Let’s forget about the spin on all sides and not use any adjectives to modify the following 10 Facts that should not be in dispute:
1. Hillary Clinton won by 10%, 220,000 votes, despite after most of the polls in the last several weeks on RealClearPolitics, including its RCP all-poll average, showed her ahead by single digits and dropping. The exit polls showed her winning by +5. (It’s easy to forget that she won if you listen to the Obama spinners last night and today. Believe it or not, Pennsylvania’s Rep. Murphy, a freshman congressman who supported Barack Obama, actually said last night on Larry King that Senator Obama did so well in losing to Senator Clinton yesterday that he has a “wind at his back.” I am not kidding.
2. Senator Obama tried hard to win the state, campaigned intensely throughout the state for most of the last six weeks — and was trying to win, not just lose a narrow margin.
3. He spent $11 million on media — about three times more than Senator Clinton.
4. Most of his ads were personal negative attack ads against Senator Clinton, meaning attacks on her character and integrity.
5. There were no personal attack ads run by Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania
6. Barack Obama hasn’t won a single major industrial state that historically constitute the key “battleground” states for both parties, i.e., the states in the last three or four presidential elections have switched back and forth between the Democratic and Republican presidential candidates.
7. The reason that he lost can be found in the demographic data: He lost — and Senator Clinton won — by substantial margins blue collar and middle class white voters earning under $50,000 a year, senior citizens, rural voters, Hispanic voters, and women voters — all core constituencies in the Democratic base that must be won if a Democrat is to win the White House. For example, yesterday in Pennsylvania she won Roman Catholics by 32 percent (66034), union households by 18% (59-41), and those most concerned about the economy by 16 points (58-42). Only 60 percent of Democratic Catholic voters said they would vote for Mr. Obama in a general election.
8. Barack Obama has lost these same demographic groups in Massachusetts, Ohio, Texas, California and New Jersey and other major states that Senator Clinton won. There is a factual pattern of his weakness among these demographic groups in virtually every primary state that cannot be disputed.
9. Barack Obama is in a statistical dead heat with John McCain in Massachusetts. A recent Survey USA poll of registered voters found 48% backed Senator Obama vs. 46% for Senator McCain — within the margin of error. The same poll showed Senator Clinton with a 15% lead over McCain. The last time a Democrat did not win Massachusetts by a substantial margin was 1980, when Ronald Reagan defeated Jimmy Carter. Even in the historic landslide election of Richard Nixon in 1972, when he won 49 states, only Massachusetts supported Senator McGovern. Senator Obama currently runs considerably behind Senator McCain in Florida and Ohio, while Senator Clinton is ahead in both of those key battleground states.
10. Current polls show Senator Clinton runs ahead of John McCain nationally or dead even — and Senator Obama runs only dead even. For example, in the most recent USA Today national general election poll, Senator Clinton leads Senator McCain by +6; Senator Obama leads by less than the margin of error, +2.
Those are the facts. To all superdelegates: you decide who is riskier as a general election candidate. The candidate whose negatives, driven by the right-wing hate machine in the 1990s in particular, are all out there and already taken into account. Or a candidate who is still virtually unknown to most of the electorate, with Republicans clearly looking forward to filling in the blanks with the facts about his record, of which many general election voters still are not aware.
Lanny J. Davis
Friend of Senator Hillary Clinton,
and fundraiser for her presidential campaign
| Taj |
April 23rd, 2008 3:07 pm ET There goes Lanny again. Lanny you are stuck up with Hillary. Why? |
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| Bev Tn of Tonawanda NY |
April 23rd, 2008 3:10 pm ET Lanny: I watched you last night on Larry King Live. It is so refreshing to see and hear someone who KNOWS HRC PERSONALLY and can rebute all the lies and negative media reports about her. Keep up the good work. I am sure you will be hearing from the Clinton haters shortly. |
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| Bernice Autry |
April 23rd, 2008 3:18 pm ET Why can’t each canditate just say what their ideas of leading our country will be. How to get us out of the mess of the economy and gas prices. the people that need to pay for the forclosures is the people that got rich giving the loans to people with bad credit. The government does not need to bail out these people. They knew they could not afford to buy a house. I don’t even want to vote this year they all make me unhappy with their lies and really no plan. Thank you, I feel a little better now that I am at least voicing my opinion whether it is right or wrong. |
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| Marty |
April 23rd, 2008 3:27 pm ET The whole Democratic primary really is too divided right now and I would like some persepective on an issue that holds some validity or at least I think so. If Obama wins the delegate count, popular vote and number of states, but Hillary gets the nod because of “electability”. Being that I voted for Obama my first thought is “So my vote doesn’t matter”? I am afraid to say there would be a very large number of people who voted for Obama that would be for lack of a better word “bitter” and not vote at all and how could you possibly blame them. I know I wouldn’t. I think the numbers that are out there now showing Hillary ahead of McCain (6%) reflect her winning the Democratic nomination outright. Should she somehow be nominated with Obama winning the primary (stranger things have happened and this is a Clinton we are talking about), I really believe that Percentage would change because I do not think anyone has really addressed it in this aspect. |
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| Debbie, NJ |
April 23rd, 2008 3:30 pm ET Well NY times tends to disagree about who was more negative. Here is part of the article. Fresh off her victory in Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton is facing a stinging rebuke of her campaign tactics from her hometown paper, The New York Times. In the paper’s Wednesday edition, the editorial board which endorsed Clinton’s White House bid earlier this year says the New York senator’s “negativity” is doing “harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election.” “The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it,” the board writes. The paper finds fault in Clinton’s latest campaign ad, which includes an image of Osama bin Laden, and asks, “Who do you think has what it takes?” “Mrs Clinton became the first Democratic candidate to wave the bloody shirt of 9/11,” they write, adding that it is a tactic that is “torn right from Karl Rove’s playbook.” |
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| Lorie Ann, Buellton, California |
April 23rd, 2008 3:31 pm ET All I hear is that the Democrats, in the end, will rally behind the Democratic nominee. That they just love both candidates. Lorie Ann, Buellton, Calif. |
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| Debbie, NJ |
April 23rd, 2008 3:33 pm ET John McCain and the Rep are after Obama because he is a threat to the Rep getting back in office. They have so much dirt on Hillary and unlike Obama will throw it at her. She will loose the election in Nov. |
