Comments on: David Gergen: A Clinton campaign without Mark Penn http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/ Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:00:12 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Andy Wilson NY Voting Expat in Dom Rep http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105370 Andy Wilson NY Voting Expat in Dom Rep Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:28:18 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105370 "Be honest about what you see, get out of the way and let the story reveal itself." Anderson Cooper. David, wise words and a standard I generally expect of you - you failed me today. "Be honest about what you see, get out of the way and let the story reveal itself." Anderson Cooper. David, wise words and a standard I generally expect of you – you failed me today.

]]> By: Georgia http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105358 Georgia Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:25:41 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105358 I have to laugh when I read these comments lambasting Mr. Gergen's overt preference for Senator Clinton. When did the media hang up their personal political biases and go neutral? And when did the public condone that act? Wouldn't it be much more honest if political pundits, commentators, even reporters spoke honestly about their picks for the nominees? That way, we as viewers/readers/listeners wouldn't have to jump down their throats everytime the slighest hint of preference surfaced in their dialogues. Just a thought. I have to laugh when I read these comments lambasting Mr. Gergen's overt preference for Senator Clinton. When did the media hang up their personal political biases and go neutral? And when did the public condone that act? Wouldn't it be much more honest if political pundits, commentators, even reporters spoke honestly about their picks for the nominees? That way, we as viewers/readers/listeners wouldn't have to jump down their throats everytime the slighest hint of preference surfaced in their dialogues. Just a thought.

]]> By: Shannon from Washington http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105351 Shannon from Washington Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:23:51 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105351 Personally, I have seen no evidence of Hillary's ability to manage her campaign let alone the country. I think this presents much more serious issues than the Canadians did with Barack Obama, in that Hillary has continually made poor decisions and this is another example. Barack IMMEDIATELY corrected the error in his campaign. There is no way that he would be "Swift-Boated". Hillary not only has been shown vunerable, she has been shown unable to respond effectively to these hiccups. She definitely hasn't responded in any substantial way to any of these issues. How would she EVER last in a General Election? Personally, I have seen no evidence of Hillary's ability to manage her campaign let alone the country. I think this presents much more serious issues than the Canadians did with Barack Obama, in that Hillary has continually made poor decisions and this is another example. Barack IMMEDIATELY corrected the error in his campaign. There is no way that he would be "Swift-Boated". Hillary not only has been shown vunerable, she has been shown unable to respond effectively to these hiccups. She definitely hasn't responded in any substantial way to any of these issues. How would she EVER last in a General Election?

]]> By: WILLIS http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105336 WILLIS Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:18:09 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105336 This is all one big trick -- Hillary knew about the negotiations with the Columbians well in advance! The only mistake here is that Penn got caught! He will be the fall guy on this one. Also, Penn is not going anywhere, he is being used for covert operations and will still be dictating the campaign. Camp Hillary did the same thing with the Canadians during the Ohio primary and Obama got blamed for it when it the Clintons! Do the math -- why would Penn jeopardize $10 million that he is earning from Hillary for a fee of $300,000 with the Colombians? It does not compute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This campaign is about numbers (delegates, popular vote, money, etc) -- always numbers -- so don't lose focus. This is all one big trick - Hillary knew about the negotiations with the Columbians well in advance! The only mistake here is that Penn got caught! He will be the fall guy on this one. Also, Penn is not going anywhere, he is being used for covert operations and will still be dictating the campaign.

Camp Hillary did the same thing with the Canadians during the Ohio primary and Obama got blamed for it when it the Clintons!

Do the math - why would Penn jeopardize $10 million that he is earning from Hillary for a fee of $300,000 with the Colombians? It does not compute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This campaign is about numbers (delegates, popular vote, money, etc) - always numbers - so don't lose focus.

]]> By: gary mitchell http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105326 gary mitchell Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:11:28 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105326 At this rate Hillary may need Bill to open the door for her in Denver. What a sorry state of affairs (only a slight pun intended) if it should actually come to that. At this rate Hillary may need Bill to open the door for her in Denver. What a sorry state of affairs (only a slight pun intended) if it should actually come to that.

]]> By: Annie Kate http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105314 Annie Kate Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:04:42 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105314 I haven't thought the campaign was that negative; I've seen worse where the candidates actually slung mud - this one has been more the supporters and the media than the candidates. If the Clintons have some things that voters need to know about Obama there should be a way to release the information without it appearing negative - if the information is true voters need to know about it. McCain has run a very respectful campaign so far and even though the Democratic candidates haven't been that negative they still have a far piece to go to have the same classiness that McCain has shown so far. <a href="http://anniekatec.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Annie Kate</a> Birmingham AL I haven't thought the campaign was that negative; I've seen worse where the candidates actually slung mud – this one has been more the supporters and the media than the candidates.

