay marriage is no threat, and it makes some good people happy. Maybe then charity and compassion will convince them to simply ignore the issue in November. Naive? Maybe, but I'd like to have some faith in the good will of Californians.
For those who use the title "Christian", it would be nice if they acted as Christ would act. Christ was always at odds with the religious establishment of His day, spending His time with the social outcasts. Feed the poor, heal the sick, clothe the needy, love your neighbor (all of them not just pick and choose"and treat them as you would expect them to treat you, these are what He taught, not discrimination, intolerance and hatred. Marriage equality is an issue of fairness. When someone says that God created marriage, they don't know what they are talking about. Man created marriage and expected God to sanction it. Gays are about the last group of people that can be discriminated against or controled and the opposition is desparate to hang on to that power and control.
This ought to be a day of mourning and repentance in the land for such ungodly acts that are even against nature itself. I never thought I would seed the day when people would call evil good and good evil, but that day has arrived. which lets me know we are one day closer to the second coming of our Lord and Savoiour Jesus Christ. Then we will see which court has the final say and power.
Gordon Richardson, and embarrassed Californian
I always wonder why anti-gay people CARE so much about this.
Look, I'm straight, I'm in the Army, I'm an Alpha Male. And I simply do not care what other people do in their own beds, as long as their doing it with consenting, mentally competant adults.
Isn't that freedom? Isn't that America?
Or are we to bow to bedroom Nazis?
There is NOTHING in the Constitution about marriage. And those who have problems with gay marriage have problems due to, mostly , their religious beliefs.
Well, guess what. If religious belief were law, we'd be like...Afghanistan.
I am disgusted with all these religious and right-wing freaks who somehow claim that THEY are really what America is all about, when in fact what they are for is THEOCRACY.
Live and let live, good people.
For all you decrying the "Liberal" Supreme Court of California. The majority of Judges VOTING FOR same sex marriages are REPUBLICANS appointed by REPUBLICAN governors!
I'm glad some Republicans care about equal rights for all. Good for them.
Congratulations to all who wish to and now can marry.
Gay marriage is one more major sign that the USA is in moral decline. Natural disasters, loss of respect and influence worldwide, economic disaster, turning from God and his good news, apathy, all point to the decadence and immoralilty griping most Americans and this country. Face it, we are in a rapid decline, ala Fall of the Roman Empire. People who ignore absolute rights and wrongs will answer to God.
The most concerning issue of the whole thing to me is that the judges overturned the majority vote. If the majority votes their local political leaders out of office, can they appeal and have that overturned as well? What else can they overturn?
If you though that every vote should have been recounted in Florida during the last couple of elections, lets take a look at this situation. The vote is clearly in the majority in one direction and it is overturned. Will this set a precedent for the future?
The state of California should be concerned with way more than just gay marriage! These rulings are unjustly brought against the will of the people. Its not politically driven or they would side with the majority. What other hidden agendas do they have?
Congrats for the gays!!
If all is required for marriage is for people to love each other in a commited relationship, heck why stop there!! Let polgamy reign!!!
Shoot, if a mother wants to marry her son, a grandfather to his granddaughter/grandson, according to the logic behind gay marriage, that's OK too!!
"Will of the People". "Will of the Majority". "Moral Beliefs". "Silent Majority". "State's Rights." "Popular Vote".
The same phrases have been used to discriminate time and time again in a nation that prides itself on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Activist judges had to force the majority in many states to end Segregation and allow Interracial Marriage.
I don't even know any homosexuals, but I know right from wrong. The majority takes a long time to figure it out.
To comment that any silence is approval is ridiculous. Most of us who disapprove realize that we are without a voice. I voted against this in California and now have had my voice overturned by a court that consistently misinterprets the constitution. As the United States becomes more secular those of us with any spiritual belief are marginalized and villified. I am tolerant of relationships between those of the gay, lesbian, and transgendered community, but to call it marriage as is disgrace to the definition of marriage. Further, I find little tolerance for my views in the community to which I am tolerant.
If anyone thinks homosexual weddings are a threat to the sanctity of marriage, what do they think about Heterosexual divorce?
As for courts who override the demands of the electorate, there was a day when the Supreme Court told white voters in some states they couldn't have apartheid anymore (we didn't call it that, but that's what we called it in South Africa thirty years later). Now those courts look courageous and smart.
You can keep your country club. Your David Duke way of thinking will get you no where. Incidentally, David Duke is a Republican everyone.