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| Too Much Drama!! |
April 23rd, 2008 3:37 pm ET Settle Down Lanny, |
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| bob toano virginia |
April 23rd, 2008 3:41 pm ET Lanny your facts don’t hold up 1) She didn’t win by 10% or double digits, or 220 votes. She won by 9.4% which isn’t double digits and won by about 216k votes. Get your numbers straight |
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| Megan O. Toronto, ON, Canada |
April 23rd, 2008 3:45 pm ET Lanny, point number 5 is absolutely incorrect. That is not a fact and your list doesn’t prove anything your bias for Senator Clinton. That’s a fact!!!! |
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| jeremy |
April 23rd, 2008 3:55 pm ET #4 and 5 are the craziest things I have ever seen written. I live in Pennsylvania, and I saw only one negative attack by Obama, and that was in response to some of the most ridiculous negative attack ads I have ever seen in my life. Perhaps you should open your eyes. Furthermore, Obama had to climb an uphill battle against a political base that was unlikely to shift much in the first place. Bearing that in mind, Obama crushed Billary…oh, and by the way, spinmeisters, it wasn’t 10%, it was almost, about 9.5, but not quite there. By the way, of course he was trying to win, but coming from such a huge deficit is also a pretty good second place. The only way left for her to win is to steal it through SDs, who don’t represent a constituency. And if that happens, I vote McCain. |
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| Paul Morabito |
April 23rd, 2008 4:03 pm ET The Democratic race is based on proportionate allocation of delegates by voting, but the Presidential race (and most GOP primaries) are winner take all. What happens when you take the Electoral Votes of the states Clinton has won vs that of Obama ? Who wins then ? |
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| Bill Oh Really |
April 23rd, 2008 4:04 pm ET Hillary is not up in the clouds like Obama but is down to earth and rolling up her sleeves to git the job done. Hillary is the candidate for the working people. |
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| Lisa |
April 23rd, 2008 4:18 pm ET Why not remain quiet on the subject until the final primary in June is held. That way, all the jostling can begin for who should be the Dem nominee. For either to drop out, it penalizes those states who have yet to vote. While I really don’t care at this point which of the 2 is the nominee (and remember, Edwards has yet to throw his count to one side or the other), I strongly urge those in the DNC (and RNC) to review the primary process and truly make it fair to ALL citizens of voting age in this country. Usually by this time, as with the current Republican primary, the candidate has been “chosen”. It leaves the remaining states without a say in who their party’s candidate should be. As for superdelegates, they need to be done away with. There needs to be on 5 primaries (10 states at 1/month) or a Super Primary Tuesday where all 50 states vote at once. Let the primary run its course. At the end, after the convention, Dems will come together as we have a common cause — to defeat the Republican nominee. Regardless of how any of us feel about the candidates, another 4-8 years of status quo politics is not going to be good for us. |
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| Roger |
April 23rd, 2008 4:20 pm ET Wow, Lanny. Spin much? 4 and 5 almost made me fall from my chair. You’re Billary bootlicking does nothing but make you look retarded. We’ll see you in two weeks, when your saying how great it is to have Obama as our Democratic nominee. |
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| Christy |
April 23rd, 2008 4:34 pm ET Because she only needs industrial states to win the general election. Have you forgotten about the 11 in a row she lost? Or wait…I remember those states and those demographics don’t matter to Senator Clinton. Let’s not forget Missouri and Wisconsin which Obama won. I see another Obama streak coming. She is already playing down how important North Carolina is because she doesn’t stand a chance. Maybe you could write a top ten list telling the rest of the states why they don’t matter and the 11 in a row she lost, you can explain that to them too. She has no money, she’s 9 million in debt. Even if she does raise 10 million dollars in 24 hours, she’s still only a million up with looonnnnggg way to go through her own selfishness and stubborness. There is always a spike after a primary contest and it will die down as it always has with her. Even taking money from PAC’s and Lobbyists can’t help her. Funny how Clinton can’t get the people of America to invest in her, believe in her the way Obama can. She can save the whole “let’s wait for the voters to decide” machine. We’ve spoken and she lost. |
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| Tammy |
April 23rd, 2008 4:39 pm ET All this infighting in the Democratic Party is just sad. You people prove more and more each day that you will be the demise of your own party this November. Can anyone say political implosion? |
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| Marty |
April 23rd, 2008 5:27 pm ET Plain and simple though is that Obama is in a commanding lead in the delegate count for the nomination. And the honest truth is that barring something catastrophic he will be running against McCain in November. The only thing that the negative campaiging between Clinton and Obama is doing right now is dividing party. The last thing we need regardless of the nomination is resentment that causes people not to vote. I think these 2 on the same ticket in November absolutely 100% ruins any chance at a McCain victory. How did that saying go in “The Cannonball Run”? “If you’re gonna be a bear, be a Grizzly”! HAHAHAHAHAHA |
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| Linda, Boulder |
April 23rd, 2008 6:25 pm ET The more time passes, the more people move beyond the, “Gee, he makes me feel warm and fuzzy when he speaks,” and begin to look hard at him. People are asking the hard questions: Can he win? People are realizing he is not ready to campaign in a hard election (he has never had to), nor is he ready to lead this country. It is a crucial time in our country. We need Hillary this time around. Obama can mature a little, and try again later — he’s young. This is too important to take a chance on not winning in November. |
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| Larry |
April 23rd, 2008 6:26 pm ET It is really scary to see how much Barack has to depend on the African-American vote in his effort to unite ALL Americans. |
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| Margot Buchalter |
April 23rd, 2008 6:28 pm ET It’s a doggone shame that Barack Obama did not win PA. BO supporters, be honest with yourselves and step back for just a minute and really digest these facts and stop hating on Lanny. He outspent Hillary by far and always have, in conjunction with all the free and very favorable publicity CNN and all the other TV networks invested in him in addition to the print media, he should have won, BUT HE DID NOT. Coupled with all that, the cable networks including CNN threw Senator Clinton under the bus many times over in order to maximize Barack’s winning abilities, it’s a wonder Hillary is still standing. Want to know why? she’s resilient and a bonafide champion. Her resolve has been tested over and over, and yet still she keeps rising. No matter how critical the media is of Hillary, she takes it like a champ and still keeps on going. That’s the kind of leader that America needs, not a whiner whose feathers get ruffled very easily when the tough questions are asked. So why are you hating on Lanny? He is only looking at the stark realities in this race. A very good and critical question for the super delegates — with all of the strong financial backing that BO supporters handed him, in addition to the heavy campaigning and the negative ads, why hasn’t BO carry not one historical major state critical in this race? I still say BO is not ready. And if he does wind up with the nomination, then we might as well prepare the way for another four-year reign of terror in the person of the future President John McCain. |
