The simple fact that either Hillary Clinton, a white woman, or Barack Obama, a black man, will likely be the Democratic nominee for president is fueling a nationwide debate about how sexism and racism may shape this campaign.
At a tea party with members of Columbus, Ohio’s Junior League we posed the question: Is overt sexism more acceptable than overt racism?
Voter Babette Feibel told us, “Sexism of the nature Hillary Clinton is experiencing has been around as kind of an acceptable joke for years. As far as racism, it’s definitely not politically correct or acceptable.”
Hillary Clinton has had to deal with plenty. At a rally, hecklers yelled to her to iron their shirts. Radio host Rush Limbaugh told listeners, “Will this country want to actually watch a woman get older before their eyes on a daily basis?”
MSNBC’s Chris Mathews suggested “the reason she’s a U.S. senator, the reason she’s a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around.”
Hillary Clinton’s hairdos, ankles and even her cleavage have sparked discussion…
| frank R |
February 15th, 2008 12:00 pm ET How in any way can america call this election fair, i am an addict when it comes to cnn i cant get enough of it. but ever since this election started i can not stand to see hillary and obama non stop. its unfair to the other cannidits because they get no air time. it is sick to watch this woman and black man every day, why not give everyone a chance, such as ron paule and huckabe.i dont know hom much longer anyone can stand to see any more of theoe democrats on the stage, |
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| MARILYN KELLY |
February 15th, 2008 12:26 pm ET I HAD BEEN A BARACK SUPPORTER UNTIL LAST WEEK. OVERHEARD AT A FUND-RAISER : ” NOW IT’S TIME TO SHOW WHITEY WHAT A BLACK MAN CAN DO”. lISTENING TO CALL-INS ON CSPAN; ” I LIKE HILLARY, BUT BARACK IS MY BROTHER”. I DON’T THINK THAT’S WHAT MLK WOULD WANT. TOO BAD BLACK SUPER DELEGATES HAVE FORGOTTEN. |
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| April |
February 15th, 2008 12:28 pm ET Sexism is more acceptable because everyone is to some degree sexist. Racism is less acceptable because it effects men. “The kind of offensive behavior that you recognize the minute it begins to unfold can be defended against in a very different way from the way that one has to strategize, to defend against subtle racism.” This is the most ludicrous statement I’ve heard (this week), as if sexism is always as blatent as “Iron my shirts”. Scruggs-Leftwich apparently wouldn’t know sexism if it knocked her in the head. |
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| Arachnae |
February 15th, 2008 12:47 pm ET If you exhibit overt racism, you’re lowlife scum. If you exhibit overt sexism, you’re ‘edgy’. Or you’re a comedian. “Where’s your sense of humor?” Sadly, it’s not just geriatrics spouting this stuff. It’s young men holding up the ‘iron my shirts’ signs. |
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| Susan |
February 15th, 2008 12:48 pm ET Why do we have to keep talking about race and gender? That is what keeps us divided. I guess it keeps a lot of people employed also. We are all members of the same race. It is called the HUMAN RACE. Susan |
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| MANUEL |
February 15th, 2008 12:52 pm ET OBAMA GETS AWAY WITH SOME COMMENTS WHICH WILL HAVE CAUSED OUTRAGE IF HILLARY HAD MADE THOSE COMMENTS. EXAMPLE WAS WHEN OBAMA WAS ASKED WHY BILL CLINTON IS USUALLY REFERED TO AS THE “FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT”. OBAMA ASWERED THAT HE WILL HAVE TO SEE BILL DANCE BEFORE HE CAN CALL HIM A “BROTHER” IF HILLARY HAD MADE THOSES COMMENTS,IT WILL HAVE CAUSED A LOT OF OUTRAGE . IT’S A SHAME THAT AMERICA,LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD HAS NO FEMALE PRESIDENT IN IT’S POLITICAL HISTORY. HOW CAN WE CHAMPION DEMOCRACY WHEN OTHERS FROWN ON SEEING A WOMAN PRESIDENT IN THE WHITE HOUSE? |
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| Jenny |
February 15th, 2008 12:54 pm ET Yes, overt sexism may very well be less damaging than subtle racism, but unfortunately most sexism that we have observed during this campaign has been incredibly subtle. The entire premise of Hillary Clinton’s so-called “divisiveness” and “polarization” stems from the mere fact that she is a woman. She is a strong woman who does not apologize for her positions. She is portrayed as cold and unemotional when in reality she cannot afford to be either warm or emotional and still be taken seriously. This is the sad truth. As Gloria Steinem so astutely observed, Hillary could never run the same type of campaign as did her husband or as does Obama, she would be laughed out of town. She walks a fine line between being considered too “feminine” and, therefore, weak, and being too cold and too harsh. Most people who are filled with Hillary hatred can barely articulate why it is that they hate her in the first place. The bottom line is that powerful women who are not apologetic about their power or intellect make people uncomfortable. Obama’s race is not a small hurdle to overcome in the game of politics that belongs to white men, but in the end Obama is still a man living in a man’s world, and the way in which he and Hillary have been portrayed during this campaign illustrates this very fact |
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| Racism is worse! |
February 15th, 2008 12:55 pm ET As a 45 year old black female, racism is and has been far more offensive than sexism. I am educated with a great career and I have had to deal with both types of discrimination. However, I must admit that I’ve had to deal more with discrimmination issues/attacks (beit subtle or not) as a result of my race than my gender. The first thing that is noticed is the fact that I am black, 2nd thing is that I am a female, my credentials seem to be noticed last. Unfortunately, this is America’s culture although not all Americans play a role. However, because its so degrading, it respresents America as a whole. |
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| paul |
February 15th, 2008 12:58 pm ET I’m glad someone brought this up about race–Obama is playing the race card to the fullest !! If you have any smarts at all - you can hear it in every speech he gives–statements like if his race is lost because of super delegates—-there will be a problem in this country. |
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| Micahel Guinn Ventura,CA |
February 15th, 2008 1:09 pm ET Both Sexism and Racism are equally offensive and un-American. We have two well qualified, highly intelligent, and historical candidates. Because I support Obama does NOT make me a sexist and my friends who support Hillary are NOT racists. |
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| Jeana |