If the Clintons have some things that voters need to know about Obama there should be a way to release the information without it appearing negative – if the information is true voters need to know about it.

McCain has run a very respectful campaign so far and even though the Democratic candidates haven't been that negative they still have a far piece to go to have the same classiness that McCain has shown so far.

Annie Kate
Birmingham AL

]]> By: karela http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105284 karela Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:56:55 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105284 I'm surprised that David Gergen would offer the Obama team with Canada, incorrect, story again. When the actual notes of that informal meeting were shown, it was established that nothing was said in private that was different then Obama's public stance on NAFTA, i.e. need to renegotiate in specific areas. But we do now know that the Clinton team actually did contact the Canadians and tell them not to worry about NAFTA but to take the Clinton political rhetoric with a "grain of salt." The prime minister's top aide said this in a room full of reporters for Pete sake. I'm surprised that David Gergen would offer the Obama team with Canada, incorrect, story again. When the actual notes of that informal meeting were shown, it was established that nothing was said in private that was different then Obama's public stance on NAFTA, i.e. need to renegotiate in specific areas. But we do now know that the Clinton team actually did contact the Canadians and tell them not to worry about NAFTA but to take the Clinton political rhetoric with a "grain of salt."

The prime minister's top aide said this in a room full of reporters for Pete sake.

]]> By: Richard Wester http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105266 Richard Wester Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:54:39 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105266 Senator Clinton is a prevaricator, we all know this . She prevaricated to us about landing under fire and running to vehicles . She thinks the American public has cannon fodder for brains. We all know Mr. Penn is not going to leave her campaign. She will do anything to get the nomination Senator Clinton is a prevaricator, we all know this . She prevaricated to us about landing under fire and running to vehicles . She thinks the American public has cannon fodder for brains. We all know Mr. Penn is not going to leave her campaign. She will do anything to get the nomination

]]> By: G. N. Penley http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105221 G. N. Penley Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:45:01 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105221 Hillary is her own problem. Can't make a silk purse out of a sow. (Oops, I forgot the "ear" part.) Hillary is her own problem. Can't make a silk purse out of a sow. (Oops, I forgot the "ear" part.)

]]> By: d.L. http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105190 d.L. Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:41:37 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105190 David, Thank you for being fair and balanced. I am beginning to think those days are gone ...when people in the media are "fair and balanced" Hopefully the will at least try and stay acurate David,
Thank you for being fair and balanced.
I am beginning to think those days are gone ...when people
in the media are "fair and balanced"
Hopefully the will at least try and stay acurate

]]> By: Giselle Evans http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105160 Giselle Evans Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:35:37 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105160 Well, I would like to support whomever the Democratic Nominee is but I absolutely will NOT support a mud-slinging or a backdoor candidate. In that instance, I would rather just sit the election out and deal with McCain as president. I am really disappointed in the Clintons. Not only is a negative primary contest disheartening, it is downright stupid -- unless one wants to see a republican back in the White House. Well, I would like to support whomever the Democratic Nominee is but I absolutely will NOT support a mud-slinging or a backdoor candidate. In that instance, I would rather just sit the election out and deal with McCain as president.

I am really disappointed in the Clintons. Not only is a negative primary contest disheartening, it is downright stupid - unless one wants to see a republican back in the White House.

]]> By: Barry, Ridgewood, NJ http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-105159 Barry, Ridgewood, NJ Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:35:35 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-105159 I hope Mr. Gergen is correct about the public tiring of the negativity - much of it couched in hyperbolic terms like the above "lunged for the jugular" (not to fault you, sir). But, honestly, I don't see it. Negativity, rudeness, and hyperbole are so contagious. Why, just look at some of the comments above. I hope Mr. Gergen is correct about the public tiring of the negativity – much of it couched in hyperbolic terms like the above "lunged for the jugular" (not to fault you, sir). But, honestly, I don't see it.

Negativity, rudeness, and hyperbole are so contagious. Why, just look at some of the comments above.

]]> By: CJ http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-104994 CJ Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:22:32 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-104994 No matter how it is spun, no one can honestly say that the Clintons did not know of Mr Penns back ground. He has worked for them for 16 + years. Truth be known, they were just hoping she would get the democratic nomination before this came to light. No matter how it is spun, no one can honestly say that the Clintons did not know of Mr Penns back ground. He has worked for them for 16 + years. Truth be known, they were just hoping she would get the democratic nomination before this came to light.

]]> By: David http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-104987 David Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:21:58 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-104987 Ordinarily, I think the world of David Gergen. However, comparing the media fabricated NAFTAgate with the very real two-faced personality of Penn and the Clinton campaign is unconscienable (sp?). Gergen should know better. The premise of the comparison is a lie. Ordinarily, I think the world of David Gergen. However, comparing the media fabricated NAFTAgate with the very real two-faced personality of Penn and the Clinton campaign is unconscienable (sp?).