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| Patsy Rheam |
April 23rd, 2008 6:29 pm ET I support Hillary and I am a lifelong Democrat that will absolutely NOT vote for Obama. He is not ready to run this country and his wife is very offensive to me. She seems to talk down to us. |
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| Marty |
April 23rd, 2008 6:35 pm ET Megan from Canada supports Hillary because Hillary supports CAFTA. |
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| Joseph Kowalski, North Huntingdon, PA |
April 23rd, 2008 6:43 pm ET Barack Obama’s weakness isn’t his weakness…it’s the weakness of the American people who cannot look past race and elect the best candidate, and instead, continue to elect a “dynasty” into the office of President. The Bushs and Clintons have brought this nation to it’s lowest point ever, and I can’t believe they want to continue the downward decline built on lies, deceit, and dirty politics.. Obama never stood a chance in Pennsylvania because Governor Rendell was correct in his opinion on race and politics in Pennsylvania. By narrowing the gap to 9.4% from near 30% of two months ago was a huge feat in itself. I live in Pennsylvania and almost all of the negative politics was coming from the Clinton campaign and their supporters. In my opinion, for Obama to “close the deal”, he must go just as negative as Clinton because unfortunately in this country, the lowest common denominator wins in politics. In other words, you have to play as dirty as your opponent because mud sticks, and people fall for it every time. |
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| Pam Lewis |
April 23rd, 2008 7:18 pm ET Hillary has been taking notes from the Obama playbook. Have you noticed lately that she has stopped using her favorite pronoun, ‘I”. She sounds more and more like Barack, the more she campaigns. It would really be fun to run some of her earlier speeches next to the speeches she has been making of late. She is also learning how to use the internet to raise funds as Obama has been doing all along. |
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| Linda, Boulder |
April 23rd, 2008 7:36 pm ET Joseph: Obama ran negative ads in PA; not Hillary. |
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| Jocely Emile |
April 23rd, 2008 7:37 pm ET I think Lanny J. Davis is having a senior moment. One thing Lanny need to know if Obama win the nomination which he will he will win the nomination fair and square. Jocely |
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| Jocely Emile |
April 23rd, 2008 7:41 pm ET For Hillary Clinton to say the republican will beat Obama just like George H. W. Bush beat Michael Dukakis show two things. Step one she don’t know her history or she is playing the American people to picture Obama with a picture in order to confuse the voters. Jocely |
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| Rob |
April 23rd, 2008 7:42 pm ET I am so tired of Hillary supporters bashing and calling Barack out on going negative. Lets not forget there is over 20 years of baggage in the Clinton closet without involving Bill. So if you want the Obama camp to go negative, are you ready for the can or worms that they can unleash? It is plain and simple that Hillary is not prepared to accept defeat at any cost. She is probably working on a scheme once all super deligates have voted and she is still; BEHIND IN TOTAL VOTES, BEHIND IN SUPER DELIGATES, BEHIND IN THE POPULAR VOTE AND BEHIND IN TOTAL STATES WON. HLLARY, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN. yOU HAVE ALREADY LOST, YOU JUST CAN’T ACCEPT IT |
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| Chris - Hemet, Ca. |
April 23rd, 2008 7:42 pm ET Lanny, let me give you my top ten reasons you’re an idiot!! |
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| OC Patriot |
April 23rd, 2008 7:43 pm ET Lanny, |
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| lb |
April 23rd, 2008 7:51 pm ET “ditto” Barack Obama’s weakness isn’t his weakness…it’s the weakness of the American people who cannot look past race and elect the best candidate, and instead, continue to elect a “dynasty” into the office of President. The Bushs and Clintons have brought this nation to it’s lowest point ever, and I can’t believe they want to continue the downward decline built on lies, deceit, and dirty politics.. Obama never stood a chance in Pennsylvania because Governor Rendell was correct in his opinion on race and politics in Pennsylvania. By narrowing the gap to 9.4% from near 30% of two months ago was a huge feat in itself. I live in Pennsylvania and almost all of the negative politics was coming from the Clinton campaign and their supporters. In my opinion, for Obama to “close the deal”, he must go just as negative as Clinton because unfortunately in this country, the lowest common denominator wins in politics. In other words, you have to play as dirty as your opponent because mud sticks, and people fall for it every time. SHE HAS NEVER DONE A THING FOR NY. NOT ONE THING |
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| Christine |
April 23rd, 2008 8:02 pm ET Megan from Canada loves Obama. I really wish she would leave her two cents out of our politics. The republicans want Obama to win because they know they will win the white house. Obama supporters are just too blind to see it. Hillary has already withstood the republican mud machine and is still standing. He will fall like a house of cards. |
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| shinesinthedark |
April 23rd, 2008 8:04 pm ET Looks like the people who will actually decide the election are sick of having Obama shoved down their throats by an adoring media. They love him the same way the loved the last “teflon guy”. Remember him? He gave us a new vegetable - ketchup. That’s because his only policy was “change”. |
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| Julliet |
April 23rd, 2008 8:06 pm ET I find it amazing how Hillary’s supporters are all over the place buzzing as if PA is the only state in this country. Do you remember when Obama was sweeping 11-0. Where were the Hillary supporters? All the blue collar workers and whites who make below $50.000 will vote for Obama in the general election when all is said and done. Now who is being fair, Lenny has a vicious hatred for Obama. I doubt if he will vote for Obama when he is becomes the Nominee. The sooner Hillary realises that she can’t win the nomination, the better for the democratic party. By the way see you in two weeks with the list of reasons why Hillary is gracefully bowing out. |
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| Michelle |