February 15th, 2008 1:12 pm ET Hi Randi, The overt sexism here is disgusting. I am deeply saddened that in the year 2008, there are those in this country who believe they’re better solely for their possession of a penis. Who is raising these boys to believe it is acceptable behavior to tell a woman who is as accomplished as Senator Clinton to “iron my shirt?” For that matter, what makes them think that is an acceptable way to speak to any woman? As to Mr. Limbaugh’s comment “who wants to see a woman grow older,” what are you, twelve? People grow older every day, and that includes you. There aren’t many women out there who appreciate looking at a man who has “let himself go.” When your body, and your hairline, look the way they did when you were 16 years old, then you can complain. Until then, stuff a sock in it. I am 32 years old. I am paid 77 cents to every man’s dollar because I am a woman. I am regarded by many as less intelligent, less capable, prone to histrionics, and less reliable — because I am a woman. I am expected, by virtue of being a woman, to maintain an unrealistic and even dangerous to most of us, standard of beauty — how many grown women do you know who look like some anorexic model or actress? Exactly — we don’t. They look that way because they’re starving, yet that is the standard I am supposed to uphold. The last time my body looked like the current standard of beauty for women in this country, I was twelve years old. When will this stupidity stop? When will we women put our collective foot down and stop accepting this insanity? I read a very well written and interesting book recently that discusses this same topic. It’s titled Perfect Girls, Starving Daughters, by Courtney E. Martin. It’s one I think we all should read. |
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| Cindy |
February 15th, 2008 1:16 pm ET Randy, And it is also very obvious in the work place. Women can do the same job as men and get paid way less. No matter if she does a better job or not. I don’t think it will ever completely go away unfortunately! Cynthia, Covington, Ga. |
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| Valerie |
February 15th, 2008 1:20 pm ET The question itself is kind of disturbing because it promotes that dichotomous viewpoint that exacerbates differences. Why should anyone ever have to pick either position? You do realize that there are does that find both sides of the issue equally offensive, so that the question itself restricts the generalization of the results. |
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| Sparkle |
February 15th, 2008 1:25 pm ET If you don’t think sexism exists at all levels of society, look at the verdict in the case of the man who murdered his pregnant girlfriend: “Jurors found Cutts guilty of aggravated murder for the unlawful termination of Davis’ pregnancy and the aggravated murder of a child under the age of 13. But the jury found him guilty of a lesser murder count in the death of Davis.” Why did the woman’s death matter less? |
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| SUNNY |
February 15th, 2008 1:46 pm ET I thought about her hair the other day and figured that would come up. I have to admit, I favor Hill. Aleast if they pull the troops out, we will see where we stand. We could always send them back. I have always had faith in our troops. |
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| Millie Bea |
February 15th, 2008 1:46 pm ET Imagine being a minority female. Just ask a sexist man how he would react if someone said to his daughter or wife or mother what he had just said to some woman- he won’t give you an honest answer in words- but look at his eyes and face. He knows what he is doing is malicious and wrong. Do the same to a racist and you get, again, not a true verbal answer, but you will get quite an answer from the eyes and face….racist is a taught hatred. It is instilled in young children like milk and cookies. The racist doesn’t know he’s wrong and he doesn’t care if he’s malicious. Racism is much worse any day of the week. |
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| candy |
February 15th, 2008 2:05 pm ET I cant believe this article I just read this makes me sick to say that we as americans say these things in reguards to one another.I dont care whos the next president neither one will change the country.It will never change it hasnt yet and never will.untill we worry about the people in this country and not those of others this country will continue to fail us as a whole.Im tired of the words and comments made by all that are racial.the remarks by our country are digraceful people quit living history and blaming others for your failures period what you make with your life today depends on you.quit blaming others for failing in your life move on and quit yelling racial words against each other.Im sure most feel that blame from long ago but this needs to stop.because I have heard enough of the blame game.that its this and that person whos making your life as it is.take blame for your own choices that is old stories lets live for today.also we are supose to stand as whole but I see some very racial remarks by all race.its not just black or white etc.its not just the white people who are being acused of racial remarks.this goes both ways.if people in general werent racial then why do they still protest and claim stop racial but yet still demostrate that there being racial at the same time.answer that. |
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| Pema Y. |
February 15th, 2008 2:15 pm ET The reason sexism is more overt than racism (although there is plenty of covert sexism), is that it is STILL considered more acceptable. Sexism is deeply, deeply ingrained in human cultures. |
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| Rosemary |
February 15th, 2008 2:16 pm ET Mabel Freeman says that “as bad as sexism is, people died for civil rights.” This is an unbelievable comment. Do Mabel and the likes of Mabel think no woman or girl has ever been murdered (or raped and then murdered) because she was a female? Wake up, Mabel. Sexism is OK because mostly men are in charge, because misogyny is so deeply ingrained in our culture that Mabel doesn’t even know she’s a misogynist. |
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| Doug S |
February 15th, 2008 2:21 pm ET Try adding religion to the list. It seems acceptable to discount a man and make degrading comments about his religious beliefs. However, if similar comments would have been about race or gender they wouldn’t have been tolerated. Why hasn’t the press jumped on this band wagon and cried foul? |
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| Adam |
February 15th, 2008 2:26 pm ET Unfortunately for many woman in the feminist movement there are too many woman who are satisfied with their role as shirt ironers, child raisers and sensitive souls that need manly shielding. Racism is a universal inequity that all african americans believe is unfair and inequitable. Feminism is an ideology of a subgroup of the greater female population. If you don’t belive me go ask those religous muslim woman or home bound traditional wives who admit their role in society is different than mens. |