I agree with most of the comments posted here. The real threat to the institution of marriage does not lie with GLBT people. It lies within the rest of us. Families don't sit down and talk anymore. Kids grow up without 2 solid parental figures. Couples seem to be more individualistic. The family has become stationary and hasn't evolved with the changing times. I come from a home where my mother was the only parental figure. There are many issues yet to be resolved from this imbalance of family, and gay marriage isn't an issue.
So to those who have tied the knot, you have my support. Congrats, you'll probably do better than the rest of us.
Let them eat cake
Isn't it about time? America is finally getting with the program!
The gay/lesbians don't want anything more or less than the rest of us, and that's the right to marry the one they love.
If someone doesn't believe in gay marriage, that's their right, but preventing someone else (a minority group in this case) from having that right, is not the way things are supposed to be in a free society.
We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.
All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.
In the premortal realm, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshiped God as their Eternal Father and accepted His plan by which His children could obtain a physical body and gain earthly experience to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize his or her divine destiny as an heir of eternal life. The divine plan of happiness enables family relationships to be perpetuated beyond the grave. Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally.
The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.
We declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.
Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children. “Children are an heritage of the Lord” (Psalms 127:3). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, to teach them to love and serve one another, to observe the commandments of God and to be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations.
The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.
We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.
We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.
You all seem to not understand that even if people don't like gay marriage it doesn't matter. People didn't like interracial Marriage, but because of the equal protection clause the only way it can be denied and not deemed unconstitutional is if you amend the constitution. It amuses me that all these people are so afraid of Me and my partner of 10 years. Gay Marriage has been going on in Massachusetts for 4 years now and in other parts of the world for much longer and yet we are all still here. The Sky hasn't fallen, Massachusetts hasn't been destroyed by some god who according to most in this country for some reason cares about Gays and the outcome of sporting events. WHen will you open your eyes and start focusing all this energy you use to hate and discriminate against people to actually do some good in this world. Because lets be honest this is really about you losing your right to hate, your right to discriminate, and your right to feel superior. Two people devoting their lives to one another is a beautiful thing. In a world so torn apart by hatred and divisiveness it amazes me that the people who want to proclaim how wonderful and loving their religion is are the ones who are truly tearing this country apart. Fight the real fights. Their are people being slaughtered all over the globe and you are more concerned about two men loving each other. Shame on you.
If a state's population voted to ban interracial marriage, and that state's supreme court overturned the law, is that "going against the will of the people?" Just a thought.
It's the government's job to protect people from being oppressed by religion, and banning same-sex marriage is blatant religious oppression. I salute California for respecting the values of democracy.
People can be so small minded and short sighted that they can't see the warts on their own noses.
It took the "activism" of the US Supreme Court in 1967 to rule that laws banning interracial marriage, which voters in many states had placed on the books, were unconstitutional. Heck, it wasn't until the early 1990's that laggard states even bothered to remove those laws from their books.
Without the action of the Supreme Court, interracial marriage would probably still be banned in some states. Do you all think that it should have waited for the actions of the voters?
Learn a little about US history, you idiots, before spouting off as supposed constitutional experts!
Maybe some of you didn't get the memo, but courts aren't there to uphold the will of the majority – they're there to uphold and interpret the Constitution. One of the primary roles of the Constitution is to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. The majority does NOT get their way if it goes against the provisions of the Constitution.
I'm all for gay marriage. I think everybody should have an equal opportunity to be miserable.
I get a kick out of all you straight people discussing whether or not I should have the same rights as you. You have no idea what it is like to be told that you are less than, not good enough, disgusting, and not worthy of participating in our culture. California has taken a huge step to eliminate that stigma. My partner and I plan on getting married before November, and I am proud to be a part of this historic moment.
May God have mercy on the United States!
People think that they still have a right to discriminate against gay people because that is what their "religion and religious figures" tell them.
It is sad when just this week in SC a man got a slap on the wrist for killing a gay man while yelling homophobic slurs. His punishment was 3 years in jail with almost a year forgiven.
So to say gay marriage doesn't matter to most in this country, you are forgetting we live in America where not everyone is Free and many are hated just because they were born gay.
My Steve died in January of a horrible accident. We won't be getting married in San Francisco again. But we were married for ten wonderful years in our hearts and in our community of faith. What is so surprising to me is that tonght, for the fist time in my life, I feel like a first class citizen of California. I can hold a job, pay taxes, and have a family just like a straight guy ... no difference what so ever. I am a first class citizen. It feels strange. It feels wonderful!
Over the last decade we have seen the crumbling of the anti-gay political lobby, and the pieces continue to fall. You could see and hear the desperation on Tony's face on CNN tonight. Get over it. Whether people 'like' gays or not, most of the country is coming around to the realization that GLBT people are here, they are likely born that way, they are in relationships, and gay marriage has little to no effect on society at large. Yawn. Anybody got $65 to fill up my gas tank?