April 23rd, 2008 8:22 pm ET 1. Clinton won by less than 10%. Obama closed a big gap in a state that was pro-Hillary from the start. 2. Why wouldn’t Obama try to win the state while trying to close the gap. Everyone I know was hoping he would knock Hillary out of the race. We are sick of her negativity and smug selfishness. Hillary go away! 3. He spent money that was donated by regular folks contributing $25 a pop…many of the contributors contribute each month, as I do. Obama has to spend more than Hillary in a pro-HIllary state because she is the favorite and she is getting free press on FOX news…her demographic’s favorite station. 4. Why shouldn’t Obama respond to her attacks on his integrity and character. She has no integrity and character. This has been proven by her offensive negative attacks on Obama, the way she and Bill have ignited racial bias, the way she has changed her persona, voice, appearance and message many times, etc. I have no respect for HC or BC. I was glad Obama finally brought up a few of her flaws. He left out a lot of mud he could have slung at both the Clintons. 5. “There were no personal attack ads run by Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania” Yeah, right! That is the most inane statement I’ve heard in an election. Of course she ran personal attack ads…a T.V. ad with Bin Laden? Plus she and Bill know the subliminal code to use with racists. This is just like the high school female bully who always get away with cruelty because she is smart enough to hide what she is doing. 6. “Barack Obama hasn’t won a single major industrial state” True…the states with the most uneducated, racial biased, older voters and economically “bitter” do vote for Hillary. Enough said. 7. “The reason Obama lost can be found in the demographic data”. Yes, core constituencies are an issue. However, if Obama is the only democratic candidate I think those who are only marginally racially biased will vote for him against McCain. Everyone I know wants to vote for Obama and I live in the most conservative county in California. Obama will blow McCain out of the water. Plus 60 percent of the Democratic Catholic vote is a high number considering what has been playing in the press. The socially progressive Catholic church is pro-Obama and will back him 100%. 8. “Barack Obama has lost these same demographic groups in Massachusetts, Ohio, Texas, California and New Jersey.” True. See my points above. Clinton has lost almost the entire black vote and Obama has an incredibly loyal base of young people and “latte sippers” who will probably not vote for Clinton. Clinton made a mistake when she insulted white collar workers…they are computer savvy. 9. “Barack Obama is in a statistical dead heat with John McCain in Massachusetts.” That will change when Obama is the only democratic candidate and can run against McCain. 10. “Current polls show Senator Clinton runs ahead of John McCain nationally or dead even”. See #9. Lanny…Lanny…Lanny! |
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| Jodi |
April 23rd, 2008 9:32 pm ET Thanks, Lanny. Keep up the great work. |
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| Annie Kate |
April 23rd, 2008 9:33 pm ET The fight between Obama supporters and Clinton supporters appears to be more heated than the actual campaign itself. Just because you are sitting behind a computer screen with anonymity on these blogs does not mean that good manners can be thrown under the bus - it seems like the candidates (even Hilary) aren’t divisive - its their supporters that are. Lets remember we are all in this together and respect each other’s opinion - even Lanny’s. Annie Kate |
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| Luniam |
April 23rd, 2008 9:36 pm ET Why discuss all these negative things Obama. Can’t you people cheer up a bit and read some positive news for a change? Like the following news from CNN Politics cheered me up earlier today: “Democrats soldier on in fight for nomination” Can’t you see the difference, folks?. |
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| Dixie |
April 23rd, 2008 9:46 pm ET I think I can speak for the elderly voters since I am 67. The problem I see with Obama and the reason he is turning off older voters is his juvenile way of responding when she points out their differences. He tends to take a 7th grader approach and poke fun and try to get his large rally goers to laugh. The class clown is laughed at but not often taken seriously on important issues. If he would grow up and learn to answer in a mature way he might convince us that he is a serious candidate. Imagine the way the terrorist would react when he started poking fun at their leaders. I don’t see this as being a good foreign policy. If things don’t go his way he gets a chip on his shoulder and that’s when it all goes to hell in a hand basket |
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| Marcia, Bucks County, PA |
April 23rd, 2008 9:50 pm ET Rep. Murphy is the Representative in my district. He is up for re-election in November. I wouldn’t be surprised if his support of Obama will result in his opponent beating him out. |
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| Mr. J |
April 23rd, 2008 10:06 pm ET Over all Lanny has it right. Mr Obama’s people will refuse to look at things clearly no matter how his sarogut spin it. Mr Obama is going to have a hared time the rest of the primarys. Just look at how negative his followers are. I think they see the writing on the wall and can’t believe they couldn’t buy the election. |
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| Ledell |
April 23rd, 2008 10:16 pm ET Anderson, Why is no one mentioning that Obama closed a 25 Point Gap in the polls? Why aren’t we asking, How did Hillary loose this lead with all of the mud she has slung at Obama? I don’t get it. It appears the blogs and media has shifted to this foolish one sided question. Hillary is the known Democrat, Obama is a new comer. Why was this not a clean sweep for Hillary? Point is most of us just don’t like her. I am sick of her and her campaign. She should drop out rather and drag our party through this. The longer she stays, the less likely we will beat McCain in November. It’s time to take the campaign to the next level. Hillary will ultimately loose, there is no question about it. Unfortunately it appears the lose will come Later than Sooner. |
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| Charles |
April 23rd, 2008 10:17 pm ET Some people keep saying “Why can’t Obama can’t ‘close the deal’ — why can’t he put her away?” WRONG QUESTION. Hillary: RIGHT QUESTION: “Why hasn’t Hillary put away this new guy — who came out of nowhere — long before now? And in Pennsylvania, a state tailor-made for her, why did she only win by 9.4%?” |
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| Harold |
April 23rd, 2008 10:18 pm ET Hey Lanny, SuperDelegates Matter! While Hillary picked up 10 pleadged delegates in PA (congratulations Sen. Clinton) did you noticed over the last 60 days, Obama gained 83 Superdelegates to Clintons 3. So much for Clintons own claim that this was a race about delegates. |
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| Christie |
April 23rd, 2008 10:41 pm ET # 5 is CRAZY!!! I live in PA and I got many phone calls from the Hillary camp!! All negative…so saying that she ran nothing negative about him is a bunch of crap! Oh yes and let’s not forget the the Osama Bin Laden ad that she ran as well!! That is her last resort! I am also a 25 year old white woman, and I support Obama. Also most of my friends and family members support him as well! So the media saying that he basically only won the black vote is wrong there are a lot of white people that support him as well! Hillary needs to give it up! |
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| Linda |
April 23rd, 2008 10:42 pm ET I am from Missouri and yes, Obama did sqeak out a small margin win here. Two large cities and a college town the rest of the whole state(small town blue collar voters) was won by Hillary. |
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| Cynthia, Everson PA |
April 23rd, 2008 10:42 pm ET No attacks from Hillary? I received 5 phone calls from her campain, they were all negative and they are all on my answering machine. I received 6 phone calls from the Obama campain and none of them mentioned any thing about Hillary |