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| Tina |
February 15th, 2008 2:29 pm ET Sexism is definately more tolerable than racism. Look what happened in South Carolina, when President Clinton compared Obama to Jesse Jackson. There was an uproar from Black Leaders and the black comminuty itself. The stuff that has been said about Hillary Clinton is outrageous. Where is NOW?. They need to come out more publically than they have been and defend Hillary and all women. It’s disgusting to me some of the things have been said about Hillary. Women suffer more with sexism than blacks do with racism. Just pay attention to what’s happening in this election. ALL WOMEN SHOULD BE OUTRAGED. |
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| Carol B., Virginia |
February 15th, 2008 2:42 pm ET The guy with the sign is either an ignorant oaf, or a plant. Some Archie Bunkers wear the label proudly and do so with less humor or charm. Did anyone ask him to stifle?Unfortunately, we will never be able to eradicate overt or covert sexism or racism completely, but we can make efforts to learn about different cultures and social moraes. Still, this topic does seem to be an issue during the campaign season. |
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| Anne E. Brown |
February 15th, 2008 2:43 pm ET Racism and sexism are both equally signs of ignorance. |
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| Ryan |
February 15th, 2008 2:46 pm ET Most Feminist like to say that it is sexist for a male to vote for Obama because he is male and not for Clinton because she is female, but you never hear anyone talking about the fact that is is also sexist for a woman to vote Clinton because she is female and not Obama because he is male. (which is obviously happening) That’s a double standard that i never hear the media talk about, and one that I think the media should address. |
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| Julie |
February 15th, 2008 2:47 pm ET It’s been my experience that being sexist is more acceptable than racism on any level. I think it would be a totally different story if both of the Democratic candidates where white males. I think a lot of people would change their vote and the media would not focus mainly on so much of the superficial aspects. This election is such an important and historical event. Hopefully people will realize how far we’ve come as a nation and how much further we have to go and grow as a people. |
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| Dave S, Tinley Park, IL |
February 15th, 2008 2:56 pm ET It’s pathetic that people can’t get passed the fact that a woman or a black man are running for office. No wonder the rest of the world thinks we’re a bunch of rubes. Witness the ranting of “frank R” (sic) above; “it’s sick to watch this woman and black man every day…” Well, boo hoo! Why’d you have to single out ‘black’ instead of just saying ‘man’? You didn’t say “white woman…” Bet you weren’t calling it unfair when little georgie was handed the keys to the white house—it sure wasn’t because a majority of the country wanted him. And at least get the names correct of the people you’re trying to endorse or better yet, give the keyboard over to someone that can use it. “What hope is there for you and me–if this is our society?” - D Lucas |
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| TJ |
February 15th, 2008 3:01 pm ET Gender-Racism and Race Cards! They both sound the same to me! |
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| Andy |
February 15th, 2008 3:04 pm ET The Obama campaign and many of Obama’s supporters have been very effective in pulling the race card anytime someone (especially the Clintons) have criticized him in any way. The critics always back off because they don’t want to be labeled “racists”. However, the Republicans do not have that fear. John McCain may treat Obama with respect, but the Republican slime machine will use every trick in the book to denegrate Obama, with race being one of them. Before this is over, the Republicans will have white Americans thinking that Barak Obama is no better than O.J. Simpson and John McCain will be elected our next president. |
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| Jimmy for Romney |
February 15th, 2008 3:12 pm ET I’ll tell you the difference between the race card and sex card. Hillary uses her sex card to gain advantage. For instance, she cries on national television, getting people to feel sorry for her.(no offense but a lot of women do this) She also takes the “attack” by Shuster on her daughter and says I am high and mighty and since you offend me with a low count of Sexism, I will not participate on a debate because an employee said something I didn’t like and thought offensive. I’m sorry, but GROW UP!!! Everybody has opinions. I work at a ChickfilA and it was founded by a Christian baptist(they tend to be conservative) . There is a guy in the kitchen with me that is democrat and do you think his opinions reflect the entire organization throughout the nation. NO! The race card however is not being played by Obama. He doesn’t say I am black and I have had to come up out of obscurity and am the minority in the Senate and I fight against opposition all my life. He appeals to voters by his nature without making people feel sorry for you. That is the difference. Hillary really only truly appeals to women and latinos. Yes she has a small white hold but not much. Now she is losing the women vote as demonstrated by the Potomac primaries. That is how it relates in the presidential primary stuff. As pertaining in general, they are two different psychological views. Sexism is based on views of equality. WOMEN ARE NOT EQUAL TO MEN. PERIOD. That doesn’t say one is superior to the other, but in certain areas men have more value and in others women have more value. For instance men are usually stronger physically which means they are superior to women, in general, in that area. Women tend to be kinder, or rather considered more heartfelt to others than men. There are many varying values that make up differences between men and women. With Race, these differences aren’t as extreme from each other, so while races ARE NOT EQUAL, there IS MORE EQUALITY THAN WITH SEXES. Let me explain, Black people are gifted more athletically than men. That is a true fact and not a racist view. If I am not mistaken they have an extra tendon near their achilles or in their thigh that allows for quicker “jerks,” or movements than do other races. We look and have to look at race as a physical comparison. Why? Because the physical appearance is very easy to discern. A Black man is black a White man is white. If you look at the character or the values then you get back into the same issue as with sexism. HOWEVER, we look at race as an issue with appearance or physical capability. You may also say that a women appears different than a man. Well, think of a boy in an Africa tribe just prior to English colonization. He sees girls all the time, meaning they are not new or foreign to him. However when the White man comes, he is puzzled at the appearance, the culture, the values. He doesn’t know anything about them and doesn’t relate to this new physical change. Just like the Aztecs. So Hillary does deserve the blasting she gets because she uses it as a low appeal to get her sex an advantage. She wants to show that women can achieve. Well that is all fine, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES IS FOR!!!! It is to lead a country in a time of need, to repair it, to defend it, and make it grow. She said that “she isn’t part of the solutions business,” but rather she is the “business as usual in Washington.” We don’t need that right now. Every other candidate Huck, Rom, McCA, Paul, and Ob ALL profess to a degree change. She doesn’t want to change anything except the health care and get out of Iraq. The country is in a crisis whether we like it or not. We need a man or woman that will change the country for the good. It’s not about what the media does but what the candidate does. |