Given the laughing-stock that the institution of marriage has become in the heterosexual community, I don't think anyone has the right to deny homosexual couples this opportunity. The only thing that bothers me about this, and other situations, is the increasing willingness of the courts to override the demands of the electorate. I doubt California will overturn it with an amendment but you can bet other states are already setting those wheels in motion. Best wishes to all – Steve
Yet another example of the Supreme Courts abusing their power to interpret the law and overturn popular vote. Gay marriage is not an issue I personally agree with, and I'll always condemn it. I do however, think that the people of California should be the one making this decision through legislation and voting...not Supreme Court's forcing their own agendas.
If and when the people of California vote this in, so be it. There's not much left to do for this nation anymore but pray anyway.
Do not let the silence fool you. Much of it is due to disgust.
Wrong! "All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing".
You mistake silence for apathy when that is not the case. I call it "shock" as again our liberal courts decide to change the will of the people. It is so mind boggling that you even use the word split when even even in a liberal state as California the past vote was what? 62% against same sex marriages? That to many is a clear mandate completely ignored by the Cal. Supreme Court. I am saddened by our lack of morality, conviction and ashamed to be American. And you know what is so pathetic about those that just want to profess their "love", be normal and have the freedom to do and think what they want? The complete and utter disregard and venom used against those who have the moral fiber and conviction to hold to their beliefs and not perform these marriages. Real freedom of thought and equality there!
I am very proud to be from California right now. This is a great step forward. Congratulations to all of you getting married. YAY!!
Activist judges and renegade Presidents have deprived individual states of their rights to keep slaves, maintain separation between the races, and prevent interracial marriage (an obvious abomination).
And now this.
Pretty soon they'll be forcing me to let Jews and Catholics into my country club. I shudder to think of what happens after that.
"Tradition" is always the last excuse for legalized discrimination.
I just saw Tony Perkins claim that "only a small, vocal minority of homesexuals (yes!!!)" support this "radical" change in the marriage law. This guy is delusional!
Wow,welldone America.Congrats for ur advancements and civil liberties.What next? When are u going to legalize marriages with ur moms,daughters and sisters?
Marriage, civil unions, its just semantics. People who love each other are going to find a way to be together whatever the law may be. And no, its not that important an issue right now with the economy tanking, and the war dragging on but it will come up again.
The country has been on a decline for the past eight years with this current Administration. It's already gone to hell in a hand basket. Gay marriage should be a non-issue given the housing and credit crisis, cost of fuel, and rising food costs among other issues.
I really don't care about same-sex marriage.
The economy and Iraq is prioirty number one!
To all those lesbian and gay couples who can now get married in Caloifornia, CONGRATULATIONS!! I hope the rest of the country follows suit.
We are living in a much different country than years past. Good for this country! Far be it for anyone to tell other people who they may love and marry. But, soon we may possibly witness women paying women alimony, and men paying men child support. Welcome to the wonderful world of marriage.
Have there been any dire circumstances arising as a result of gay marriage in the states and countries where it's legal? No, I didn't think so. Looks like Tony Perkins and his ilk will have to come up with another method of "scaring" people into voting Republican in November.
Congrats to all of the same sex couples who can now marry in California.
Gay marriage is still a big deal for a lot of people...probably more than you can imagine. It is just that with our economy in shambles the gay marriage issue has taken a back seat for now.
And no one caring anymore is why some clerks aren't performing marriages at all in CA. That's also why a petition was signed so the repeal of this can be brought to a vote in November in CA (and the governor's opinion doesn't matter to them). I guess it's also a non-issue when gay marriage still isn't accepted in this nation overall. And why the Anglican Church is investigating the marriage of two priests to each other against church law. And why when my cousin who is HIV-positive is in the hospital and medical decisions have to be made his partner has no say in those decisions because their relationship isn't recognized in their home state. And why his son was devastated in high school when his friends found out his father was gay, told him, and then left him to deal with the fallout. And why GBLT men and women still hide in the closet for fear of the backlash professionally, in their communities, and personally if they out themselves. And finally, it's so open that my 19-year old cousin committed suicide last August because he realized he was gay and couldn't accept it in a world that he knew would never fully accept him. Be delusional that all is well. What's happening in CA today is amazing in those counties where it's being allowed to happen. But for those of us who've waited for the day when those we love who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgendered are completely seen as equal by this nation and this world, well we're still waiting. And they are, too.
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