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| Dana |
April 23rd, 2008 10:51 pm ET You know it’s good that Obama declined the upcoming debates he was asked to join. They have already had 20 of them. And if it were to be anything like the last debate where they spent almost half the debate talking about nonsense, what would be the point. Hillary went on that debate and said Obama is absolutely electable and then soon after went back to the same politics questioning his electability. What is with this candidate? She is so contradictory I don’t know what to believe with her. It’s like she is not only throwing the kitchen sink, she is trying to throw the whole house. It seems like she would do anything to win even if it means destroying a fellow member of her own party. And that call that she would obliterate Iran if they attacked Isreal is just OFF!!! This is the first time I had ever voted and in the beginning I would have voted for either Hillary or Obama but now if Hillary won I would rather just stay home because I could not vote for someone I don’t like and there’s no way in HELL I’d vote for Mccain. Her personality turns me off and if it’s true she is taking money from lobbyist then not only will she have to deal with BC trying to impose his policies in the white house, like NAFTA, she will also be beholden to the lobbyist because I doubt they would have given her all that money for nothing. That’s also a shame she is now begging for money. She’s a pretty well to do person. People should be donating money to her because they want to not because she asked. |
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| Dana |
April 23rd, 2008 10:58 pm ET Christine… actually Rep’s what Hillary to win. This has been know since the beginning. But they are expecting Obama to win. |
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| Dori in AZ |
April 23rd, 2008 11:09 pm ET President John F. Kennedy called us to task during his Inaugural Address with, “And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.” That’s Senator Obama’s spirit. Not Hillary’s…. I don’t expect Lanny Davis to change. His friendship and support of the Clintons is what it is. But, many of us are ready for somebody fresher, somebody newer, somebody who isn’t as tainted with the muck that’s smeared all over the politics of modern times. We’re willing to consider that the so called “lack” of experience may be just a DIFFERENT experience. And, that may be a very, very good thing! |
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| Paul |
April 23rd, 2008 11:17 pm ET Charles has ask the question that even AC 360 has failed to ask. What Job is Lanny looking for now in the Clinton’s white house? An old Yale law classmate. Get a life of your own and stop living of the Clintons. What’s your claim to fame? Amazingly Hillary keeps moving the goal post and channging the rules. First MI and FL were not going to count now they should. She said the race was all about the popular votes, then when she realized it wasn’t going her way she said it was about delegates. Now the delegates are drifting to the Obama, so it is now about electibility. The Clinton’s will go any length to be in the white house again. It fulfills a political ambition. This is what this is all about!! I tell ya, when a very good friend of the Clintons , like Bill Richardson, drifts to Obama it says something. |
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| Linda |
April 23rd, 2008 11:20 pm ET Lanny Davis sold his soul to the Clintons a long time ago. Everything he says is suspect. He should pray for forgiveness. What he does is disgraceful and his sins will come back to haunt him. |
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| Brandon |
April 23rd, 2008 11:25 pm ET Obama need to drop out! It’s clear the voters want Hillary Clinton that a fact!! Hillary for 2008 all the way !! God-Bless Hillary ! |
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| soup |
April 23rd, 2008 11:26 pm ET Lanny’s only pondering to his paycheck. He must be paid by the comment and with the amount of slinging here between the two factions he’s going to be rich soon. |
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| Lisa |
April 23rd, 2008 11:44 pm ET The Clinton family has made me question my allegiance to the democrat party. I am seriously thinking that if Mrs. Clinton gets the nomination I will start voting for republicans. I’m from Minnesota and have been a true “blue” dem all my adult life not any more. The Clintons will turn me into an independant. Mrs Clinton is not the answer. The nation is better off with a republican. |
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| TYPICAL WHITE MALE FROM MICHIGAN |
April 23rd, 2008 11:47 pm ET GREAT WORK LENNY — but I could give you 100 reasons or weaknesses of Obama. The first ten would be the CLOSET SKELETONS ALONE. Those SKELETONS are flying out of that closet pretty fast — and how many more will tip-toe out in the coming weeks. I see that GREAT Reverend Wright Ad the Republicans put on T.V. in North Carolina — and Hillary had nothing to do with it. Also in the Detroit News yesterday and today big articles on Reverend Wright and William Ayers. Oh, and that Reverend Wright has been invited by the NAACP to speak at their big event in Downtown Detroit soon. Everyone I hear is talking about Obama and Wright and Ayers. Boy, if we had a re-election here in Michigan Obama would be lucky to get 10%. That is the reason he said NO to Michigan for a re vote. But I hate to say it we Michigan people will not vote for Obama if he is the Democratic Nominee. HE STEPPED RIGHT ON WE MICHIGAN PEOPLE AND RUBBGED US INTO THE GROUND — Thanks Obama — NOW WE PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN COULD TELL YOU ABOUT BEING “BITTER”. |
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| Gloria |
April 24th, 2008 12:55 am ET From North Of The Border. Hey, I hope you guys elect the right person who can save your economy, bring about prosperity and peace. When your ship is sinking, you don’t have the luxury to train the captain. The way we see it from north of your border, so far, you are on course for more of the same. |
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| Omar Khasru |
April 24th, 2008 1:19 am ET Larry’s comment that Hillary did not run any personal attack ads in Pennsylvania is a hoot and slightly disingenuous. Hillary’s ascorbic and stinging attacks are sufficient to surpass these ads. Also, how about the ad with Bin Laden image? I suppose Larry considers it a quaint and run of the mill positive issue oriented message. Give me a break. |
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| anthony,small town NJ |
April 24th, 2008 1:22 am ET How could Obama expect to win the general election,if he loses any two of the following states, NJ,NY, CA,FL, PA,OH,TX, and MI? |
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| rich |
April 24th, 2008 1:22 am ET “5. There were no personal attack ads run by Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania” What about her attacking Obama’s statement about people being bitter over losing their jobs? My guess is you are defining attack as something that is baseless, but your opinion is just a bit skewed if you think she never attack Obama. As for your arguments about the past…Obama, in case you didn’t notice, is not running a typical campaign. Why is it that Clinton can’t close the deal by more than a 20 point margin in any contest other than in Arkansas when Obama has done it 16 times so far!? This is a relevant question as it is what she needs to do in all the remaining 9 contests to just pull even with Obama’s delegate lead!! This country is not a static playing board, Lanny, as much as you’d like to paint it as one. Change is afoot! |