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| Madeliene |
February 15th, 2008 3:22 pm ET Sexism is not worse than racism, but if you are a black woman, as I am, racism is ranked higher than sexism. There are men who have problems allowing women to be what they want to be and follow their own heart and mind. This is age old, and I believe that as a society we tolerate it because it is age old. I have been both a target of racism and sexism and neither of them feels good. The both have the same deleterious affects on psyche of a woman. People making these signs and yelling to Hillary Clinton “Iron My Shirt,” shows how ignorant and stupid they are. It shows that they are intimidated that a woman as the intellectual capacity and fortitude to run for president. These men are clearly intimidated and want to strike Hillary down because of their own damaged egos. Hillary is a woman who has a dream of becoming president. She is working at it day and night. Her dream may be realized. Men are going to be jealous of that, but possibly her candidacy can expose modern sexism and help make the playing field more equal. |
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| Andi |
February 15th, 2008 3:23 pm ET The fact that gender is such an issue outrages me. I’m a feminist, but I support Obama. I don’t feel as though I have to support Senator Clinton simply because she’s a woman. However, the fact that she’s a woman should not be used against her. I think sexism and racism are equally disgusting and shows that people just don’t know anything about politics. Its always the superficial characteristics of a candidate being scrutinized, and not where they honestly stand on issues that matter. |
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| Billy |
February 15th, 2008 3:41 pm ET It seems to me that the candidates who suffered from racism and sexism in the Democratic campaign for president are no longer in the race (they were forced out because of the media bias towards coverage of the only “serious” woman and non-white candidates to run in the history of our nation). The term “serious candidate” or “first tier candidate” is a reflection of how media bias comes into play because certainly there have been qualified women and people of color who have sought the office of president but did not get any help from the media in getting their message out. Why should the media and a few wealthy party leaders control who we get to hear and vote for? And as far as Hillary suffering from sexism, she may be but that is not why she will not be the next president. America IS ready to elect a female president. But Hillary isn’t that woman. |
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| mastafa |
February 15th, 2008 3:48 pm ET I believe it is harder to overcome race in this country by gender by a long shot. Growing up with many African-Americans they have to overcome not only their color but a culture of no one expecting them to amount to anything. Suburban white females might have to deal with a few condescending males but they have the support of their families and grow up in supportive environments. Many African-Americans do not have this benefit and overcome tremendous odds just to succeed many times. It is often not looked upon favorably in youth African-American culture to do well in school and succeed. Once again white women do not have to deal with this as much. I’m not saying that sexism isn’t present because it is and I commend both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama for overcome amazing odds to be where they are now. I am just saying that anyone who says its harder to succeed as a woman than an African American needs to take a sociology class or something. |
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| April |
February 15th, 2008 3:49 pm ET It’s not only (some) men who are guilty of sexism. whether overt or subtle. It’s also younger women don’t know what it was like before the Women’s Movement, when women didn’t have the choices we have today. And we wouldn’t have those choices if not for the movement. Sexism still exists, but it’s a lot subtler than it once was. You can discount the buffoons (like Rush) for their outrageous statements, but it’s a lot harder to fight people who don’t recognize sexism when it’s right there in front of your face. |
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| Mary G. Leblanc |
February 15th, 2008 3:55 pm ET Both are equally offensive. However, I doubt there is anyone who thinks that sexism has resulted in the level of discrimination that racism has. In the end, preconceived atitudes may keep some people from voting for Hillary Cinton; but under no circumstances will she be conspired against and perhaps even cheated out of victory. |
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| yvette, from Brooklyn, NY |
February 15th, 2008 3:57 pm ET I, as a Black woman , will never say that sexism is worse that racism. When people see me coming they see black first, then they might acknowledge that I am a woman. Hillary plays the I am a woman card then she throws the race card at Obama in SC. She does not care about her femininity nor does she care about Obama’s Blackness. I mean that the 19th Amendment has been around since 1919 racism isn’t going anywhere because it has been calcified in American institutions. |
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| Praetorian, Ft. Myers, FL |
February 15th, 2008 4:05 pm ET In the America where I live–racism and sexism are not only prohibited by law–but not tolerated period. Yet–we have organizations chartered and designed to serve and protect one gender, or one race? We have leadership caucuses that cultivate secular power bases and cronyist attitudes to support their causes. One American–baloney. We’ve come a long way–but then again, perhaps we haven’t. |
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| SS in Bismarck |