Gergen should know better. The premise of the comparison is a lie.

]]> By: CJ http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-104978 CJ Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:20:10 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-104978 How true is are the reports from Canada that it was Hillary's campaign that contacted the canadian government and stated they were only stumping. Many of my friends from canada that I talk to have stated that this information is well known up there and that it was all over the news media. Is this true? How true is are the reports from Canada that it was Hillary's campaign that contacted the canadian government and stated they were only stumping. Many of my friends from canada that I talk to have stated that this information is well known up there and that it was all over the news media. Is this true?

]]> By: Rita http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-104977 Rita Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:19:47 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-104977 No Canada didn't totally refute the claim . They just said it didn't go down the way it was reported. Hummmmm. Mr Penn is a non- story. Mr Obama's head advisor, Mr Axilrod, also works for a company that advises companys that want to do business with our goverment. Guess we should look a little deeper on that one. It's all nonsence, all these people are not running for President ! It 's all mudding up the waters, when it comes to the issues. No Canada didn't totally refute the claim . They just said it didn't go down the way it was reported. Hummmmm. Mr Penn is a non- story. Mr Obama's head advisor, Mr Axilrod, also works for a company that advises companys that want to do business with our goverment. Guess we should look a little deeper on that one. It's all nonsence, all these people are not running for President ! It 's all mudding up the waters, when it comes to the issues.

]]> By: Alice http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-104912 Alice Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:10:13 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-104912 David: I don't understand why you say the Canadian NAFTA memorandum "properly set off a mini-firestorm" with respect to Obama. That memorandum was de-bunked as false hearsay right after it cost Obama the Ohio primary. In fact, it turned out Hillary's campaign -- not Obama's -- was the one giving assurances to the Canadians. Why doesn't this get more coverage? Alice David: I don't understand why you say the Canadian NAFTA memorandum "properly set off a mini-firestorm" with respect to Obama. That memorandum was de-bunked as false hearsay right after it cost Obama the Ohio primary. In fact, it turned out Hillary's campaign - not Obama's - was the one giving assurances to the Canadians. Why doesn't this get more coverage? Alice

]]> By: Rita http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-104909 Rita Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:09:37 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-104909 Thanks Christine, The polls show that Hillary has got most of the negative media coverage 87 % to 53 %. No, I don't think the Media wants Hillary{a strong women} to be President. Most of the Media stations are owned by people with their own reasons for picking a President. The Media has high-jacked this election like no other. The really good coverage or lack of negative coverage for Obama, shows where they stand. They should have no say, Their suspose to be netural.I've stopped watching Olberman, Hardball, and the likes, because it gets pretty sicking. Hillary is far better to solve the problems we face. Obama has to go through the learning process. At least Hillary has learned a few lessons along the way. And yes, I lke her. Thanks Christine, The polls show that Hillary has got most of the negative media coverage 87 % to 53 %. No, I don't think the Media wants Hillary{a strong women} to be President. Most of the Media stations are owned by people with their own reasons for picking a President. The Media has high-jacked this election like no other. The really good coverage or lack of negative coverage for Obama, shows where they stand. They should have no say, Their suspose to be netural.I've stopped watching Olberman, Hardball, and the likes, because it gets pretty sicking. Hillary is far better to solve the problems we face. Obama has to go through the learning process. At least Hillary has learned a few lessons along the way. And yes, I lke her.

]]> By: Cathy in VT http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-104880 Cathy in VT Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:03:43 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-104880 It sounds like he will still be around in a "demoted" capacity and frankly I think they should have totally cut ties with him, because I think Hillary cannot afford to keep the connection at this point. I agree with David's comments but I think this may very well hurt Hillary in PA when you add it to a situation where the voters appear to be increasingly turned off by Hillary's aggresive "I'm going to win this one way or another" attitude. It sounds like he will still be around in a "demoted" capacity and frankly I think they should have totally cut ties with him, because I think Hillary cannot afford to keep the connection at this point. I agree with David's comments but I think this may very well hurt Hillary in PA when you add it to a situation where the voters appear to be increasingly turned off by Hillary's aggresive "I'm going to win this one way or another" attitude.

]]> By: Mecca http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/07/david-gergen-a-clinton-campaign-without-mark-penn/comment-page-3/#comment-104876 Mecca Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:03:05 +0000 http://cnnac360.wordpress.com/?p=566#comment-104876 Bravo, Christine! I am also sick with the the people on this blog and the media hate for Hillary! Mecca Bravo, Christine! I am also sick with the the people on this blog and the media hate for Hillary!
Mecca

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