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| rich |
April 24th, 2008 1:25 am ET “1. Hillary Clinton won by 10%” No, 9.2%. There really is nothing magical about 10% except the “double-digits” claim, but since you all seem to be grasping for it, do the right thing mathematically and don’t round your candidates percentage up and your opponents down before taking the difference. It looks pretty weak… |
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| rich |
April 24th, 2008 1:30 am ET “8. Barack Obama has lost these same demographic groups in Massachusetts, Ohio, Texas, California and New Jersey and other major states that Senator Clinton won. There is a factual pattern of his weakness among these demographic groups in virtually every primary state that cannot be disputed.” Yes, Obama would be in bad shape this fall running against a popular democrat with amazing name recognition and nearly identical policies as his own. How that translates to a contest with a Republican with vastly different policies is very much up for dispute. |
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| Obama stop the whining |
April 24th, 2008 1:51 am ET Barack Obama has lost these same demographic groups in Massachusetts, Ohio, Texas, California and New Jersey and other major states that Senator Clinton won. There is a factual pattern of his weakness among these demographic groups in virtually every primary state that cannot be disputed. That is a big loss, if he can’t appeal to the base than the General Election is not Democrat. It wouldn’t be the first time that Massachusetts went republican either. A good portion of the states he won are Red states. Which if you look at the ratio of Republicans verses Democrat in these states chances are they are going to be Republican in the General Election. And you can’t depend on Independents either. So Obama supporters have to ask themselves a question; is he appealing to the Democratic base? These are people who no matter what vote Democrat. Unless of course they don’t like the candidate. Back in 1980 Jimmy Carter I think only got 5 states and Ronald Reagan got the rest. As far as negative ads they are both being negative, which is quite normal for any campaign. To say that they should have a nice campaign is being pussy’s! When an ad comes out questioning a particular issue is not a negative ad. Let’s see heres and ad; Why did Obama sign Dick Cheney’s energy bill? Ya know the one that was made up in secret. When every other Democrat and that was just about everyone didn’t. Now that is an issue, but of course the Obama supporters witl say that is a negative ad. Face it Obama supporters money can’t buy you love! |
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| Sylvia |
April 24th, 2008 2:00 am ET I have been so undecided about who to vote for because I have blocked out constantly any negative things each canidate may have said about each other and focused on the facts. Can you bring some change to all that is happening now? That is what matters. It is the media that blows things up, however I must say with all the things that Mrs. Clinton is saying now, I can not remember what she said she could do for us. All she talks about is Obama this and that. Don’t get me wrong I really liked Mrs. Clinton, but I can not remember why since she barely talks about it anymore. She is so busy trying to instill doubt, until she forgot about instilling faith, what we need to have in her. I wish she would stop so we could make the best choice. While he talks about what he will do and not her, she talks about what he can’t do and not her. The whole thing is about Obama and it is whether his positive out ways his negative. Mrs. Clinton silently has voted for Mr. Obama and doesn’t even know it. |
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| Niliad |
April 24th, 2008 2:11 am ET Michigan and Florida..Obama claims Rules! OK Other Rules: The super delagates have the responsability to choose the candidate that is more qualified, that can win the Presidency! So lets all follow the rules!! and we all know that we can not have a president of the United States of America with the association with Anti-Americans, that his speeches are a continuance of Litanies against America..and elitest that secretly puts down the blue collar workers of America! |
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| obamawillunite |
April 24th, 2008 2:15 am ET What Lanny fails to tell us is what other polls say, if he wants to use Mass. as a reason to question Obama then lets look at some other states head to head. I think we agree these are RED states, but Obama is competing. So go ahead Lanny and say he will never win Texas it never goes Democrat, or Indiana is the redest state it wont go for him. Well you just destroyed your own argument, by the way she is currently losing Michigan! I am sick of the Hillary Spin. Recent Polls I can go on- Hillary is in Statistical ties against McCain in WA, OR and Hawaii, democratic strongholds and Obama is handily winning |
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| Y |
April 24th, 2008 3:30 am ET The Top Ten List if Undisputed Facts Showing Barack Obamas STRENGTHS 1. Obama won over 1 million votes out of 2.3 million votes in Pennsylvania 2. Hillary has been campaigning in Pennsylvania for 16 years, Obama has been campaigning for 16 months. Yet he closed the gap in Pennsylvania and got 45% of the vote. Amazing 3. The $12 million was worth it. 4. The only attack ad against Hillary was on policy. Hillarys attacks against Obama were primarily personal attacks. 5. Obama has won millions of votes in the big states. More votes than the GOP candidates collectively. His ability to win 40% to 67% of the votes in the big states is remarkable. He has never gone below 40% in a big state. Whereas when Hillary loses a big state she loses big, taking as low as 31% of the vote. She has gone as low as 27% in South Carolina. The most she has gotten in a big state win is 57% in New York, her home state. Obama took 40%. Obama won his home state of Illinois with 65%. Hillary only took 33%. Hillary has not gone above 58% in any state except in Arkansas (Clinton Territory). Obama has gotten between 60% to 79% in 16 states. 6. He won Missouri plus three big states. (Big states are states with 10 million people or more) 7. He has won larger percentages of Hillarys demographic than Hillary has won in his. He gets over 90% of the Black vote and takes up to 45%-50% of hers. 8. Hillary has lost the black vote in every state. 9. Its 2008 and Barack Obama is creating a new pattern of politics and hes not dependant on past patterns and trends to determine his victory. He is making political history. 10. Obama will bring the biggest win in Democratic History when he runs against John McCain in the General. John McCain is the best thing that could happen to the Democratic Party. The Republicans dont like him. The superdelegates are not stupiddelegates. They know that the majority of young voters and black voters will disengage in this years political race if Obama is not the Democratic Nominee. He is the one who has brought all the interest and momentum to the race. The excitement of a Black man running is 10 times more exciting for America than an INCUMBENT women running, seeing as there are currently 16 women Senators and only 1 Black Senator in the US Senate. Who has the thicker glass ceiling? |
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| Karl |
April 24th, 2008 3:55 am ET Lanny get your facts straight, we are tired of the same old tired comments. There will be no position for you because your lady is not going to be nominated. You can spin all you want, but this is our time and moment. You cannot fight a movement and this movement for CHANGE will be victorious. |