February 15th, 2008 4:21 pm ET AND, exit polls show that men will support ANY MAN over any woman, regardless of experience or qualifications. Most of the televangelists that need a new Rolls for each day of the week speak very well to convince those without hope to send them more of their hard-earned money. |
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| C Perry |
February 15th, 2008 4:35 pm ET Finally, the media is dissecting this issue! I am appalled when Hillary gets slammed over the most standard actions in her campaign; you don’t have to be a Politican Scientist to figure out how the media has been giving Obama a lot of good press and Hillary’s actions, by either she or Bill, is always made to be more negative than it should be. I know its more exciting to have a close race but it seems as if its been crafted by the media. Theres been times, such as in New Hampshire, where they totally wrote off Hillary’s lead, nearly calling her a loser before the voting began - low and behold, she WON! (huh, odd isn’t it?) Why isn’t anyone mentioning Obama is actually HALF black - or have we become too fearful of the “Racist” term to question it. It HAS become more acceptable to be Sexist than to be Racist by far! Also, why isn’t anyone asking what Obama is proposing to CHANGE or what he’s HOPING for?!! He also keeps mentioning he was against the war before it started but he wasn’t in the US Congress to vote. How do we know what he would have actually done if he were given the opportunity and knowing what the rest of Congress knew? Since becoming a US Senator, he has voted FOR appropriations for the war (just like the other Democrats). I agree with McCain in that there’s no substance to Obama’s speeches; “a promise of hope… is a platitude” (paraphrasing him from the speech after the Potomac Primary win). Speaking of the Potomac Primary, Hillary was NOT expected to win from the get-go but after Obama’s win they made it seem like it was a steal. It was TOTALLY expected she would not get the nomination but the media went with the story as some kind of dark horse win. One of the reasons I am a religious AC 360 viewer is the way the facts are presented - all other shows spin and over inflate everything! I hope other Americans realize this & investigate issues on their own. At this point, as an Independent, if Hillary does not win the Democratic nomination, I WILL vote for McCain!! |
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| Michelle |
February 15th, 2008 4:36 pm ET Racism is much harder to overcome than sexism. There’s no question in my mind that we have a woman president in our future and soon. It’s inevidable. A woman polititian will appear who earned her place on her own right, and not riding on the husband’s coat tails. We might not see a black president for a long long time if Obama doesn’t make it this time. |
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| Doug Pierson |
February 15th, 2008 4:48 pm ET Sexism and racism are on par with each other period. This is supposed to be about picking a person to lead our country and stooping to anything outside of issues is frankly S-T-U-P-I-D!!! So Hillary has had some bad times. So have all living beings. Did she bring it on herself. In some cases she has. Why is she seen as being picked on by all of these nasty men? Perhaps because she and her husband have a history of doing the same. I am totally at a loss to explain how we find the lowest common denominator at every election. |
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| Sabrina in Los Angeles |
February 15th, 2008 4:57 pm ET I see both sides of this coin. No one should be held down for trying to aspire to greatness. Also, someone has to be the support in the background; this usually falls to the woman. She bears and raises the children, keeps everything running properly, and cares for the husband (estrogen does that). If a woman is beyond mothering and has the ability and time to pursue higher endevours….so be it. Personally, I feel the man should be the provider and the woman the nurturer…I don’t like it when these roles are reversed. But I don’t mock others if they do. It is all about tollerance. I’m liberal in a lot of aspects, but not in family structure or function, there I am traditional. It was not appropriate that she was heckled. It is not appropriate to bash anyone based on sex, age, race, or religion. Equal Opportunity Employment Law also applies here. Just don’t forget the childen and other responsibilities in the process. |
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| Davis |
February 15th, 2008 5:03 pm ET Going into the primary season(s), I never labeled any of the candidates as white, black, male or female. Both sexism & racism are equally paralyzing to our society, and those that support either have their own personal insecurities to deal with. Please, lets not make it a determining factor in our Presidential bid for the Oval Office. Vote for whom you think will do the best for ALL of us. |
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| FAUSTINA |
February 15th, 2008 5:09 pm ET HILLARY WILL WIN OHIO 65 PERCENT TO 35 PERCENT OBAMA. EMPTY PROMISES DON’T PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE. GO HILLARY. |
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| Tammy |
February 15th, 2008 5:20 pm ET I’m a woman, and I find the Junior League Tea an offensive stereotypical relic of the past where women were supposed to stay home, join the Junior League to feel good about themselves and gripe about their spouses and maids and nannies, and be the perfect executive wife and soccer mom. Bleh. I’m sorry. My mom and aunts and grandma and other women like them worked too hard to change the image of women in 1960’s to have this be the group you ask about sexism. Why didn’t you interview a group of women who belonged to an engineering society or business professional organization? Ask women MD’s and PhD’s who’ve survived being part of a minority in their profession. I can tell you what sexism is about at the doctoral level (been there, done that). Ask a female attorney like Hillary Clinton who had to work for every single thing she’s gotten. Interview women in New Orleans gutting out molded drywall or working an inner city HIV treatment program. Sexism is worse than racism because sexism is still perceived as being ok. Women being airheads and sluts is still perceived as being ok. Women being beaten and raped and killed is still seen as ok (look at the law and the news and how women are still treated). We as a nation allow it to happen. We don’t stand up as women for ourselves. How can we expect others to treat us with the equal dignity and respect we deserve if we don’t respect ourselves? And how can we ever expect a woman president to be taken seriously? |
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| Khalil |