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| Mandy, CA |
April 24th, 2008 4:06 am ET Good questions, Charles. Why CAN’T Hillary put away Barrack? If she is touting electability as a reason for Super Delegates to support her, they should be asking themselves that question. How can she be electable if she is losing to a Jr Senator who came out of nowhere? |
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| Omar Khasru |
April 24th, 2008 4:07 am ET Lanny’s comment that Hillary did not run any personal attack ads in Pennsylvania is a hoot and slightly disingenuous. Hillary’s ascorbic and stinging attacks are sufficient to surpass these ads. Also, how about the ad with Bin Laden image? I suppose Lanny considers it a quaint and run of the mill positive issue oriented message. Give me a break. |
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| GaryB |
April 24th, 2008 4:29 am ET Lanny, John McCain would like ot thank you for your support. |
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| jonathan |
April 24th, 2008 5:36 am ET response to “can obama seal the deal”: he has been, is, and will. the states clinton has carried have been those in which the inherited machinery, capital, and organization of the former president were strongest and most established [california, ohio, pennslyvania, new york, etc...] of course she would say these are the critical states for a legitimate democratic candidate to carry. she has not built upon this inheritance. all she has been able to do is craft a rhetorical position around the inherent democratic virtue of succeeding in those areas in which she is already supposed to be practically indomitable. despite her distorted rhetoric - which now counts votes from the michigan primary toward her popular vote total - it is now more and more evident that there is nowhere for her to go. she ought to concede. but will she? yes she will. after indiana. obama’s patience has been remarkable. his endurance, discipline, organization, method — all seem to be operating at a clip that clinton cannot keep up with. the so-called blue collar hang up for obama is a farce. clinton has dominated and claimed that territory as her own. the bulk of that vote has gone to her. quote the white blue collar philly suburb resident clinton supporter when asked if he would support obama should he gain the nomination replied, “definitely, without hesitation.” california, ohio, pennslyvania, florida, michigan (to say nothing of the states like kansas, wisconsin, colorado and virginia) will pull heavily democratic once the nominee is determined. i believe, once the dust settles, those states will actually pull more and more heavily toward obama. clinton’s alienated identicon turns out to be a scarecrow. by the way - obama has been as gentlemanly as he could be. dont expect him to be as reserved with mccain. there are significant policy differences to be brought forth. obama will summon the conscience of the nation in opposition to the policies of mccain. we have yet to see obama actually fight politically. all we have seen him do up to this point is be extraordinarily organized, competent, and eloquent. in the general election against mccain we will get to see obama with the gloves off. he respects mccain, but he will not mince words about the sharp differences in position between the two. |
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| dottie |
April 24th, 2008 6:11 am ET hey how is going/? The advisers should note we have:United States which has 52 States instead of 49-50. |
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| ForceBeWithUs |
April 24th, 2008 7:34 am ET These “undisputed facts” are indeed ridiculous, at least some of them, just like most of Senator Clinton’s campaign - the facts are facts, that is, only when they serve the purpose of returning the Clinton Couple to the White House. |
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| Harry926 |
April 24th, 2008 11:06 am ET Let’s talk “popular vote”… that’s what the media keeps saying Obama leads in. BUT last time I checked “caucus” votes are “caucus votes” and can hardly be characterized as “popular votes”… you see popular votes are obtained in elections… you know where you close the curtain and cast a completely free POPULAR VOTE to ELECT a candidate… you see Obama has pulled a fast one… using his neighborhood organizational skills to flood the previously sleepy & archaic caucus system and skew this primary contest… and that’s why he can’t win an election… because you don’t get to overwhelm an election booth with 125 hard core left wing moveon.org zealots… the poor voter gets to draw the curtain & vote their FREE mind… 125 - 20 something Obama political operatives can’t follow you in and cajole you into CHOOSING Obama. That’s right you CHOOSE a candidate at caucus… and people are subject to peer pressure & political correctness… that’s right folks…. Obama leads the CHOSEN VOTE… & HAS LOST EVERY ELECTION IN EVERY MAJOR STATE… except Illinois (his home state) Taxxachusetts so stop it media/Obama operative! Quit citing his lead in popular votes because its a BIG LIE. p.s. I wonder if CNN will censor(moderate..hehe) this post too? |
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| Roberta Marshall |
April 24th, 2008 4:40 pm ET mind you folks, negative + negative = positive |
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| Natalee |
April 24th, 2008 5:42 pm ET I can’t help but think that the television pundits are shortchanging the US electorate in, among other things, their description of them. I confess, I have never lived in the US so I may be totally out in left field here. But surely, to take issue with one commentator, people are not afraid of Barack Obama because they have never elected a “black” president before. What do you suppose his mother and grand parents taught him? What kind of reasoning and other skills did your elite educational institutions impart to him? Is it the fact that he’d left the country before he was 10 that frightens people? His name? What kind of vodoo do you suppose was instilled in him to cause people to feel they have to fear him because of his “race”…or more accurately races? This is really incredible. Perhaps what the commentator really meant to say was people are cautious (rather than fearful) because they don’t know enough about him and they think he is inexperienced. That would make a bit more sense. |
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| David |
April 24th, 2008 7:55 pm ET Barak Obama is the choice of the vast majority of African-Americans because of his skin color. To choose a candidate for any reason no matter how illogical is the right of each American. The Clintons have done more for African-Americans and there quest for true equality yet primal racial identification or a naive longing for a transcendental figure to save us from ourselves seems to have blinded them to there own self-interest. If Obama wins the nomination and the election, he will become another Jimmy Carter. A president who held the high hopes of a dispirited nation in his hands only to drop the ball because he was hopelessly out of touch with the realities of modern politics. Obama, like Carter, will inherit a democratic majority in the Congress only to squander that advantage and achieve next to nothing due to lack of experience. Moreover, that sad fact will propel us into another 10 or 15 years of republican mismanagement, greed and stagnation. |
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| Mike, McLean, VA |