February 15th, 2008 5:22 pm ET Its monumental that a white woman and a black man are running for president, in the same year no less! BUT……… Let’s not get carried away. People are talking about Clinton and her being a woman, which is special, but if women in America wanted a female president that badly, they would’ve forced someone’s hand being how women make up a majority of the population. Now, Obama………. A black man could be the president, I don’t even think Dr. King thought this day would’ve come, not to mention that racism is much more prevalent in American society than sexism is. Obama goes against every grain in the political structure you possibly could in his quest for the nomination. But, it’s important to look at the overall picture, who’s the better candidate??? OBAMA! Read the issues and make the best judgment you can based on your feelings and working knowledge of the political system. |
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| Maureen J |
February 15th, 2008 5:27 pm ET I agree with Gloria Steinem when she says that “gender is the most restricting force in America.” The most recent statistics from the US Census Bureau, The Bureau of Labor Statistics and the National Center for Education Statitstics, all show that even today, a woman with a Masters Degree makes only 72% of the annual salary made by a similarly educated male. |
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| Linda |
February 15th, 2008 5:48 pm ET In the 1870s, civil rights leaders were trying to get blacks the right to vote and for women to get the vote. Men decided then that it was much more important for black men to get the vote than for women. Women could wait for a little while. So women backed the men, and black men won the right to vote on Feb 3, 1870. (15th amendment) Women had to wait until Aug 18, 1920 to vote, a delay of 50 years. Now I think it’s the turn of blacks to wait; let the women get elected to the presidency now, and black men can wait for 50 more years. Only fair! |
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| Desire |
February 15th, 2008 6:04 pm ET I think that sexism is as bad as racism. But I also disgrace all kind of Flip-Flaps, specially if they are named super-delegates. How can we trust people which just recently where committed to Clinton and suddenly switch to Obama. Are they sexist or racist ? Or are they just calculating for themselves. |
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| Cynthia Gottfredson, Laguna Niguel, CA |
February 15th, 2008 7:17 pm ET Neither should be the case, America will be ready for a Woman President. Just look at the current list of Women leaders. Currently there are 18 women leaders: see link: http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Current-Women-Leaders.htm Mrs. Clinton will be one of 19 (Current) World woman leaders!!!!! |
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| Lilibeth |
February 15th, 2008 7:47 pm ET Randi, sexism is not less offensive than racism; it’s equally offensive. Anytime someone is degraded for whatever reason, by virtue of their gender, skin color, age, religion, weight, height, etc., it’s offensive. There’s no excuse for behavior that disgraces another human being. Period. Lilibeth |
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| Annz |
February 15th, 2008 7:53 pm ET Seems many people think racism is worse. I guess that depends on whether or not you are a female. Actually, I see it as pretty much the same. You’re putting someone down, and holding them there, either way. Personally, I think it’s time to bring in a woman president. Men haven’t done such a good job, so we couldn’t be worse off. Look at the countries that are now led by women. And they come in every color, don’t they! Annz |
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| Marie |
February 15th, 2008 7:56 pm ET I find it a bit confusing when various “experts” and African American politicians have stated that phrases used by Bill Clinton are code for racist remarks. Yet I recall Obama giving a speech to a mostly black audience in SC where he used the phrases “Hoodwinked” and “Bamboozled”. Wouldn’t this be considered racist too, or doesn’t it matter if it comes from Obama? It’s a sad commentary that nearly every news outlet speaks of Bill Clinton’s racist remarks and Hillary’s tears, cackle, etc. I wonder how much the voters would actually be affected if they didn’t hear these type of remarks from nearly every news source. |
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| Liz in Canandaigua |
February 15th, 2008 8:38 pm ET Barack Obama made the comment today and said in a patronizing way that Clinton was “down” and therefore has to attack. It was said in such a dismissive way and clearly implied that she was depressed and/or emotional and should be seen as rather a pathetic woman who was desperate, thus discounting any truth. Apparently a woman cannot take a challenging, assertive position. Clinton clearly can’t call into question anything about Obama without being seeing as a rascist or as a pathetic emotional woman. I, for one, who had really liked Obama have been turned off by his statements such as this one or that Clinton is “likable enough”. |
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| Kathy |
February 15th, 2008 9:17 pm ET So I’m being sexist against myself, becaused I voted for Obama??? I am a feminist: Feminism gives women choices. I have exercised my right to choose: I choose OBAMA |
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| Susan |
February 15th, 2008 9:42 pm ET Being a white woman I have not experienced racism. Sexism I know of first hand. It would seem to me, by reading the many blogs of black women, that racism is far more hurtful and blatant. I would argue however that sexism is far more universal on the global scale and acceptable. Using the “N” word could get you in BIG trouble while the “B” word has become more acceptable and seemingly less offensive. Neither should be tolerated. The other day I heard a news commentator refer to Hillary Clinton’s college nickname as “the frigidaire”, and then snicker. It was demeaning. I don’t think that they would’ve tried to report that Obama’s college nickname was “cotton-head” or something and gotten away with it. It would’ve been regarded as a racial slant, and rightfully so. We even refer to Hillary Clinton as “Hillary”, whereas Obama is not often referred to as Barak in the media. It would be less politically acceptable, less manly. In the world apartite is no longer a tolerated entity. Slavery is not acceptable. But in many places, still, women are the property of men. Forced to be sexual slaves, house slaves, sold into marriages, stoned for infidelity, forced to wear burkhas as covers, unable to drive, hold jobs or leave their house without men. I would hazard a guess that there have been far fewer women leaders of ANY color than black men. In the context of our current political situation it may not have much bearing, but for the world as a whole it would seem to me that sexism is alive and well and in no worry of disappearing. Racism seems to be associated with far more guilt and may therefore be the first ‘ism’ to fall. Getting rid of one of them would certainly be a good first start. |