April 24th, 2008 7:56 pm ET I was stunned to find out that many of the people who voted for Obama in Northern VA were prominent republicans who showed up at the polls. (Unfortunately you do not need to be registered as a democrat to vote. ) The argument cuts both ways that on one hand, Obama has attracted a republican contingency or on the other hand some republicans preferred to support the candidate that would not win against McCain. I am distressed by many of the caustic comments above which seem to me to be childish. Who was more negative in the campaign is outside the issue. The decisive issue who has workable solutions to our country’s ills. I believe that Hillary Clinton has done the homework and Obama, while very charming, is still wrapped up in academic theories. I am also worried about the fact that he does not understand investments, never saved money (despite the income of over a million a year that he shares with his wife), and might be equally foolish with the budget of the American people. |
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| Tricia- NH |
April 24th, 2008 9:47 pm ET Hillary won PA. Regardless of personal opinion or the belief in “unfair tactics” by one side or the other-she won. She was outspent by alot, she won by alot, and about her-we know alot. What do we know about Obama? Very little. His flame is flickering and people are having a hard time coping. Hillary is the best candidate to go up against McCain. You can tell that by the debates. When given an uncomfortable question that she’s unprepared for-she gives an answer. She doesn’t stutter and stammer and pray for a script-she answers. She is a fighter and stands up for those that can’t. Obama stands up as long as there’s a teleprompter within eye range. Give her a break folks! She does have what it takes and will do great things for this country! Give her the credit she deserves-she won PA-accept it and move on. Go Hillary! |
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| Julia Morgan |
April 24th, 2008 10:47 pm ET I am a Black American woman who is 65 years of age. I am a registered Democrat. I look at CNN all the time and other 24/7 news |
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| Mary |
April 24th, 2008 10:52 pm ET Obama … I don’t trust Hilary… if she get the nomination.. I am voting for John Mchain… |
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| Laura Schneider, Theodore, AL |
April 24th, 2008 11:49 pm ET Finally, someone is talking sense! The media, being infatuated with Obama, did not do their jobs and begin to properly vet him until over half the primaries were over. Since then, there has been a drip, drip, drip of questionalbe relationships and misstatements — Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Bitter-gate (especially regarding working class whites — “they have anitpathy for those who do not look like them,” which, in context with his statement about his grandmother, “like all whites,” was racist, really raises as much concern as his obvious disdain for white people’s religion and leisure activities), Michelle’s newly discovered pride in America, etc. I read the full sermons that Rev. Wright’s sound bites were taken from, which proved to me that the sound bites were as bad or worse in context than out. Obama sat in the pew for 20 years with his wife and with his two daughters listening to this propaganda. Now Rev. Wright has come out of the closet to defend himself via the interview with Bill Moyers and give additional public speeches. God Bless him! Wright may be well on his way to becoming Hillary’s best friend. His remarks during that interview saying that Obama was “a politician” and “said what he had to say” [to get votes] certainly doesn’t jive with Obama’s “new kind of politics” wherein he is above such matters and will unite all of us — you know, blacks, other minorities and us racist whites (like myself and others who participated in Civil Rights demonstrations, etc.). The way Obama handles adversity is a greater indicator of why he is not ready than any other argument. He cannot close the deal. His campaign using the media and surrogates to pressure Hillary to quit is also a lesson he learned from someone else when he ran for his first state office — the Palmer incident. During the PA debate, he was obviously peeved at the quetions and was unable to respond to them in such a way as to “put them to bed.” Rather, he attacked the questioner. The ABC debate was the first time the media did not give him a free pass and feed him opportunities to state his talking points and even correct his misstatements for him during the debate.. His response was to accuse Hillary and George Stephanopoulos of collusion. After such a poor performance at that debate, how can anyone feel confident in his ability to go against John McCain? John McCain — a war hero with national security and military credentials, 25 years of experience in the Congress — against Obama — three years in his first national office wherein he was elected without a serious opponent and has not yet had to run for re-election, no miliary experience. The present votes in the state senate and his absence from the U.S. Senate when the vote on Iran was cast indicates a hesistancy to commit on controversial issues. Yes, that’s right! The OTHER vote he chastised Hillary for that wasn’t important enough to him to show up for. Obama cannot stand up to the Republican smear machine. Hillary already has. Obama is not resilient like Hillary. He is not a “fighter” like Hillary is — he show considerable distaste and disdain for debate quetions which challenge his positions or personal traits. While he is giving eloquent, lofty speeches written by the likes of Ted Sorenson (Jack Kennedy’s famous speech writer), his campaign is conducting the nastiest and most negative of attacks on Hillary. Then he complains about how negative Hillary is when she brings up one of his faults. North Carolina may be very revealing. I understand the state Republican party intends to run some 527-type smear ads in spite of McCain’s and the RNC’s objections. I think Obama is about to be introduced to a small taste of what the general will be like. Barack, my dear, welcome to swift-boating — I hope you enjoy drowning in your mistakes, because the Republicans and their 527s are chomping at the bit to start slinging mud the likes of which you apparently have not stopped to even begin to imagine. Cum ba ya is not in their playbook. He isn’t ready. He isn’t ready. He isn’t ready. I’m sure that’s what Hillary was thinking when she was forced to say “Yes! Yes! Yes!” during the debate to preserve party unity. The Republican smear machine will eat him alive. If he is nominated, John McCain will be in the White House on January 29, 2009. Hillary can win. Eight years from now, after he has had a little more experience, which he disdainfully refers to as “boiling all the hope out of him,” he may have sufficiently matured, in a political sense, to run again. The stakes are too high for our country right now. We need someone who knows what they are doing during the “fierce urgency of now.”. |
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| Rodney, Brooklyn, NY |
April 25th, 2008 2:00 am ET I think it’s a waste of time responding to Lanny. It’s real nonesense and previous bloggers have already addressed that. However, I wish to point out ( and a few persons have made this observation) that Barack Obama doesn’t have a problem with blue collar workers or older white women. The fact is they have a problem. They are more likely to be ill-informed and consequently unwilling to embrace change. But life is a dynamic process and change is inevitable. Barack’s messagee is simple. You must create the right environment to bring about certain changes. You can have the best plans and programs but if that catalyst isn’t there they will continue to be just fancy sounding plans, like those for rebuilding New Orleans, creating jobs, health care and the list goes on. |
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