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| Susan |
February 15th, 2008 9:55 pm ET On the global front as well, I understand that when Vladimir Putin was asked to comment upon having Hillary Clinton as president he remarked that we should elect someone as a leader that at least “had a head” (presumably he meant brain). He didn’t comment upon Mr. Obamas intelligence. Presumably because he is a man. I can only suspect that Mr. Putin was referring to the much circulated “fact” that all blondes are dumb? Well, I’m certainly glad that I am a brunette. Now, that’s sexist, and, unfortunately, quite acceptable. |
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| Paula |
February 15th, 2008 10:20 pm ET I think both are offensive but sexism is better tolerated from women and men. I think women are afraid to find it offensive or they will be called a feminist or overly sensitive. I don’t know a women alive that can honestly say she hasn’t encountered it on some level. |
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| Diane N. |
February 15th, 2008 10:24 pm ET To base a decision for vote solely on race or gender is weak. It’s bad enough we have all the parties… Then again if it where more cut and dry and more of a collective effort within a little box it would almost seem like…well….communism? |
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| Mair Tanybryn |
February 15th, 2008 10:25 pm ET Great show, fascinating. Does the fact that Barack Obama does not share the heritage and struggle of African-Americans brought to America against their will as slaves make a difference? He has been accepted as a ‘brother’, apparently, so does his colour alone trump all else with some voters? |
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| Crystal |
February 15th, 2008 10:25 pm ET As a woman who worked in minority programs for over 10 yrs. I’ve watched African Americans abandon the Clintons who worked so diligently for them in pursuit of a candidate with no experience lining up to elect Obama, because of his race. It makes me consider that I’ve given 10 yrs of my life that I once thought was valued, not only of myself but the people that I served tirelessly is now totally unappreciated. I’m looking for a career change. |
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| luvhill |
February 15th, 2008 10:32 pm ET Anderson, on your Fri night show Sexixm vs. Racism the African American panelist made an assumption that a lot of other people make in this country when they speak of how their forefathers were forced to come to this country. It is true there are a lot of slave descendants in this country, but I think if you were to actually look into the backgrounds and histories of the majority of African Americans in this country, you will find that there are now many fold times more descendants of those who came of their own free will after slavery was abolished from Africa, Jamaica, Haiti, etc. Those people are now riding the African American bandwagon. The descendants of the slaves who were born in this country after slavery are no more African Americans than I am. l do not call myself an Irish American or Dutch American. I was born in and am a citizen of this country, the United States of American. I am an American. Period. |
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| jade |
February 15th, 2008 11:12 pm ET I am Irish, Scottish and Cherokee. The African American Panel member who said that no one else came to America the same way as African Americans did, is not totally correct. Many peoples, the before mentioned, and others such as Chinese were brought into this country as slaves, bond slaves from everything including field hands, labors, miners or white slavery to work in houses of ill repute. I realize what my ancestors went through and it took generations (my parents) to have the first children who went to college. But even though I know this, many Americans of all races forget it. I do not see myself as anything but what I am, an American. An American woman who wants to see her business grow. Since my store is very tied to women’s studies and a powerful women’s base, I get to hear women talking about how demoralized Hillary has been made in the Press, how media only shows her as weak or to run negative stories on her yet they do not take the same aggressive stance on Obama as a candidate. I feel many African Americans are racist. Bill Clinton, with all both Clinton’s have done for them, to say, Bill was being racist, in stating Jesse Jackson beat him in South Carolina was a racial comment is insane. Jesse Jackson did beat him, it’s a fact, no one else beat him. But no one points that out how racist it is to react negatively to it. Reverse racism is alive and well along with sexism. |
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| Rubul |
February 15th, 2008 11:34 pm ET Regarding Anderson Coopers show on race issues in the election tonight - I wish he had invited the opinion of someone knowledgeable on the reasons why latinos and asisan are supporting Senator Clinton more.It is not adequate to have CNN reporters opine on this important issue - after all journalists as a community let down the country when they did not question the Iraq war before it began and the same journalists are not questioning Senator Obamas record on change. Maybe the real reason latinos and asians are voting for Senator Clinton is that forthemthis in not an emotional vote but instead based on a careful consideration of real issues and the candidates record. The youth vote that Senator Obama is receiving is also an emotional vote…I dare say notmany of them have asked for his record on bringing about major change…while Senator Clinton actually worked toward major change in healthcare - THINK ABOUT IT! |
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| Jackie |
February 15th, 2008 11:49 pm ET After watching ‘Race, Gender and Politics’ tonight, it was very disappointing. It was all about race and almost nothing about gender. People want to ignore the sexism in this campaign. |
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| Charles Kaminski |
February 16th, 2008 1:17 am ET To Jane Junn, Duh, It’s Irish in Boston, Pols in Chicago. Dolt. |
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| sabrina |
February 16th, 2008 12:27 pm ET Sexism is definitely more acceptable in society than racism. I think it has something to do with the fact sexism exists in every race to some degree. I also think white guilt plays a role in it to some degree. It is interesting to note that black men were given the right to vote about 30 years before any female of all races. It is not surprising therefore to see that the old white man political establishment which makes up people such as ted kennedy and john kerry, have come out publicly to support Obama; even though it goes against who their constituents have voted for. Ive read articles pointing out that black superdelegates are rethinking voting for hillary because it goes against what who their particular constituents have voted for. It seems a double standard exists in these differences. I also feel that many black people who vote for obama do so as a way to affirm their power because they have experienced so much discrimination based on the color of their skin, which has left them feeling powerless throughout history. This election has been a very transformative experience for all people paying attention to it because it has brought these underlying tensions of race and gender to the surface. The show on anderson cooper regarding race and gender was a good start in discussing how these issues are still prevalent in society, and I hope to see more of them that go a little deeper in the future. |
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| Andrea |
February 16th, 2008 2:44 pm ET I just finished watching the television specia, ‘Race, Gender and Politics’ and you really should rename it to ‘Race and Politics’. Gender was a blurb at the front of the show and even that was insulting - a tea party, please. Also, it is obvious that ‘creative’ editing that was used to get clips from a comment to skew it towards how YOU wanted to see the story play out. The media’s coverage of this primary is a joke, there has been little to no integrity in reporting the candidates or the issues. This is truly shameful and will hurt the American people, even though it may help your ratings. Pathetic. |
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| Ash |
February 16th, 2008 5:56 pm ET Why this History Card out there - First Woman Prez. OR First African-American Prez ? Look at these two candidates outside of gender or race. What are Hillary’s credentials outside of ex-first lady ??? But she has a baggage in the name of Bill Clinton who has a penchant for wheeling and dealing and ready to pounce on any of hapless Moni’s and Pauli’s. Obama Credentials outside of being African-American Leader ?? Has credible record in Illinois. Not much to show as Senator, Only has Hope to give. Change slogan sticks. No extra-baggage, new face and clean slate. Now you see why he is leading ?? . |
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| Stephen |
February 16th, 2008 9:28 pm ET My opinion is this. In the last 40 years white people have be made to feel guilty over the plight of African-Americans. The media and Hollywood have done all they could and still are doing all they can to make the white race people feel that it’s their fault that blacks are falling behind. For this reason I feel that white Americans are wanting to support Obama in an effort to ease their guilt. They think that by voting for a black man they will have lifted any wrong doing they might have done in the past. Even if they personally haven’t done wrong they feel that by voting for Obama will make up for those that did. I think it’s sad that we as a nation went through a time where some were not treated fairly but we can’t change history and voting for someone simply because of race is wrong. A vote will not change the past and we need to elect the person with the most experience. In my Opinion, Obama is not that person. He speaks very well but he lacks the experience. I strongly feel that the next four years are going to be very challenging and we need a President that can lead with confidence. We need a President that has worked with world leaders and can get things done. We as a nation need the most qualified person to lead us into the next four years. |
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| Texasboo |
February 17th, 2008 12:24 am ET Racism is FAR WORSE than Sexism. As a black woman, I feel racism first before sexism…ALWAYS!! So I don’t buy this b.s. that sexism is far worse. case in point, 2 females go missing and it becomes news. Both are pretty and accomplished, 1 white, 1 black. Which one gets the MOST SYMPATHY and news coverage? The media will mount story after story ad nauseum for the white woman missing, complete with candlelight vigils, but the black victim ALWAYS falls by the wayside. Nancy Grace will never devout hour long shows to missing black woman the same with the white victim. But of course the white feminist woman will never own up to it, so this dialogue is pointless. As a black woman who’s lived in both Northern and Southern United States, I can tell you RACISM is WORSE. So posters, please spare me the “sexism is worse than racism” becasue it does not compare, not ever. |
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| Texasboo |
February 17th, 2008 12:26 am ET Asians and Latinos will never support a black candidate becasue they see them as “inferior”. That is the real truth. They see white skin and think, competent. The want to belong so badly that they will forego common sense in the name of being accepted by whites. Sad but true. |
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| Vincent Ruzi |
February 17th, 2008 2:33 am ET What keeps getting wierder about this whole gendr Vs. race issue is that when 90 percent of afro americans vote for and afro american It seems like the issue moves from race and gender to racism. If hillary was a black lady would she of gotten more of the black vote. With all of the fighting for afro americans that the clintons did..They got no respect back……., that`s a Shame what goes around comes around.Hillary`s got my vote.experience mattes………. Vince (So Ca;) |
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| Dwayne Moholitny, Edmonton, Alberta |
February 17th, 2008 1:11 pm ET Hey Randi, |
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| Kathleen Ritch |
February 17th, 2008 2:06 pm ET Both racism and sexism are offensive, and I agree that if I were a black woman I would feel racism is the the worst offender because it would be more personal. However, I’m a white woman so I can afford to have a broader view. We comprise over 50% of the population: that’s over 50% of all races, not just white. For sheer numbers sexism affects more of us than racism, although if seems as a country we tolerate it better. If you make a racist comment you are beyond the pale and excoriated. If you make a sexist comment you are a politcal commentator or comedian making the big bucks — and unfortunately very few of these are held accountable. |
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| Jyothi |
February 17th, 2008 9:13 pm ET No way ! Sexism is not at all more acceptable than racism. I am woman , but I don’t like to get any favortism just because I am a woman. I think it is not the sexism that is in favor of Hillary. It is her husband’s popularity. This is is worse than sexism because people are not looking at her capabilities , but just because she is the wife of their favourite president. |
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| FAUSTINA |
February 18th, 2008 10:30 am ET After decades of fighting for black rights and pushing black agendas, . the black community as a whole has turned their backs on Hillary. A loyal lot they have turned out to be! |
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